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Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

1st AD posted:

The show is clearly doing an analogy for white Christian colonizers doing cultural genocide on native peoples and does it throughout the show.
That strikes me as an oddly specific interpretation when religious persecution is much older than early modern colonialism. Much of the plot hinges on the Order's legal right to test children and more-or-less conscript them into the clergy if they have psychic talent. Settlers abducted children, of course, but it's far from a straightforward allusion to e.g. conquistadores kidnapping children so they could raise them as interpreters. The Jedi aren't settler colonialists insofar as their plan is to just take the kids and leave.

I think it's actually okay for a white liberal to write a story about kids being taken away from their loving Queer parents and having religion forced on them; I'm pretty sure that happens to some white people.

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Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
the mod team violated the sancity of my avatar
It's one of our core competencies!

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
I love Luke and Mara's initial dynamic so much that tbh if we aren't getting Mara having a crisis over this rear end in a top hat who ruined her life being so nice, I don't want it. And seeing as the only way Dave and Disney are gonna give me that is with homonculus Luke I double don't want it.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
I hope that more shows and films swing for the fences in the future or at least focus on being genre pieces rather than "Star Wars" Star Wars shows. I have high hopes for the Ninth Jedi anime we're getting and I remain optimistic about Starfighter.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Shoehead posted:

I love Luke and Mara's initial dynamic so much that tbh if we aren't getting Mara having a crisis over this rear end in a top hat who ruined her life being so nice, I don't want it. And seeing as the only way Dave and Disney are gonna give me that is with homonculus Luke I double don't want it.

It's a shame they won't pull the trigger on Sebastian Shaw as younger Luke as he could be fun for it.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reminder that in The Acolyte, the Jedi group was only on that planet to study "vergences" in the Force, and it was all very boring and tedious. Sol just happened to stroll away and stumble upon the Twins, and then the Force Witches... which, clearly, is the Will of the Force that this all happens.

Now, the idea of Sol feeling obligated to take the kids, or his duty, is a separate matter.

Santini
Nov 27, 2019

Not in on the joke

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Star Wars writers really do need to watch some other cinema though.

No they don't

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

redshirt posted:

Reminder that in The Acolyte, the Jedi group was only on that planet to study "vergences" in the Force, and it was all very boring and tedious. Sol just happened to stroll away and stumble upon the Twins, and then the Force Witches... which, clearly, is the Will of the Force that this all happens.

Now, the idea of Sol feeling obligated to take the kids, or his duty, is a separate matter.

Columbus was just looking for a Western route to the East Indies.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

skasion posted:

The Acolyte was ok with one really good bit (big rear end lightsaber melee where Manny kills everyone). Mostly just too slow. It was 8 episodes long lmfao, could easily have been half the length. Most unnecessary Rashomoning

Darth Bottles is my perfect idea of what a sith lord should be. Creepy, sinister, and his arguments are persuasive and seductive, but he's still full of poo poo.

Like the conversation that's pretty much
Sol: "she was a child, you murdered her"
Bottles: "you brought her here"

And I'm nodding along sagely, you're right Mr Sith Lord, it is messed up that the jedi put a young padawan into harms way and....wait a second youre still the dude who murdered her.

It's so good.

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

redshirt posted:

Reminder that in The Acolyte, the Jedi group was only on that planet to study "vergences" in the Force, and it was all very boring and tedious.

NoneMoreNegative posted:

lmao this guy thinking Sol was a proper wrong 'un :o:


howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Strom Cuzewon posted:

Darth Bottles

Well, I suppose you do need a bottle to make a Molotov Cocktail.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1978139201787789669

drat.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
He'd been ill for a while, drat shame.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Strom Cuzewon posted:

Darth Bottles is my perfect idea of what a sith lord should be. Creepy, sinister, and his arguments are persuasive and seductive, but he's still full of poo poo.

Like the conversation that's pretty much
Sol: "she was a child, you murdered her"
Bottles: "you brought her here"

And I'm nodding along sagely, you're right Mr Sith Lord, it is messed up that the jedi put a young padawan into harms way and....wait a second youre still the dude who murdered her.

It's so good.

Yeah, he murdered her, but what is he supposed to do in that situation? He's there to fight (and kill) jedis. They bring out a child and he's supposed to just give up and be like "Welp, you have a child, I have to claim the moral high ground and surrender" The jedi are the ones who collect children and then put them into combat. You can't air drop a child into a battlefield and then say that the separatists are monstrous child murderers.

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer

redshirt posted:

Reminder that in The Acolyte, the Jedi group was only on that planet to study "vergences" in the Force, and it was all very boring and tedious. Sol just happened to stroll away and stumble upon the Twins, and then the Force Witches... which, clearly, is the Will of the Force that this all happens.



