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Ponda and Evazan were both upset that Luke was being extremely rude to their bartender friend by cutting in line, grabbing him by the shoulder and demanding a drink without even specifying what he wanted.
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There was an old Mad Magazine page that was incredibly prescient about all the different versions of the Greedo scene and the final one was "Bro hug"
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Greedo beats Han to death with silver high heels
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Chronojam posted:Greedo beats Han to death with silver high heels We have a winner! 
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 ...And can we use the Star Wars spaceships on the album cover? Absolutely not. edit: while I'm posting - this fellow from Warlords of Atlantis (1978) has a lot of Rancor-ness in his face, I wonder if he was any inspiration for the Star Wars creature.    NoneMoreNegative fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Dec 9, 2025 |
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What do you mean, that is clearly the I-Wing from Star War
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Gnome de plume posted:Han shoots first, misses, Greedo fires back and kills Han, film ends early They did a couple of alternate universe comics where something went differently in the OT but unfortunately never did a "Greedo shoots Han" one. Although the ROTJ one does revolve around the Han rescue going bad which leaves him out of the picture for most of the story (that is also the one where Vader lives and ends the story in an all white version of his armor as he has turned good.)
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Make the cut where Anakin beating up Greedo as a kid is canon and have that be awkwardly referenced in the Han Solo scene. “I’ve come a long way since little Ani Skywalker beat the poodo out of me!” Han, nonplussed, blasts his brains out.
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NoneMoreNegative posted:edit: while I'm posting - this fellow from Warlords of Atlantis (1978) has a lot of Rancor-ness in his face, I wonder if he was any inspiration for the Star Wars creature. It could be in the mix somewhere - Return of the Jedi and Warlords of Atlantis have the same cinematographer (Alan Hume) and I imagine Lucas and the others would have watched some of his movies before hiring him, so they were likely aware of the creature's existence, at least. I think the influence would have been more subconscious than anything, though. Lucas famously had them redesign the Millennium Falcon because it was too close to the Eagle from Space: 1999, and preferred to be more oblique with his references. Jabba the Hutt was inspired Sydney Greenstreet in The Maltese Falcon, but that has more to do with his overall vibe and personality, and Jabba doesn't resemble Greenstreet aside from just being a large guy. The design brief for the creature was also very open, and just had the story requirements of being a big creature in a pit that was able to pick Luke up to try and eat him, so it needed arms and a mouth. But if Lucas had the Warlords creature floating around in the back of his mind somewhere from hiring Hume, it's possible he was drawn to the designs that resembled that creature a bit more, since they would have seemed familiar to him on an unconscious level.
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The original ESB text crawl suggests that Vader is already looking for young Skywalker. Vader then states thst he is sure Skywalker is with them when the admiral is reviewing the probe footage. However its only later during his Zoom call with Palpy that Skywalker's full name and heritage is revealed. Its setup as if its the first time Vader is learning these details. I wonder if the scene was intended to be earlier in the film.
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It was actually supposed to be in a Fortnite event before the film came out, but unfortunately Fortnite didn't exist yet
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Gnome de plume posted:Han shoots first, misses, Greedo fires back and kills Han, film ends early Ben and Luke hire Star Tours instead. Leia doesn't get rescued, but the Death Star vanishes when it attempts to follow Star Tours to its origin (Earth)
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Burns posted:The original ESB text crawl suggests that Vader is already looking for young Skywalker. Vader then states thst he is sure Skywalker is with them when the admiral is reviewing the probe footage. However its only later during his Zoom call with Palpy that Skywalker's full name and heritage is revealed. Its setup as if its the first time Vader is learning these details. I wonder if the scene was intended to be earlier in the film. I doubt it. In both the original cut and the special edition, Vader is playing dumb towards Palps, but the 2004 edition's dialogue is much more awkward. The scene exists to show Vader has his own master, who is only now learning what his protégé has been up to for the last hour.
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Even in the rough draft (where Anakin was a separate character), Vader was angling for Luke to join him from the beginning, and the scene with the Emperor is in roughly the same place as it is in the final film. The only real difference is that in the early version of the story, the Emperor gives Vader an ultimatum - either Luke dies, or Vader does. The Emperor being in on the plan to turn Luke was added in the second draft.
