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Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

The Neo-Manderlorians cultists are just completely moronic and dysfunctional.

I mean they’re very clearly looking at the persecutions. Things like the helmet no helmet gap, that’s very similar to made sacrifices to the emperor vs who didn’t and how those groups reconciled.

They are showing comprehensible social dynamics they just aren’t the ones you looking for. That isn’t an absence.

Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Apr 13, 2025

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SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN

Bar Ran Dun posted:

I mean they’re very clearly looking at the persecutions. Things like the helmet no helmet gap, that’s very similar to made sacrifices to the emperor vs who didn’t and how those groups reconciled.

They are showing comprehensible social dynamics they just aren’t the ones you looking for. That isn’t an absence.

I’m not talking about the helmets; those are just analogous to a burqa or whatever.

I’m talking about, like, who’s making all their food and medicine? They’ve ‘retaken Mandalore’ but the entire surface of the planet is glass. They’ve got 25 bounty hunters and a blacksmith.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006
They’re in a setting where travel is basically instantaneous and power generation is effectively infinite. Where the answer to the question what is the mode of production is… whatever the gently caress any given planet decides it to be.

It’s like asking about the economics after they blow the trumpets and the walls come down in Jericho. It’s a different type of story, it’s a new myth of origin. Those aren’t about economics.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Bar Ran Dun posted:

They’re in a setting where travel is basically instantaneous and power generation is effectively infinite. Where the answer to the question what is the mode of production is… whatever the gently caress any given planet decides it to be.

It’s like asking about the economics after they blow the trumpets and the walls come down in Jericho. It’s a different type of story, it’s a new myth of origin. Those aren’t about economics.

Speaking of i really hate how travel seems instantaneous now. I got the sense in ANH that it was at least long enough to settle in for a few hours if not closer to a day or two at least, plus a lot of the EU stuff at least made travel take some time.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Bar Ran Dun posted:

They’re in a setting where travel is basically instantaneous and power generation is effectively infinite. Where the answer to the question what is the mode of production is… whatever the gently caress any given planet decides it to be.

It’s like asking about the economics after they blow the trumpets and the walls come down in Jericho. It’s a different type of story, it’s a new myth of origin. Those aren’t about economics.

Eh I mean…they could still come out and say the equivalent of “and all the believers lived in wonderful harmony, holding everything in common”. You don’t need to go into all the detail for your story to allude to a material basis.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
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feedmyleg posted:

One Boba Fett is in a room is cool. Multiple Boba Fetts in a room are deeply uncool.

This was the problem with Book of Boba Fett. They made having even one Boba Fett in the room uncool.



They made THIS GUY uncool, somehow :(

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



BoBF feels like it was cut down from the original plan when Mando was a huge success

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell

Marsupial Ape posted:

At this point, if they really wanted to flog Mandalorians for content, I'd pitch that Mandalorians are spread all over the galaxy due to constant fighting and migration and (just like the Greeks) you get different populations of Mandos all over with their own schticks and flavors. Maybe you have a diaspora Mandos that don't have access to beskar, so they lean hard into the non-material aspects of their culture, like art, dance, and constantly screaming "Oya, ner vod!" at each other. Show me the Mandos that own farms and only do mercenary work during the winter months. poo poo like that.

Unironically, the Traviss novels do touch on that "farm in summer, war in winter" dichotomy, and the majority of all Mando stories do deal with the fact that no two Mando clans can agree on who they actually are as a people. That goes back as far as Fenn Shysa's appearance in the old Star Wars comics, and it's a central point of the Jango Fett: Open Seasons storyline as well.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006

skasion posted:

Eh I mean…they could still come out and say the equivalent of “and all the believers lived in wonderful harmony, holding everything in common”. You don’t need to go into all the detail for your story to allude to a material basis.

They also did pretty come pretty drat close to that, between the unified chanting at the forge and baptism explicitly attended by everybody.

