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Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD
He flies now? Sure why the hell not.

This show is so bad.

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Not Keyser Soze
Mar 7, 2007

Endless Celestial Sex
I'm starting to get the impression that when writing this arc not whole lot of thought went into what this technology could or could not do.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
Man, I know the big rule of this game is "if you believe it you can achieve it" but goddamn at least before (back in the start of War of Underworld) that whole gimmick was just letting people do kinda minor amazing things like "keep going even after their HP reaches 0" or "your killing intent is so strong it can put a mind whammy on your opponent for a minute" over some fairly normal rules (even if those rules have some kinda Bleach-y bullshit regarding what swords can do). Now we're just throwing everything out the loving window and Kirito can
  • both use and then repair the broken Blue Rose sword even though I could've sworn that one of the explicit consequences of Eugeo turning into the Dragoon a sword and dying last season meant that it was useless
  • kill everyone but not actually kill anyone, just force log them out painlessly... but in a way that left their soul power around
  • ...but only he can use that soul power, not PoH
  • and he can Crazy Diamond PoH into a tree
  • oh and he can just loving fly now, sure. You know at least if he's gonna do that, I feel like it would make more sense to have him turn into his costume from the game where he actually has wings and can fly, not his SAO one.


And the only people bound by any rules whatsoever are now minor characters (which it seems like Alice has been unfortunately downgraded to) that now definitely no longer matter. Sorry everyone else, I guess you can only be important if you have a ghost friend around.

But whatever, I gotta say I got a good lol at the guy just shooting the console to beat the acceleration lock. Man, these Rath guys' entire operation plans suuuucked. Why would you even have an acceleration mode faster than you can observe? I feel like that defeats the purpose of the experiment. Or for that matter, why have an auto-log out for the satellite STLs but not your on-base one? I know the answer is "so the plot can happen and there's a time limit on only Kirito and Asuna", but all I ask is that if you're gonna make some dumb stakes, make them consistently dumb. I mean, telling Kirito his sister and all his other friends' lives are in danger is an equally good (if not even more powerful) motivator than telling him only he and Asuna have a time limit.


e: Also so long to Leafa mattering at all I guess. All her scenes this season were tentacle porn and torture porn, and none of her friends even got to know she helped at all, great job guys.

TwoPair fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Aug 23, 2020

dudermcbrohan
May 14, 2013
to be fair about the ability to crazy diamond vassago, the sword's made from a demon tree. that is a logical ability for it to do

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

The recent plot developments make a little more sense if you stop looking at the show as purely sci-fi and start looking at it as something like Star Wars, where ghosts and mystical powers exist alongside futuristic technology..

I mean, it's still stupid but it's a fun kind of stupid IMO.

kirtar
Sep 11, 2011

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild
Clearly he can do stuff because he is the One taking on Agent Vassago.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

TwoPair posted:

Man, I know the big rule of this game is "if you believe it you can achieve it" but goddamn at least before (back in the start of War of Underworld) that whole gimmick was just letting people do kinda minor amazing things like "keep going even after their HP reaches 0" or "your killing intent is so strong it can put a mind whammy on your opponent for a minute" over some fairly normal rules (even if those rules have some kinda Bleach-y bullshit regarding what swords can do). Now we're just throwing everything out the loving window and Kirito can
  • both use and then repair the broken Blue Rose sword even though I could've sworn that one of the explicit consequences of Eugeo turning into the Dragoon a sword and dying last season meant that it was useless
  • kill everyone but not actually kill anyone, just force log them out painlessly... but in a way that left their soul power around
  • ...but only he can use that soul power, not PoH
  • and he can Crazy Diamond PoH into a tree
  • oh and he can just loving fly now, sure. You know at least if he's gonna do that, I feel like it would make more sense to have him turn into his costume from the game where he actually has wings and can fly, not his SAO one.


And the only people bound by any rules whatsoever are now minor characters (which it seems like Alice has been unfortunately downgraded to) that now definitely no longer matter. Sorry everyone else, I guess you can only be important if you have a ghost friend around.