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Robot Style posted:Even in the rough draft (where Anakin was a separate character), Vader was angling for Luke to join him from the beginning, and the scene with the Emperor is in roughly the same place as it is in the final film. The only real difference is that in the early version of the story, the Emperor gives Vader an ultimatum - either Luke dies, or Vader does. The Emperor being in on the plan to turn Luke was added in the second draft. Also not at all relevant to the movies but in a couple of novels that recount that scene Vader is intentionally going "Anakin Skywalker? Never heard of him." because he's paranoid about who might be tapping the Executor's comms. And then you have Shadows of the Empire justifying it completely because Xizor is hovering over Palpatine's shoulder listening in on the call because Ol Sheev is such a dick he that he doesn't bother saying to Vader "Oh by the way, you're on speaker right now."
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Burns posted:The original ESB text crawl suggests that Vader is already looking for young Skywalker. Vader then states thst he is sure Skywalker is with them when the admiral is reviewing the probe footage. However its only later during his Zoom call with Palpy that Skywalker's full name and heritage is revealed. Its setup as if its the first time Vader is learning these details. I wonder if the scene was intended to be earlier in the film. Vader is lying to the Emperor. His plan is to find Luke first and win him over to his side and overthrow the Emperor. Then the Emperor says he knows about Luke, and Vader has to awkwardly be all, "Howwww is that possible?" But he's bullshitting to buy time. It's new canon, and I've posted it in here before, but there's a great Vader comic that shows the moment he finds out about Luke, and let's just say he's not happy with the Emperor. https://comicnewbies.com/2015/06/04/darth-vader-learns-luke-is-his-son/ In the new canon, this is the moment he starts making his plans to turn the Imperial Fleet into his personal "Find my son" task force.
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great sequence, apart from the one panel of Luke where it briefly becomes hilarious
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Gnome de plume posted:great sequence, apart from the one panel of Luke where it briefly becomes hilarious  I’m not sure if knowing the context of that panel or remaining oblivious would make it better
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He nearly caused explosive decompression of that compartment with his Force-Rage. Do we know if his suit functions in a vacuum? Surely it must, right.
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MrMojok posted:He nearly caused explosive decompression of that compartment with his Force-Rage. He should be able to "Force hold" his breath for hours. Or at least he used to.
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It's also kinda funny because when it cuts back to Vader after the force rage that little wisp of steam/smoke makes it look like he vaporised Boba in his little temper tantrum.
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Gnome de plume posted:great sequence, apart from the one panel of Luke where it briefly becomes hilarious "I- I have a SON! ...Oh no, he's a loser!"
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Parkingtigers posted:It's also kinda funny because when it cuts back to Vader after the force rage that little wisp of steam/smoke makes it look like he vaporised Boba in his little temper tantrum. Really changes the meaning of "no disintegrations". And Boba's a clone anyway, so Empire can still work.
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The Disney comics also had a fun bit where a story follows Vader just after ROTS where he's giving orders to a military guy who's all "And you are?"
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fartknocker posted:
The context is also kind of dumb. Early on in Marvel's run of Star Wars comics, they had Luke and Vader duel each other between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back, potentially as an homage to the fight they had in Splinter of the Mind's Eye. During the duel, Luke says that Obi-Wan gave him the lightsaber he's using (which Vader recognizes once he gets a good look at it), and that he was on the Death Star to witness Kenobi's death. Vader knows Obi-Wan was on Tatooine. He recognizes the lightsaber. The kid was traveling with Obi-Wan on the ship that went to the Rebel base, and the Death Star was then blown up by a Force sensitive rebel pilot. So in a fit of continuity, Vader comes to the conclusion that this 19 year old blond Jedi from Tatooine who was hanging around with Obi-Wan and wielding Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber must be... the person who can lead him to the Rebel pilot that blew up the Death Star! There's just enough plausible deniability to make it not completely laughable - Luke starts the confrontation by saying that Vader killed his father, Vader doesn't think his kid survived, and he only recognizes the lightsaber seconds before the duel is interrupted by a walker crashing through the ceiling, but in context that panel is definitely Vader having an "I'm so loving stupid" moment of realization (or a "that idiot is my kid?" moment) It's also not even a poorly chose panel from that comic. It's a brand new drawing.