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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Arc Hammer posted:

Unironically, the Traviss novels do touch on that "farm in summer, war in winter" dichotomy, and the majority of all Mando stories do deal with the fact that no two Mando clans can agree on who they actually are as a people. That goes back as far as Fenn Shysa's appearance in the old Star Wars comics, and it's a central point of the Jango Fett: Open Seasons storyline as well.

Correct. I love all that poo poo.

Also, I'm never gonna give up on these guys getting somehow re-added to canon. The Jensaari would pair really well with the Crossguard Stance as presented in Jedi Survivor.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
Jensaari. Speaking of Janissaries...

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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Brain ping pong: the abducted child soldier army of the First Order is not unlike the Janissarry system. That whole plot point is ripe for storytelling but Disney is so gun shy of the sequel era we’ll never get to explore it.

Seldom Posts
Jul 4, 2010

Grimey Drawer

Bar Ran Dun posted:

They’re in a setting where travel is basically instantaneous and power generation is effectively infinite. Where the answer to the question what is the mode of production is… whatever the gently caress any given planet decides it to be.

It’s like asking about the economics after they blow the trumpets and the walls come down in Jericho. It’s a different type of story, it’s a new myth of origin. Those aren’t about economics.

That's true but the good Star wars movies still clearly have a materialist element about them that makes those concerns important.

In a New Hope, Luke's family appear to be running a small farm where Luke's labour is an important part of their ability to produce. Han his concerned enough about money that he is willing to undertake a risky operation to help a rich person.

Material reality is important to a good Star War.

Chronojam
Feb 20, 2006

This is me on vacation in Amsterdam :)
Never be afraid of being yourself!


FlamingLiberal posted:

BoBF feels like it was cut down from the original plan when Mando was a huge success

Imagine if they purposely made boba fett a massive dumbass, so he wouldn't seem as cool as the marketable new guy

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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I'll be the rear end in a top hat that waves his hand and assumes they send their least weird guy to the grocery story every week two, just like real life cults. Seriously, I would assume that somebody would fly from the hidden compound to an outpost on the fringe of society to buy a bunch of big barrels and crates marked "FOOD" and "MEDICINE" on them.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell

Seldom Posts posted:

Material reality is important to a good Star War.

This is why the Resistance running out of space gas fleeing towards the only planet in a star system while everyone wonders where they're going is so impactful.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001



I still giggle like an idiot at "Babus Frik."

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006

Seldom Posts posted:

Material reality is important to a good Star War.

Yes!

Myths of origin are used to get material support. Material support isn’t about just physical stuff. It’s also about which doors are open. That’s the origin of the phrase “material conditions” it’s actually older than Marx. Material conditions are the actual state of readiness of a ship, especially for damage control, literally which doors are open and shut in the vessel at a given moment.

Myths of origin, are used by groups to support the material conditions for the group in societies.

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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I think it would be cool to introduce a swoop gang/Hell's Angels-esque faction into Star Wars, but I also feel like the Mod Gang from BoBF ruined speeder bike gangs forever.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
Boba Fett killed all the swoop gang dudes with Slave 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urYMjk88FbU

Arc Light
Sep 26, 2013



Chronojam posted:

Imagine if they purposely made boba fett a massive dumbass, so he wouldn't seem as cool as the marketable new guy

Even in the original trilogy, Fett's only accomplishment is tracking the Falcon to Bespin.

The Empire captures Han and gives him to Fett.

Fett then gets clowned on by a blind Han, bounces off a wall, and gets eaten by a giant mouth in the ground.

The coolest thing about Boba Fett was his armor, because the man inside it was a chump.

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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Arc Hammer posted:

Boba Fett killed all the swoop gang dudes with Slave 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urYMjk88FbU

So…you’re telling me there is room for more swoop gangs? I’m going to monkey’s paw Star Wars: Sons of Anarchy into reality, aren’t I?

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell

Marsupial Ape posted:

So…you’re telling me there is room for more swoop gangs? I’m going to monkey’s paw Star Wars: Sons of Anarchy into reality, aren’t I?