The fact that they look for "vergence" using metal detectors still crack me up

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
Some idiot battle droid out there has personally slain more younglings than Anakin with random unaimed blaster bolts and they don't even know it.

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
the mod team violated the sancity of my avatar
A battle droid that somehow survived from Geonosis to the end of the Clone Wars would be a fantastic NPC to give to a team of SWRPG players. It somehow has a thousand-yard stare.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Marsupial Ape posted:

A battle droid that somehow survived from Geonosis to the end of the Clone Wars would be a fantastic NPC to give to a team of SWRPG players. It somehow has a thousand-yard stare.

It’s not canon but we kind of got that in Lego Star Wars: The Freemaker Adventures as a main character (which is a good show in its own right though for some reason Disney took everything off D+ except the shorts that made up the first episode of the second season)

Larryb fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Oct 15, 2025

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell

Marsupial Ape posted:

A battle droid that somehow survived from Geonosis to the end of the Clone Wars would be a fantastic NPC to give to a team of SWRPG players. It somehow has a thousand-yard stare.

That one B1 from Skeleton Crew: "Did we win?"

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




The goon-designed Patrol RPG has an expansion that lets you play a squad of battle droids. If I ever run a game at a con again it'll probably be that.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
Someone better versed in Shakespeare than I am please write up a treatise about the way that Luthen and Kleya are inspired by Lear and Cordelia, based solely around the fact that Luthen's last name Rael is just a reversal of his real name Lear.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Marsupial Ape posted:

A battle droid that somehow survived from Geonosis to the end of the Clone Wars would be a fantastic NPC to give to a team of SWRPG players. It somehow has a thousand-yard stare.

One of the PCs in Renegade Scum is exactly that.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
I just want Manny Jacinto and his abs back

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
https://x.com/CobaltGreen1138/status/1978493505568690543?t=qiMqtaRHgt_mfCndotdUpg&s=19

That Bail Organa is our last hope.

No, there is another...

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

This is getting out of hand. Now there are three of him!

Narsham
Jun 5, 2008
Looks like another Bailout for Alderaan.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
I'm left imagining how the Rebel Base personnel felt in the days following Scarif but before the Falcon arrived. Most of the fleet is either destroyed or missing, Admiral Raddus and Captain Andor are both dead, and you've just received word that Alderaan has been destroyed. All you know is that the plans were transmitted from the surface, but if they haven't been recaptured by the Empire they're currently MIA.

Kleya and Vel and Mon all having a very, very bad week of waiting.

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012

Arc Hammer posted:

I'm left imagining how the Rebel Base personnel felt in the days following Scarif but before the Falcon arrived. Most of the fleet is either destroyed or missing, Admiral Raddus and Captain Andor are both dead, and you've just received word that Alderaan has been destroyed. All you know is that the plans were transmitted from the surface, but if they haven't been recaptured by the Empire they're currently MIA.

Kleya and Vel and Mon all having a very, very bad week of waiting.

They're all very busy pre-loading for the evacuation.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
Holy hookrat Sally smoking crack in the alley!



Madurai posted:

They're all very busy pre-loading for the evacuation.

My ideal star wars fan film is the opening montage of Top Gun, except instead of carrier flight ops it's the Yavin base being evacuated and instead of F-14 cat shots it builds to the last 4-ship of Y-wings using the launch tubes before they're shut down forever.

Imagine golden hour with the DS debris ring hanging over the jungle, the whine of the engines...

Prolonged Panorama fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Oct 17, 2025

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Madurai posted:

They're all very busy pre-loading for the evacuation.

Yeah, after Star Wars they're not really better off. The fleet is still destroyed, and on top of that they've also lost most of their fighters in the Death Star attack. Blowing up the Death Star is nice, but for the rebel base all that means is that they've bought themselves a few hours or a few days: instead of getting blown up in a ceremonial show of force, they can expect to get overwhelmed by a Star Destroyer or two jumping into the system at any moment.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


I recall the EU having a theme of the Empire being really unsure what exactly happened at Yavin and being slow to respond. The Death Star was still a black project when it exploded. The Fleet didn't know they could or should respond. Saying "hey some lovely hot rod fighter just exploded our gigantic battlestation" wasn't exactly something to advertise.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

It's kinda funny how Yavin stayed secret for years when the Rebels are only just unpacking on Hoth and setting up a perimeter and they instantly get caught by a probe droid.

Jungles - good for hiding. Snowy deserts - less so.

