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The Acolyte was just getting really good, then... no more.
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redshirt posted:The Acolyte was just getting really good, then... no more.  The Acolyte. Disney got spooked by a racist guy in an Order 66 ball cap getting mad online and then lied that it cost like a billion dollars to make through Hollywood Accounting or whatever.
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Oct 12, 2025 19:05
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The Acolyte had interesting ideas that were executed very poorly.
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Oct 12, 2025 20:07
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i respect that the acolyte was trying to be about something instead of just more filoni balloney smashing action figures together. hosed if i could figure out what it was trying to be about though
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Oct 12, 2025 20:17
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Owlbear Camus posted:i respect that the acolyte was trying to be about something instead of just more filoni balloney smashing action figures together. The lies of the Jedi
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Oct 12, 2025 20:32
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1st AD posted:The Acolyte had interesting ideas that were executed very poorly. These days I'd take an interesting mess over well-executed white noise. It's a shame that corpo media in general doesn't allow shows to just get through a messy self-discovering first season like they used to 20 or 30 years ago.
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Oct 12, 2025 20:32
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The Acolyte was ok with one really good bit (big rear end lightsaber melee where Manny kills everyone). Mostly just too slow. It was 8 episodes long lmfao, could easily have been half the length. Most unnecessary Rashomoning
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Oct 12, 2025 20:37
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I feel like the first three episodes of The Acolyte were trying to introduce some Big Ideas, but after that a Disney exec just keeps saying "I don't get it" and they dropped all attempts at Big Ideas.
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Oct 12, 2025 20:41
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Marsupial Ape posted:I feel like the first three episodes of The Acolyte were trying to introduce some Big Ideas, but after that a Disney exec just keeps saying "I don't get it" and they dropped all attempts at Big Ideas. I feel like that's a common story with a lot of shows these days, just getting buried under 10,000 studio notes from squeamish executives who just don't get things outside the glass walls of their corner office and get crushed into paste under all that weight. And then like every now and then you'll get the extremely rare show that slips through the cracks like Fallout or Andor and makes it to screen pretty much intact from its original vision because the producers actually trust the talent they've hired.
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Oct 12, 2025 20:55
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The showrunner/director/writers just weren’t good enough for what they wanted to do. It ended up a convoluted mess that had some bright spots. Honestly, it probably would have been significantly better as a straightforward show without the big mystery box at all.
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Oct 12, 2025 21:09
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Cut it down to 3, 1 hour episodes and it probably would have worked.
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Oct 12, 2025 21:15
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1st AD posted:The Acolyte had interesting ideas that were executed very poorly.
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Oct 12, 2025 21:21
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I think it's also generally a problem that TV at least for Disney is being made with Blockbuster movie scale budget. When some of my favorite TV shows didn't figure it out until like halfway through the first season or into the second season when seasons were 22 episodes long. I think by the end of acolyte they actually did lock in on what could have been an interesting story of like a political intrigue show about the Jedi. Through the lens of a very YA-ish type show. But that show was stupidly expensive and wasn't commercially or critically successful So it never got a chance to iterate and lock in on what it was actually good at.
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Oct 12, 2025 21:25
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Dexo posted:I think it's also generally a problem that TV at least for Disney is being made with Blockbuster movie scale budget. It would have been so, so easy to build a couple of Jedi Temple and city sets and have long scenes of people talking, people training, people arguing intercut with a couple of trips to alien planets (read: Joshua Tree National Park). But no, everything has to be PRESTIGE TV, cost a billion dollars and make five billion. There is still enough good material in Acolyte I'm convinced you could put together a solid 2.5 hour movie just out of the footage available.
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Oct 12, 2025 21:45
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The Acoolyte is a flawless season of TV that will stand the test of time, as opposed to direct competitors like Alien Earth. To a certain extent, I’m glad that Acoolyte got cancelled before it could actually begin to suck. Better to burn out than to fade away, etc.
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Oct 12, 2025 21:50
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Marsupial Ape posted:I feel like the first three episodes of The Acolyte were trying to introduce some Big Ideas, but after that a Disney exec just keeps saying "I don't get it" and they dropped all attempts at Big Ideas. The show is clearly doing an analogy for white Christian colonizers doing cultural genocide on native peoples and does it throughout the show. I don’t like The Acolyte but it’s dumb to say they dropped any attempts at the overarching narrative. I think part of the problem is that Leslye Headland, a white lib, might be the wrong voice to tell this story. Yes Disney is a lovely megacorp, but also Andor got made with all sorts of agitprop baked in so it’s not just Disney sucks or streaming sucks.
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Oct 12, 2025 22:29
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Not the Big Idea I was talking about.
