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Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Book of Boba is one of the best Star Wars TV shows, it's quirky and offbeat fun. That is my take.

Also I read a thing where he was waiting by the phone to play Boba again during that last Mando season. So, I am rooting for him, more Boba.

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nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 44 hours!

Rubber Chicken posted:

I don't really love the look of that but I didn't play whatever game people apparently love it from


Thrawn's triple wing design is the coolest one I think

It's mostly the same design as the game TIE Avenger, just the angle of the wings is steeper and it's got a chunk of the middle panels cut out, but whatever.



Granted, this version is from a modded version of X-Wing Alliance, but it preceded the Andor version by close to a decade at this point.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 44 hours!

Heavy Metal posted:

Book of Boba is one of the best Star Wars TV shows, it's quirky and offbeat fun. That is my take.

Also I read a thing where he was waiting by the phone to play Boba again during that last Mando season. So, I am rooting for him, more Boba.

"I will rule with respect," says man who just gets comically disrespected by everyone he meets from that point forward.

I legit feel bad for Temura. Book of Boba Fett was like 0% his fault, and Disney being Disney has now decided to unperson Boba Fett from Star Wars because they just bury all their failures and everything even remotely tied to them.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

I read a thingy that says Book of Boba's finale had more viewers than Mandalorian s2's for example. And it's got a 7.something on IMDb. I'm just saying, everyone digs different stuff, but I don't think it's like one of those "we must erase this" things. Plus as we know it feels like almost every Star Wars things gets a backlash of some sort. So I'm just saying, I don't think it is a failure.

Also, I once thumbed through a big shiny hardcover Book of Boba TV show fluff book thingy at Barnes & Noble.

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN

Bar Ran Dun posted:

They’re in a setting where travel is basically instantaneous and power generation is effectively infinite. Where the answer to the question what is the mode of production is… whatever the gently caress any given planet decides it to be.

It’s like asking about the economics after they blow the trumpets and the walls come down in Jericho. It’s a different type of story, it’s a new myth of origin. Those aren’t about economics.

Well hang on; where did you think the trumpets got there? The book of Joshua is very dry and straightforward about this, explaining that Joshua has this huge army that's been razing everything in its path. Rahab The Harlot sees which way the wind is blowing, and betrays Jericho to the invaders because the alternative is a brutal death:

"I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land melt away before you. For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red Sea before you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were beyond the Jordan, unto Sihon and to Og, whom ye utterly destroyed. [...] Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD, since I have dealt kindly with you, that ye also will deal kindly with my father's house - and give me a true token - and save alive my father, and my mother, and my brethren, and my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death."
-Joshua 2: 9-10, 12-13

Such an terrifying army as Joshua's of course needs to be fed, provided water, etc. So the mere mention of the army implies that kind of supply chain. And the well-equipped army - which has now laid siege to Jericho & has been menacing the population for a week - provides a simple explanation for the wall's fall:

"And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the horns, that Joshua said unto the people: 'Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city. And the city shall be devoted, even it and all that is therein, to the LORD; only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.' [...] So the people shouted, and [the priests] blew with the horns. And it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the horn, that the people shouted with a great shout, and the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city."
-Joshua 6: 16-17, 20

The mechanism that topples wall is not the sound of the horns but the action of this mass of armed men. The story describes their action as a collective SHOUT affirming their circular relationship to God, but it's very simple to understand this as a metaphor. By eliding the physical act of smashing the wall, by focusing purely on the army's instantiation of God's will, the invasion of Jericho is made to appear as effortless as shouting. With God on your side, obstacles seem to melt away - allowing you to be chosen, massacre the population, and take all that sweet gold.

If God was doing all the work, after all, why did Joshua need to send the two "messengers" to spy on the city and scout out the area before the invasion? Why need an army?

So, back to Manderlorian: there's no army, and no gold. Not even really a God in there, I'd say. Just a bunch of dorks playing the horn.

SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Apr 14, 2025

mitochondritom
Oct 3, 2010

As cool as Boba Fett is, they should have just not bothered. After they made the Mandalorian what else could they do with him that wouldn't overlap heavily? Oh yeah made him a sad sack crimelord. Either have made the Mandalorian Boba Fett and ditched the awful awful "Mandalorian Lore" stuff or leave Boba Fett in the Sarlacc forever. They tried to have their cake and eat it and made a total hash of it all imo.

Arc Light
Sep 26, 2013



If they had any guts, Disney would have made Fett a genuine murderous villain protagonist instead of a mob boss who doesn't commit crimes. And that would have at least provided some contrast with the honest, honorable protag of The Mandalorian.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill




We knew that a couple months ago when Amazon had a listing for an Andor related t-shirt that had an image of a TIE Fighter pilot helmet with “TIE AVENGER” written underneath it in Aurebesh.

ungulateman
Apr 18, 2012

pretentious fuckwit who isn't half as literate or insightful or clever as he thinks he is

Arc Light posted:

If they had any guts, Disney would have made Fett a genuine murderous villain protagonist instead of a mob boss who doesn't commit crimes. And that would have at least provided some contrast with the honest, honorable protag of The Mandalorian.

i like the idea of boba fett learning how to be a good person from the sand people tbh. it just so happens that the show in which this takes place is very bad

Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.

nine-gear crow posted:

It's mostly the same design as the game TIE Avenger, just the angle of the wings is steeper and it's got a chunk of the middle panels cut out, but whatever.