But whatever, I gotta say I got a good lol at the guy just shooting the console to beat the acceleration lock. Man, these Rath guys' entire operation plans suuuucked. Why would you even have an acceleration mode faster than you can observe? I feel like that defeats the purpose of the experiment. Or for that matter, why have an auto-log out for the satellite STLs but not your on-base one? I know the answer is "so the plot can happen and there's a time limit on only Kirito and Asuna", but all I ask is that if you're gonna make some dumb stakes, make them consistently dumb. I mean, telling Kirito his sister and all his other friends' lives are in danger is an equally good (if not even more powerful) motivator than telling him only he and Asuna have a time limit.


e: Also so long to Leafa mattering at all I guess. All her scenes this season were tentacle porn and torture porn, and none of her friends even got to know she helped at all, great job guys.

The Anime lets say has taken some liberties lol.

They have Acceleration past what they could conceivably monitor because their goal was to view the changes in this civilization over tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years. If not more. They speed it up and then slow it down. to see what's changed.

Can't exactly do that in a reasonable timeframe even with like 10 or 100X


Edit: lmao I actually went to go look it up. Essentially it's just a bandwidth and network speed issue.

quote:

“In the maximum acceleration phase... the FLA rate is a hair above 5,000,000 times. The STLs connected by satellite from the Roppongi branch can’t support that kind of speed, so they should disconnect automatically... but as for Kirigaya-kun and Asuna-san, who are using the STLs in the OceanTurtle...”

Dexo fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Aug 23, 2020

Not Keyser Soze
Mar 7, 2007

Endless Celestial Sex
The stakes seem to be that there's a literal shelf life for the human soul. Like that's a quantifiable thing thing we just know as this story I guess just trips over the meaning of life on it's way to a puerile power fantasy.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Not Keyser Soze posted:

The stakes seem to be that there's a literal shelf life for the human soul. Like that's a quantifiable thing thing we just know as this story I guess just trips over the meaning of life on it's way to a puerile power fantasy.

Of course both the administrator and daddy time-sword were already older than that supposed shelf life, but who needs consistency in your trash power fantasy animes.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Kung Food posted:

Of course both the administrator and daddy time-sword were already older than that supposed shelf life, but who needs consistency in your trash power fantasy animes.

Administrator was, but she also went crazy almost died and then had to split her soul into two pieces to prevent her from completely losing the thread.


Time sword was constantly getting rewrote and having memories removed by the administrator.


Also fun animation lol.


Also how many episodes is this run?

dudermcbrohan
May 14, 2013
eleven, so there's three more eps before it goes back on break

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018

there's another cour to this arc?

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Elephant Parade posted:

there's another cour to this arc?

Nope Alicization is the end of his original web novel run It was finished back in like 2009

His more recent arc he's started which I don't think are being released as web novels is Unital Ring. Which certainly has a premise.

I doubt they go right into animating it.

The books just started coming out in 2018

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

Dexo posted:

His more recent arc he's started which I don't think are being released as web novels is Unital Ring. Which certainly has a premise.
Share with the class, please.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
End of Alicization spoilers and premise of next series spoiler.

Kirito, Asuna, and Alice take on the survival MMO named «Unital Ring»!
One month following Kirito and Asuna's return from «Underworld». Having obtained a physical body in the real world, Alice had joined their midst. However, their peace suddenly came to an end.
"…………Level 1…………"
"I also turned level 1!"
The three of them were suddenly dragged into a mysterious game named «Unital Ring». This was a «Survival MMO» formed by «The Seed» program by fusing all other VRMMO games. Having lost all of his precious equipment at the start of the game, Kirito was left with nothing more than a pair of underwear. Under these dire circumstances, Kirito takes on the «VRMMOSVG» shrouded in mysteries!


It's not a death game at least

Kazy
Oct 23, 2006

0x38: FLOPPY_INTERNAL_ERROR

Kazy posted:

I can't believe I'm saying this but I really hope we get back to Kirito soon, I can't stand 20 episodes of this misery porn bullshit.

I kind of regret this. Show went 10000% full stupid as soon as he came back.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
What the hell kind of magic bullshit allows Kirito to not only save Alice's dragons but also lets him de-age them? Man the show frames it as good, and I guess it's better than death but honestly that's hosed up.

Kazy posted:

I kind of regret this. Show went 10000% full stupid as soon as he came back.