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Oct 12, 2025 22:33
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Here’s the new actor playing Baylan Skoll. Looks good to me. Comparison: 
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Cartoon Man posted:the new actor that's the fuckin' hound man
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Oct 13, 2025 00:16
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I'm assuming this season is about getting Ahsoka and Sabine back into the main galaxy along with everyone else, so I'm looking forward to the eventual meeting of Din Djaren, Baylon Skoll, and Baylon's big beefy brother, except this time Pedro Pascal isn't brutally killed.
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Oct 13, 2025 00:23
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Butterfly Valley posted:that's the fuckin' hound man
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Oct 13, 2025 00:24
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Cartoon Man posted:Here’s the new actor playing Baylan Skoll. Looks good to me. The hound becomes a wolf.
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Oct 13, 2025 00:48
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1st AD posted:I'm assuming this season is about getting Ahsoka and Sabine back into the main galaxy along with everyone else, so I'm looking forward to the eventual meeting of Din Djaren, Baylon Skoll, and Baylon's big beefy brother, except this time Pedro Pascal isn't brutally killed. Bets on them getting back to the main galaxy through the world between worlds and having it be used to do something very stupid to 'fix' the sequel trilogy?
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0% They've spent the last 6 years setting up the sequel trilogy in Mando and Ahsoka with the Emperor's cloning program and the Operation Paperclip stuff. They'd have to throw the boring unnecessary baby out with the bathwater. They're just going to adapt the Thrawn trilogy with the numbers filed off and the Rebels crew in place of the OT crew and try to make us quietly forget about the sequels.
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Oct 13, 2025 01:00
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I think the potential benefits of "fixing" the ST are pretty low and the risks are very high and I can't see Disney doing it. They can't exactly get the original trio back for any new movies and there's a world of difference between striking a bunch of games & books for nerds and saying the the previous films don't count.
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Oct 13, 2025 01:10
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Disney brings back Lucas for another Sequel trilogy.
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Oct 13, 2025 01:26
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I still say we can save this with a Rey Skywalker/Mara Jade romance. The EU states that Mara Jade was the wife of the founder of the New Jedi Order and we can make that rhyme.
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Oct 13, 2025 01:35
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Bets on them getting back to the main galaxy through the world between worlds and having it be used to do something very stupid to 'fix' the sequel trilogy? Sorry I was making a dumb Game of Thrones reference instead of…whatever this is.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I still say we can save this with a Rey Skywalker/Mara Jade romance. The EU states that Mara Jade was the wife of the founder of the New Jedi Order and we can make that rhyme. The rage potential makes me think this is the best of all possible worlds.
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Oct 13, 2025 14:37
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Madurai posted:The rage potential makes me think this is the best of all possible worlds. That's my initial thinking, too, but Mara Jade would honestly be easy to put into the post sequels era. Just say that she's a refugee from Exogol, "Emperor's Hand" was totally a thing there, and that she hates Rey because she literally destroyed her civilization and way of life. Would gender-swapping Mara Jade into Marvin Jade make the chuds angrier or appease them?
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nine-gear crow posted:The hound becomes a wolf.
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Marsupial Ape posted:
Tough call. Maybe trans Mara.
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Oct 13, 2025 15:34
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Do we really need Mara Jade? All it's gonna do is piss off Uber nerds that they didn't do her 'right' and force the series to re-tread something we've seen before. I mean, look at what's happened with Thrawn. It they really wanted to, create a new character, Jadeaux Maria, have her follow some similar story beats like the idea of a Emperor's Hand, but don't be constrained to all that baggage.
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Oct 13, 2025 17:12
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If they ever do a Luke's Academy show they'll probably just slot her in there, since they've shown an utter lack of imagination when it comes to doing anything different from the original EU
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Oct 13, 2025 17:17
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Isometric Bacon posted:Do we really need Mara Jade? All it's gonna do is piss off Uber nerds Yes.
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Oct 13, 2025 17:25
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That is the sound of 50,000 lovely grifters suddenly and magically becoming "experts" on who the gently caress Mara Jade is even supposed to be, all so they can get mad at a woman again.
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Oct 13, 2025 17:41
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I nominate Christina Chong for Mara Jade.
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Oct 13, 2025 17:47
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Marsupial Ape posted:I nominate Christina Chong for Mara Jade. No, god, please, keep her away from Star Wars fans. She's too pure and must be protected at all costs.
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Oct 13, 2025 17:55
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It’s not my fault she meets the one actual requirement to be Mara Jade: “a dancer’s body”
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Mara Jade Watson, famous girlfriend of Rey Spiderman.
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