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kiimo posted:Stellan Skarsgård robbed again. Genevieve O'Reilly is the more egregious miss I would say.
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Denise Gough deserved some kind of recognition There were four different actresses from White Lotus nominated but Andor had none
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Jul 15, 2025 16:12
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kiimo posted:Stellan Skarsgård robbed again. I burn my life to make a sunrise that I know I’ll never see. And the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror or an audience or the light of gratitude. So what do I sacrifice? Everything!
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Jul 15, 2025 16:24
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??? https://x.com/discussingfilm/status/1945160182234816998?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA
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Jul 15, 2025 17:03
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Ok before everyone freaks out please do keep in mind that industry awards are inherently political and I can't think of a single time Lucasfilm has even attempted an awards season campaign. You basically have to do the equivalent of political lobbying and that requires a lot of money and staff out there lobbying to Emmys voters.
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Jul 15, 2025 17:08
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Andor is great, but the way the show is structured I struggle to see how any of the main cast have enough material on them in comparison to their peers to get a nomination. Forest's guest actor nomination works because for a very peripheral part he delivers an absolutely enormous presence in the show.
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Jul 15, 2025 17:18
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Alchenar posted:Andor is great, but the way the show is structured I struggle to see how any of the main cast have enough material on them in comparison to their peers to get a nomination. Forest's guest actor nomination works because for a very peripheral part he delivers an absolutely enormous presence in the show. Only Luna was being pushed for lead, the others for supporting. Skarsgård and O'Reilly had more than enough material to favourably compare to John Turturro in Severance or the nurse from The Pitt.
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Jul 15, 2025 17:48
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Just delete half of the White Lotus nominations and fill them with other shows holy poo poo.
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Jul 15, 2025 17:54
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None of the White Lotus nominations are bad though.
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Jul 15, 2025 17:59
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None of the Andor nominations that could have gone there would be bad either.
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Jul 15, 2025 18:03
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I don't even know what y'all are arguing anymore. Emmy nominations don't happen in a vacuum. Studios, agents, and principals need to submit for consideration. Members of the Academy (basically, working professionals in the industry) need to vote for them. It should not be surprising that HBO, a studio whose entire brand revolves around them being considered prestige television, has done a lot of lobbying on behalf of their performers and creators to put their shows front and center for awards seasons. It should also be not surprising that Lucasfilm, a studio who until 6 years ago was not in the television business at anywhere near the level HBO was, isn't running a competent Emmy's campaign. Maybe just take the fact that the show is getting any recognition at all, much less 14 Emmy nominations, as a win. That's actually really good for them. 1st AD fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jul 15, 2025 |
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Jul 15, 2025 18:24
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The irony of course being the speculation that LFL rushed Andor S2's release in order to meet the deadline for consideration. It's not like the show didn't perform well (if the Nielsons are any indication) but the lack of serious noms has got to sting lol
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Jul 15, 2025 18:29
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Best Drama, Writing, Directing, Cinematography, and Supporting Actor nominations are absolutely serious nominations.
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Jul 15, 2025 18:34
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Also Tudyk and Whitaker are "names"
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Jul 15, 2025 18:48
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Tudyk had like 3 lines
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Jul 15, 2025 18:49
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1st AD posted:Ok before everyone freaks out please do keep in mind that industry awards are inherently political and I can't think of a single time Lucasfilm has even attempted an awards season campaign. Political is the wrong word. Snooty Also John Turturro in Severance was sublime
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Jul 15, 2025 18:51
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kiimo posted:Political is the wrong word. Snooty No. You don't know what you're talking about. Political is entirely correct. You basically need to buy nominations. You need to send DVD screeners to everyone. You need to buy ads in the trades. You need to get friendly media to talk about the show constantly. It is 100% the same process as lobbying in politics. Tony Gilroy being everywhere and Diego Luna doing poo poo like guest hosting for Kimmel is absolutely a part of this process.
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Jul 15, 2025 18:55
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Yep it's literally a political campaign you have to run. Unless someone is a name already.
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stev posted:Tudyk had like 3 lines
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Jul 15, 2025 18:59
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Yeah it was extremely obvious to me the social media rush Disney were doing specifically for the Emmy push for Andor S2, and campaigning is exactly the word I would use
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1st AD posted:No. You don't know what you're talking about. I've literally done an awards campaign that ended up getting a Best Picture I guess we're just arguing about the word political though. kiimo fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jul 15, 2025 |
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Jul 15, 2025 19:01
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So, are you saying no lobbying was done for that Best Picture? I'm not sure what you're saying exactly.