It was like a playground game.
"Nuh uh, you can't beat me because now I can fly and I know all the elements!"
"Well I can fly too, plus I can shoot dark lightning! I cut you in half!"
"My friend Eugeo can help me! And I grew back my legs!"
"Nuh uh, Eugeo was dead, remember?"
"Well his ghost can help me beat you!"

Like, we all made jokes about everything seeming like Bleach earlier on in the tower rush arc, which I guess is kinda accurate because this felt like later Bleach, like when it got bad (or when it got worse, depending on your attitude concerning Bleach). I'm intrigued to see how this all wraps up because while "Kirito and Asuna live together for the rest of their days" is kind of a happy ending, it is left melancholy by the fact that now they're gonna be braindead souldead when they get out of the machine, and I can't imagine that being the real end (I mean, I know it's not, there's more episodes left). Now I just can't figure if it'll be Yui, the dramatic return of Cardinal, or motherfucking Kayaba that'll help them escape from their grim fates. I cannot imagine that Kayaba doesn't appear at some point here.

Also while I'm like 90% sure that getting exploded will give Gabriel a mind gently caress like when Sugou got stabbed through the head with no pain inhibitors, it's kind of hilariously hosed that ultimately his failure means he gets logged out while Kirito gets trapped in a game again. I still can't get over the fact that there's auto logouts for every other character when the FLA activates but not on the STLs on the Ocean Turtle. Like, even if someone passes the brilliant one-key security system, if they know for a fact that the human soul can't handle that poo poo, maybe all the STLs should have that programmed in? Just a thought.

edit: Got a good chuckle out of Administrator popping up on Kirito's Ghost Cheer Squad. "Remember when I tried to kill you and killed your friend? I made you stronger! This is a good thing!"

TwoPair fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Aug 30, 2020

doomisland
Oct 5, 2004

It’s garbage and I love it

Captain France
Aug 3, 2013

doomisland posted:

It’s garbage and I love it

It's really cool, well animated, and loving stupid garbage.

I love it too.

Not Keyser Soze
Mar 7, 2007

Endless Celestial Sex
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ KIRITO TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ had me dying. They brought back the entire cast a second time to talk about how great Kirito is.

It feels like someone watched the climax of Gurren Lagann and learned all the wrong lessons from that fight.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Probably yes.


He was writing this specifically around the time that Gurren Lagann was ending

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
I'm so confused. I thought they were going to shove Alice into the robot. Who was in there, why, and how did he know the scientist woman?

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!

Sindai posted:

I'm so confused. I thought they were going to shove Alice into the robot. Who was in there, why, and how did he know the scientist woman?

It was Kayaba, the original SAO developer, who was the first season's bad guy. I guess. It all makes sense when you don't think about it.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
I'll give this last run of SAO one thing: it's made me audibly groan "noooooooo" in disbelief than any other show I can think of. So stupid.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying

darkgray posted:

It was Kayaba, the original SAO developer, who was the first season's bad guy. I guess. It all makes sense when you don't think about it.
Oh right I knew the name seemed familiar but I was trying to connect it to one of the characters from this season.

Was there any foreshadowing he'd been hiding in the robot earlier?

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!

Sindai posted:

Was there any foreshadowing he'd been hiding in the robot earlier?

I don't know. I guess he was the only character left not to have come back to life in some form, if that logic counts as foreshadowing.

Kazy
Oct 23, 2006

0x38: FLOPPY_INTERNAL_ERROR

Mordja posted:

I'll give this last run of SAO one thing: it's made me audibly groan "noooooooo" in disbelief than any other show I can think of. So stupid.

Just when I thought this show couldn't get any more stupid it somehow one-ups itself. And of course Vasago or whatever his name is, is probably now in the robot and will probably do some stupid-rear end thing that saves Kirito somehow.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Sindai posted:

Oh right I knew the name seemed familiar but I was trying to connect it to one of the characters from this season.

Was there any foreshadowing he'd been hiding in the robot earlier?

His consciousness mysteriously disappeared in season 1 leaving behind a comatose body. What happened to it has been a long standing mystery, so there had to be a Chekhov's developer ghost appear at some point. Guess the author was keeping this one in his pocket this whole time for a literal deus ex machina.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
I have been down on this season so far but this episode had me grinning ear to ear. loving MechaKayaba! A microwave corridor sequence! MechaKayaba using the power of love or whatever to reactivate a robot with a dead battery and full of bullet holes! I love it. Can't wait for Mecha-Cyber-Hitler and Vassago-that-drank-from-the-wrong-Grail to be the true final showdown of the Sword Art Online franchise.