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN

Arc Hammer posted:

I'm left imagining how the Rebel Base personnel felt in the days following Scarif but before the Falcon arrived. Most of the fleet is either destroyed or missing, Admiral Raddus and Captain Andor are both dead, and you've just received word that Alderaan has been destroyed. All you know is that the plans were transmitted from the surface, but if they haven't been recaptured by the Empire they're currently MIA.

Kleya and Vel and Mon all having a very, very bad week of waiting.


Andor S2 should have had Andor’s death halfway in, and then this for the finale.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Andor S2 should have had Andor’s death halfway in, and then this for the finale.

*Fade to black*

ROGUE ONE HAPPENS

*Fade back in*

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

thrawn527 posted:

*Fade to black*

ROGUE ONE HAPPENS

*Fade back in*

Could have taken a page from Alien: Earth and had a made-for-TV remake of Rogue One halfway through the season.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Alchenar posted:

It's kinda funny how Yavin stayed secret for years when the Rebels are only just unpacking on Hoth and setting up a perimeter and they instantly get caught by a probe droid.

Jungles - good for hiding. Snowy deserts - less so.

I mean the Rebellion went literally over night from a joke no one really cared about because the ISB was on top of that poo poo to a top-level threat that Palpatine was probably throwing things and people around the room in a fit of rage over going "I WANT A PROBE DROID ON EVERY loving PLANET LOOKING FOR THESE ASSHOLES!" and Vader was like "Yeah, cool. Done." once he poured himself out of his TIE fighter.

So yeah, the obscurity they had to hide in was out the window after the Death Star blew up.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Pinterest Mom posted:

Could have taken a page from Alien: Earth and had a made-for-TV remake of Rogue One halfway through the season.

As much as I enjoy Rogue One, I'm not convinced the "made-for-TV remake" wouldn't have been better, given how good Andor was.

nine-gear crow posted:

I mean the Rebellion went literally over night from a joke no one really cared about because the ISB was on top of that poo poo to a top-level threat that Palpatine was probably throwing things and people around the room in a fit of rage over going "I WANT A PROBE DROID ON EVERY loving PLANET LOOKING FOR THESE ASSHOLES!" and Vader was like "Yeah, cool. Done." once he poured himself out of his TIE fighter.

So yeah, the obscurity they had to hide in was out the window after the Death Star blew up.

To be fair, three years pass between ANH and ESB. We have no idea exactly when the Empire goes into full blown "find the Rebels" mode. And the story, as shown in ESB, is that it's Vader, not Palpatine, who is obsessed with the search, because he's looking for his son, not the Rebels. Vader is a bored middle manager in ANH. He's using the full might of the Imperial Navy in ESB in order to find Luke. (If you haven't read the first Vader comic in the new canon where Vader finds out who destroyed the Death Star, I'd recommend it, it's great.)

I've always been a little confused about why the old EU didn't explore the time between ANH and ESB more. There's some stories, but not a ton. Three years should have been a gold mine for the Bantam era. There was only one year between ESB and ROTJ, and they mined the poo poo out of that for Shadows of the Empire.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.
Shadows of the Empire is one of those projects that shouldn't be possible, a corporate project hitting every vertical across all media channels that happened to be good and well received in every iteration.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

1st AD posted:

Shadows of the Empire is one of those projects that shouldn't be possible, a corporate project hitting every vertical across all media channels that happened to be good and well received in every iteration.

Well received? Yes.

Good? Sus. :hmmno:

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fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012

Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.




Wedge Regret

thrawn527 posted:

I've always been a little confused about why the old EU didn't explore the time between ANH and ESB more. There's some stories, but not a ton. Three years should have been a gold mine for the Bantam era. There was only one year between ESB and ROTJ, and they mined the poo poo out of that for Shadows of the Empire.

Yeah, it's not a ton, but I think it's a fair bit more than what's between ESB and RotJ. IIRC, in terms of books between ANH and ESB, you've got some parts of the Tales Of anthologies (Notably from Empire and the misleadingly titled New Republic ones) and other short stories, and three later Zahn books (Scoundrels, Allegiance, and Choices of One), maybe one or two others I'm forgetting, plus I think a few video games are set in that span too (I know the first Rogue Squadron game mostly is, and parts of Rogue Leader which had Hoth kinda in the middle). IIRC, one of the duel narratives in everybody's beloved Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy is also set during that timeframe too. Between ESB and RotJ has everything related to the Shadows of the Empire project (Book, game, comic, whatever else I'm forgetting), I think a smaller amount of Tales Of stories and bit more video game stuff (Chunks of Rouge Leader), but that's it. They definitely could have put more in that span, but I think in general the old EU during the Bantam-era was sticking in the post-RotJ era for full length novels.

nine-gear crow posted:

Well received? Yes.

Good? Sus. :hmmno:

It's better than the sequel trilogy :can:

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