Granted, this version is from a modded version of X-Wing Alliance, but it preceded the Andor version by close to a decade at this point.

Strong "prototype vs. production model" vibes from these two versions. There's always going to be a bunch of variants of something before they get a final design that they poo poo out 100,000 identical copies of.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
Shame they never made 100,000 identical copies.

loving Harkov.

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
the mod team violated the sancity of my avatar

Arc Hammer posted:

The Tie Defender is compensating for something.

The X-Wing.

SolarFire2
Oct 16, 2001

"You're awefully cute, but unfortunately for you, you're made of meat." - Meat And Sarcasm Guy!

Arc Light posted:

If they had any guts, Disney would have made Fett a genuine murderous villain protagonist instead of a mob boss who doesn't commit crimes. And that would have at least provided some contrast with the honest, honorable protag of The Mandalorian.

Disney went completely off the rails when they decided the woman whose primary motivation is killing and skinning a hundred puppies for a coat is actually cool and good.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell

That's what the Tie Advanced is for!

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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ungulateman posted:

i like the idea of boba fett learning how to be a good person from the sand people tbh. it just so happens that the show in which this takes place is very bad

Instead of trying to shoe-horn more Japanese lore into Star Wars by calling Boba's crime-boss position 'daimyo', they should have gone for a more Big Man angle. Daddy is home and he's gonna make everybody use their inside voices.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

So, back to Manderlorian: there's no army, and no gold. Not even really a God in there, I'd say. Just a bunch of dorks playing the horn.

They show that in previous episodes. They show how the no helmet Mandos have been acquiring wealth (the Romeo / Juliet bounty) and the fleet. They show how the radicals are acquiring people. And God is of course there. I’m mean…

“Not even really a God in there, I'd say.”

What would you call a character having a real vision of what what assumed to be only myth while another character is baptizing themself, resulting in a conversion experience. I mean do you need literal scales to fall from her eyes. That be extremely out of character for how you generally interpret narratives.

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
the mod team violated the sancity of my avatar
The "A More Civilized Age" podcast has finally gotten to the ending of Rebels and talking about all of 'Force Magic' elements of the Mortis family and the Loth wolves. I need to go back and rewatch that last season because the description of the Loth wolves using the grass fields to "backrooms travel" around the planet reminded me of a section of The Golden Bough concerning wolves (and other animals) as grain spirits.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough/The_Corn-Spirit_as_an_Animal

Once again, my one lovely deductive superpower is to know what books Dave Filoni has probably read. TBF, tho, every folk horror movie ever made is a cribbed chapter from The Golden Bough. Frazer was convinced everything used to be human sacrifice based.

Veotax
May 16, 2006


It was really funny listening to the last episode with them being super down on Wolves and a Door because the Mortis painting, thinking the rest of the season was going to be all Mortis bullshit, then they watched like the first two minutes of A World Between Worlds, and seeing that it wasn't Mortis related at all and suddenly getting excited.

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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The Mortis beings should have been a diad instead of a trinity. While the trinity as a spiritual/occult concept is very well established in reality, the Diad has always been at the core of Star Wars myth rules. It’s Light Side/Dark Side, Master and Apprentice, Rule of Two, and Force Twins since the beginning. I prefer a mystical triad, but Star Wars really is an established Dualistic universe and saying there is a Holy Trinity at the top is jarring.

There is maybe a Tales of the Old Republic story in explaining why Force traditions that emphasized Triads were replaced with Diad traditions.

Servetus
Apr 1, 2010
I found it interesting that AMCA immediately jumped to "the wolves are intelligent and have magic powers" and not "Lothal has a world spirit just like Atalon, but it works in different ways than Bendu". Like Ezra bying led to Ryder Azadi by a white Loth cat he had previously seen in his visions was back in season 2.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Marsupial Ape posted:

Instead of trying to shoe-horn more Japanese lore into Star Wars by calling Boba's crime-boss position 'daimyo', they should have gone for a more Big Man angle. Daddy is home and he's gonna make everybody use their inside voices.

Now that I have given you these things, I have won. I have knocked you down by giving so much.

Paper Lion
Dec 14, 2009




Marsupial Ape posted:

The Mortis beings should have been a diad instead of a trinity. While the trinity as a spiritual/occult concept is very well established in reality, the Diad has always been at the core of Star Wars myth rules. It’s Light Side/Dark Side, Master and Apprentice, Rule of Two, and Force Twins since the beginning. I prefer a mystical triad, but Star Wars really is an established Dualistic universe and saying there is a Holy Trinity at the top is jarring.