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Robot Style posted:It's also not even a poorly chose panel from that comic. It's a brand new drawing. It's both hideous and probably the most human Salvador Larocca makes a person look in his entire run. There are awful choices being made with the coloring throughout the whole book, but Larocca's art certainly doesn't help things. Anybody wearing a helmet doesn't look half bad though, so I can understand why they tapped him for the Darth Vader book.
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Robot Style posted:It's also not even a poorly chose panel from that comic. It's a brand new drawing. lol, Vader literally did a Simpsons "File Photo" gag on his mind on his own son.
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Robot Style posted:The context is also kind of dumb. Star Wars TV Megathread: In A Fit of Continuity
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nine-gear crow posted:lol, Vader literally did a Simpsons "File Photo" gag on his mind on his own son. lmbo
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I got the crud and am hosed up on over the counter cough syrup. That panel of Maximum Effort Face Luke is too much.
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It’s not the dumbest thing ever but I do think having Vader and Luke fight off-screen before their big showdown in Bespin is a perfect example of the Star Wars canon never leaving good enough alone.
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If they'd been given a renewal, Obi-Wan season 5 would take place a few days before ANH and he and Vader have another fight in it. "I sense something; a presence I have not felt since... last week!"
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feedmyleg posted:If they'd been given a renewal, Obi-Wan season 5 would take place a few days before ANH and he and Vader have another fight in it. That was a little disappointing in Jedi: Survivor when, whoops, here's another Darth Vader fight you obviously can't win!
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Yeah, my biggest issue with the Obi-Wan show (outside of the quality of writing) was that the Leia stuff was in it at all. If you have to bend over backwards to make your story technically fit within the previously-established facts, you're not really engaging with the spirit of the thing.
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BigglesSWE posted:It’s not the dumbest thing ever but I do think having Vader and Luke fight off-screen before their big showdown in Bespin is a perfect example of the Star Wars canon never leaving good enough alone. Better or worse than the ridiculous lengths the Clone Wars TV show went through to ensure Anakin and Grievous never met each other, despite Obi Wan dueling with him every other episode.
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mdemone posted:Star Wars TV Megathread: In A Fit of Continuity 2nded.
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feedmyleg posted:Yeah, my biggest issue with the Obi-Wan show (outside of the quality of writing) was that the Leia stuff was in it at all. If you have to bend over backwards to make your story technically fit within the previously-established facts, you're not really engaging with the spirit of the thing. the obvious solution is to remake the OT to better fit the newer works  edit: then they can use the re-cast actors to portray characters in post-ROTJ shows!
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They can use their stupid deal with Sora to AI-hallucinate a new script and not have to pay any actors.
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BigglesSWE posted:It’s not the dumbest thing ever but I do think having Vader and Luke fight off-screen before their big showdown in Bespin is a perfect example of the Star Wars canon never leaving good enough alone. feedmyleg posted:Yeah, my biggest issue with the Obi-Wan show (outside of the quality of writing) was that the Leia stuff was in it at all. If you have to bend over backwards to make your story technically fit within the previously-established facts, you're not really engaging with the spirit of the thing. This is the time worn trap that everyone who writes Star Wars stories set between the movies starring the main cast falls into. It's on display at its worst in something like Shadows of the Empire where everyone just has to frictionlessly orbit around everyone else doing nothing of meaning or significance because the story can't contradict Return of the Jedi in any way. So you get poo poo like Vader angrily pouting in his little plot box for the whole book because he's legally prohibited from doing anything by LucasFilm Ltd. 90s LucasArts got it right though: just don't make any stories involving Luke, Han, and Leia set during the OT.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:the obvious solution is to remake the OT to better fit the newer works This is what the Obi-wan show is already
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