No I'm saying that the inevitable outcome of any swoop gang related story should end with Slave 1 flying out of the sun to blow them up.

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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Arc Hammer posted:

No I'm saying that the inevitable outcome of any swoop gang related story should end with Slave 1 flying out of the sun to blow them up.

You're upselling me pretty hard on swoop gangs.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006
That would be amazing. End every season with 100% wipe of all the bikers. Don’t even connect it to the season’s story or particular planet setting.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

In the final season, Boba tracks down and blows up the last swoop factory in the galaxy.

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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Dave Filoni, we all know you lurk here and I give you permission to steal all these gold star ideas.

Butterfly Valley
Apr 19, 2007

I'm well traveled I'll make sure you know

Arc Hammer posted:

Boba Fett killed all the swoop gang dudes with Slave 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urYMjk88FbU

I thought this was a cool scene in a poo poo series but watching it back it's like why the gently caress does the swoop gang not immediately bug out in different directions when they're being shot like fish in a barrel rather than just being like 'welp guess we die now'

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




My favorite part is every actor doing their best 90s Beat Em Up enemy grunt

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 47 hours!

FlamingLiberal posted:

BoBF feels like it was cut down from the original plan when Mando was a huge success

I think someone sold Disney on letting Robert Rodriguez make an El Mariachi miniseries where Boba Fett was El Mariachi, and then after the ink was dry on the contract, Disney panicked, as Disney is want to always do, and just studio noted Rodriguez to death to get him to defang Boba Fett and make him a family friendly hero, so he just threw his hands up and said gently caress it and made a Spy Kids miniseries starring Boba Fett instead.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
Iirc it was greenlit midway through Mando Season 2 production. They'd always wanted to bring Bob back since Season 1 had that stinger at the end of the tattooing episode but the full Boba Fett show was meant to capitalize off of Mando's success.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.

nine-gear crow posted:

I think someone sold Disney on letting Robert Rodriguez make an El Mariachi miniseries where Boba Fett was El Mariachi, and then after the ink was dry on the contract, Disney panicked, as Disney is want to always do, and just studio noted Rodriguez to death to get him to defang Boba Fett and make him a family friendly hero, so he just threw his hands up and said gently caress it and made a Spy Kids miniseries starring Boba Fett instead.

I would've wanted El Mariachi in Space, but Rodriguez these days is only capable of doing Once Upon a Time in Mexico in Space.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell

1st AD posted:

I would've wanted El Mariachi in Space, but Rodriguez these days is only capable of doing Once Upon a Time in Mexico in Space.

I would have gladly taken that.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Arc Hammer posted:

Boba Fett killed all the swoop gang dudes with Slave 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urYMjk88FbU

Never forget he almost lost a fight to the Sarlacc in that ship

Ya know, a creature that doesn't move

At least we got to hear BWAAAAAANG again

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
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https://bsky.app/profile/evanschultheis.bsky.social/post/3lmmvhq6hqk2q

So it is indeed officially the TIE Avenger :haw:

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
Even though he helped out the Alliance, I still have to say "gently caress you, Admiral Harkov" for denying us more time with the objectively best tie fighter ever built.

Rubber Chicken
Mar 13, 2024

[IMG-CHICKEN]
I don't really love the look of that but I didn't play whatever game people apparently love it from


Thrawn's triple wing design is the coolest one I think

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.

Rubber Chicken posted:

I don't really love the look of that but I didn't play whatever game people apparently love it from


Thrawn's triple wing design is the coolest one I think

Both designs are from the same game

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
The Tie Defender is compensating for something. The Missile Boat is straight up overpowered.

Gimme a pair of Avengers flying cover for a Squadron of Assault Gunboats to just obliterate a Rebel convoy.

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Rubber Chicken
Mar 13, 2024

[IMG-CHICKEN]

1st AD posted:

Both designs are from the same game

That's fine but I know it from Rebels

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