There is maybe a Tales of the Old Republic story in explaining why Force traditions that emphasized Triads were replaced with Diad traditions.

its a trinity in the service of dyad based taoist concepts though, same as ego/superego/id. there are 3 concepts presented, but the third one is meant to show you the ideal synthesis of your dual nature, its a totem for successful navigation of the dyad and not its own discreet concept in any opposition or allyship to either party of its compromising dyad. youre conflating this taoist trinity with the western trinity, which has 4 parts. if this one were like a western one then thered be like, wife daughter and son with father as the godhead or something

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009



The Execute Order 66 christmas ornament is disappointingly just a Clone Trooper looking at a Sheev hologram.

Rubber Chicken
Mar 13, 2024

[IMG-CHICKEN]
loving burnt pyre helmet for your Christmas tree lol

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
the mod team violated the sancity of my avatar

Paper Lion posted:

youre conflating this taoist trinity with the western trinity, which has 4 parts.

The western trinity, also known as the Baker's Trinity, in common parlance.

edit:
savvy this: the oldest know Force users/tradition are the five Force Priestess, then, later you have a tradition of triads, then you have the current aged of diads. Obviously, as a unitary being, Bendu is the most evolved Force entity in the galaxy.

ediit:

Sash! posted:

Now that I have given you these things, I have won. I have knocked you down by giving so much.
I had not heard of the doc your are referencing: Ongka's Big Moka, so thanks.

Marsupial Ape fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Apr 14, 2025

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Marsupial Ape posted:

I had not heard of the doc your are referencing: Ongka's Big Moka, so thanks.

I had to watch it in college eons ago. It was pretty entertaining on its own.

For anyone that wants to learn more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KELRGAUV0AA

Sash! fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Apr 14, 2025

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?

Veotax posted:

It was really funny listening to the last episode with them being super down on Wolves and a Door because the Mortis painting, thinking the rest of the season was going to be all Mortis bullshit, then they watched like the first two minutes of A World Between Worlds, and seeing that it wasn't Mortis related at all and suddenly getting excited.

Them getting jumpscared by Yoda in second 1 of that episode was incredible.

I really liked Rebels but I can't wait for them to catch that last season of Clone Wars

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Shoehead posted:

Them getting jumpscared by Yoda in second 1 of that episode was incredible.

I really liked Rebels but I can't wait for them to catch that last season of Clone Wars

Pretty sure that's up next after Andor (unless they decide to do KOTOR 2 first).

Captain_Person
Apr 7, 2013

WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?
I wish they spent more time with Rebels, I feel like they wouldn't have been so angry at the episodes if they weren't trying to rush through four episodes at a time just to clear the way for Andor.

Looking forward to hearing their thoughts on the Siege of Mandalore as those are the only interesting episodes of season 7.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



I'm really curious to see what they think of Bad Batch. I feel like they won't have nearly as much to grab onto and interrogate as they have for the other shows (particularly after season 1).

Having said that they'll probably release a four hour pod about the loving pod racing episode alone.

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
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They may not be able to survive all the positive uncle vibes.

Jehde
Apr 21, 2010

stev posted:

I'm really curious to see what they think of Bad Batch. I feel like they won't have nearly as much to grab onto and interrogate as they have for the other shows (particularly after season 1).

Having said that they'll probably release a four hour pod about the loving pod racing episode alone.

Ahem, do you mean riot racing? :crossarms:

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Andor Season 2 Spoilers from this TV Line interview

https://tvline.com/interviews/andor-denise-gough-season-2-dedra-mission-syril-relationship-1235435287/

quote:

Oh, did we mention that Dedra and Syril now share a Coruscant flat? Where they sometimes have Syril’s mom, Eedy (scene stealer Kathryn Hunter), over for dinner? So, are they in a relationship, some sort of “arrangement,” or…?

We are so loving back.

Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009

There’s also a clip of Dedra and Syril floating around that I won’t spoil but it is wonderfully awkward :allears:

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



The fancam potential we are dealing with is IMMEASURABLE.

LMAO:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/1jzb7lb/new_s2_clip_syril_and_dedra/

From the producers of Pity gently caress comes Contempt gently caress

Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Apr 15, 2025

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Owlbear Camus posted:

The fancam potential we are dealing with is IMMEASURABLE.

LMAO:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/1jzb7lb/new_s2_clip_syril_and_dedra/

From the producers of Pity gently caress comes Contempt gently caress



Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



I love that while this clip gives away that they are in some kind of domestic situation, because of the characters being fascist weirdos we can impute almost nothing else about their relationship.

Is Deedra into him and just too reptilian to actually evince normal human affect?

Is she begrudgingly with him out of some sense of obligation after he saved her from getting her skull cracked open like an egg with a funerary brick?

Did Pardigast basically say "He is a potential asset, do what you must to keep him on task. Whatever it takes." and here she is?

All possible!

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
AMCA are going to need to invest in a fainting couch for Natalie.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


I hope she makes fun of his hat

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redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

loving Timm

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