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Jul 15, 2025 19:06
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I'm saying they did all the necessary campaigning for awards, it's Disney they know what they're doing. The reason Andor wasn't chosen isn't political though. It would be one thing if it was made by a small studio and didn't know how to campaign and then Andor gets ignored for it. At the end of the day other shows got more nominations because it's Star Wars and they're snooty about that. I don't really care enough to argue though, so sorry for bringing it up
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Yeah, I don't know why you'd assume the campaign would be run out of Lucasfilm without support from Disney/ABC. I'm sure there were internal politics involved in terms of how much to push people from Andor vs Paradise (??!) for the actor noms, but Andor did pretty well for itself!
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Jul 15, 2025 19:34
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FlamingLiberal posted:Denise Gough deserved some kind of recognition I really thought Gough at least would've gotten a nod, she was phenomenal in both seasons. Luna getting snubbed is also a surprise. Everyone in the show was great, it sucks there wasn't more recognition for the performances for Mon, Syril, Partagaz, and Wilmon in particular. Whittaker getting a nomination is deserved but also smacks of a narrow perspective on what kind of performances are award worthy. Tudyk feels like a "eh, why not" decision. I'm guessing Gilroy will win as a sort of career achievement thing. Outstanding Drama Series seems like long odds but crazier things have happened.
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You just have to stop caring about award shows. I don't think I've ever seen something win one of those awards and thought "I'll have to check it out". I'm happy for the people that get awards, but it's full of bullshit and has no effect on my life. It's tough for me to care when someone explains that they didn't vote for someone because they assumed that person already had won before when they hadn't. Nothing about if the show or movie was any good, just thinking if the person deserved to win or not based on feels and bad memory.
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Jul 15, 2025 21:50
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I met an Academy voter at a party and said I thought Crouching Tiger deserved it more than Gladiator and he straight up told me he never watched Crouching Tiger and several Academy voters didn't either because they "don't do subtitles"
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Jul 15, 2025 21:53
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Industry awards are meaningless for anyone outside the industry. Staying power is what matters to audiences and critics in the long run. If Andor has a big cult in 10 years no one is gonna care if it didn't win any drama awards. Yeah, Andor getting no acting nominations outside the two guest stars is partly because campaigning issues. But it's also because it's called Star Wars and has spaceships in it, and fantasy and science fiction rarely get the respect of "real world"-set dramas or "respectable" genres like crime/mystery/noir, police procedural, hospital dramas, legal dramas, historical, etc. Occasionally something with dragons (Got) or spaceships breaks through (usually through the attrition of lots of seasons), but there is a longstanding idea out there that space opera and high fantasy should not be taken seriously. Obviously, a show like Severance is sci-fi, but it's not the space adventure variety. And if you have a great show about rich people being assholes (Succession, White Lotus), that's where the voters are gonna go. Plus they got technical awards to placate the nerds. Bad luck, Andor. Love Rat fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jul 15, 2025 |
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Turns out the actor for Partagaz is a TERF so I'm happy he didn't get any awards recognition.
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Cojawfee posted:You just have to stop caring about award shows. I don't think I've ever seen something win one of those awards and thought "I'll have to check it out". I'm happy for the people that get awards, but it's full of bullshit and has no effect on my life. It's tough for me to care when someone explains that they didn't vote for someone because they assumed that person already had won before when they hadn't. Nothing about if the show or movie was any good, just thinking if the person deserved to win or not based on feels and bad memory. No. Other people need to like my show too
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PriorMarcus posted:Turns out the actor for Partagaz is a TERF so I'm happy he didn't get any awards recognition.
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PriorMarcus posted:Turns out the actor for Partagaz is a TERF so I'm happy he didn't get any awards recognition. I don't think getting cast for the new HBO Harry Potter series means you're automatically a TERF.
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1st AD posted:I don't think getting cast for the new HBO Harry Potter series means you're automatically a TERF. If someone was cast in a TV show that was openly funding the KKK would they not be racist?
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Is there something besides a casting announcement here?
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PriorMarcus posted:If someone was cast in a TV show that was openly funding the KKK would they not be racist? Disney donated $100k to Trump and the NRCC in 2024, ergo Tony Gilroy is actually a baby fascist.
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PriorMarcus posted:If someone was cast in a TV show that was openly funding the KKK would they not be racist? Is everybody working for Warner Brothers a TERF in your estimation?
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Jul 16, 2025 00:48
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*is just walking along the boardwalk of Space Jacksonville....
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If there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, then there is no ethical occupation under capitalism, either.
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Cojawfee posted:You just have to stop caring about award shows. I don't think I've ever seen something win one of those awards and thought "I'll have to check it out". When Parasite won Best Picture, it marked one of only two high points in the entire history of all awards ceremonies (this was the other), which is why everybody stopped, nodded at each other, shook hands (very important) and silently agreed there was no need to ever have an awards ceremony again.
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PriorMarcus posted:Turns out the actor for Partagaz is a TERF so I'm happy he didn't get any awards recognition. God. loving. Dammit.
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