I suppose the Fluctlight Acceleration is accurate because 1 episode in the "real world" has made me thoroughly happier than 10 episodes in Underworld.

Kung Food posted:

His consciousness mysteriously disappeared in season 1 leaving behind a comatose body. What happened to it has been a long standing mystery, so there had to be a Chekhov's developer ghost appear at some point. Guess the author was keeping this one in his pocket this whole time for a literal deus ex machina.

I thought his final brainscan move straight up killed his body?

TwoPair fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Sep 6, 2020

Not Keyser Soze
Mar 7, 2007

Endless Celestial Sex
WHAT! That's not how POWER works. I can't yell at a loving dead 9 volt and then slap it back into a smoke detector for another month of juice! JESUS.


So the end of this episode would have been good if they hadn't introduced this whole concept of loving souls having literal expiration dates. If the stakes had been something deeper and more esoteric like Kirito and Asuna are going to be stuck in the machine world for 300 years and when they log out they will be different people, ancient beings in young bodies and that maybe there's no human precedent for that kind of mental strain. Then maybe you've got a nice bittersweet ending there. But no, next episode is going to be about how to get them out before their Chakra Meter runs out of Sheut and the Valkyries come to install them in Heaven.

EDIT: Asuna can FLY. Why did Kirito have to carry her like a doe-eyed damsel two episodes ago? AAARRRRGH

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

TwoPair posted:

I thought his final brainscan move straight up killed his body?
I honestly don't remember, not that it matters. This is SOA, where poo poo happens because gently caress you, that's why.

Disconnecticus
Oct 21, 2012

Wait, like, actual money?

Not Keyser Soze posted:

That's not how POWER works.

Clearly you're not filled with enough love for the 9 volt battery.

dudermcbrohan
May 14, 2013

Not Keyser Soze posted:


EDIT: Asuna can FLY. Why did Kirito have to carry her like a doe-eyed damsel two episodes ago? AAARRRRGH

sometimes a husband likes to princess carry his wife so she doesn't have to do the effort flying requires

Nullsmack
Dec 7, 2001
Digital apocalypse
If the danger is that their mental hard drive is going to be full then maybe they're going to do something like freeze themselves for 200 years. He's got that ice sword. It'd make more sense than anything else in the past few episodes.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Nullsmack posted:

If the danger is that their mental hard drive is going to be full then maybe they're going to do something like freeze themselves for 200 years. He's got that ice sword. It'd make more sense than anything else in the past few episodes.

And miss out on adventures with his girlfriend/wife in the Underworld?

Lmao

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
So like, we're just gonna skip out on the missing robot and zombie man? Just gonna cut straight to Alice in a full rear end body huh?

Not Keyser Soze
Mar 7, 2007

Endless Celestial Sex
OK so I clearly don't get it.

1. Did they create a meat body for Alice to inhabit? Did they somehow vat grow a body based on a digital image of a program simulating a person?
2. So the whole fluctlight expiration date doesn't matter because they can just erase all those memories and make everything ok?
3. A machine can erase your memories. A MACHINE CAN JUST ERASE A SELECTIVE CLUSTER OF MEMORIES. Are we going to discuss the frighting implications of that?

Kazy
Oct 23, 2006

0x38: FLOPPY_INTERNAL_ERROR

I think they explicitly say that Alice has at least some metal. She talks about her heart bursting in her steel chest or something. Also in the opening her eye is like a camera aperture.

Paper Lion
Dec 14, 2009




i watched the first chunk of episodes of this back when they aired and then saw the first episode of the new ones had the boring kirito is catatonic stuff. im assuming that all ends nice and neatly on episode 13 so he can make the mid season save when things are at their darkest. my question is: why should i care about those 13 episodes? i feel like ill lose nothing skipping ahead to kirito waking up because there will be no narrative tension. a couple of robot soul people will probably die but no one important. is there a klein episode i have to not skip? i like dumb garbage, but skippable dumb garbage is what i find the most offensive.

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Kazy
Oct 23, 2006

0x38: FLOPPY_INTERNAL_ERROR

Kirito didn't wake up till like episode 20.

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