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nine-gear crow posted:So you get poo poo like Vader angrily pouting in his little plot box for the whole book because he's legally prohibited from doing anything by LucasFilm Ltd. The plot box was a literal box at many points. He also shot down a ton of pilots. No one you've ever met. They're all from Canada.
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I thought it was a little less egregious because Vader was at least trying to locate Luke, and putting serious resources into the effort, tying into ESB's implication that Vader had been checked out prior to ANH and was really getting back into the game because he wanted to find Luke and rule with him as father and son. Also, it lowkey ruled that Xizor spent the whole book thinking he was a bigtime player and then Vader finally got sufficiently annoyed to simply shred his forces and then waste him without any real effort.
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I too like that Xizor's story was basically, "I'm this sick nasty crime lord, I know how to Play the Game and that is going to let me take Vader's Spot in the Imperial Court." With the punchline being, of course, that Vader does not play politics, and if you push him hard enough he will be forced to simply kill you with overwhelming force because no amount of street smarts can stop a turbolaser or being force choked.
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SOTE is a bit of an odd duck because as lazy and uncreative as a lot of it is, (creating Not Han Solo, recycling deleted scenes from ROTJ), there are a lot of little intriguing gems within. For all that Xizor is set up as somebody's cool OC, you've both pointed out that the story ultimately comes down on the viewpoint that he's a loser who sucks. I don't know ultimately who created the character, but he definitely reads like Steve Perry got handed him by a committee and took the piss out of him (see also Leia kicking him in the nuts). There's also a brief but fascinating passage where Vader is trying to meditate and feel the light side of the Force despite the pain it causes him. Everybody knows the novel and the game, but weirdly they released a soundtrack album as well and even more weirdly it's actually quite good.
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Dec 12, 2025 07:09
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A Star Wars project having good music feels like it should be a given, honestly. We got Across the Stars out of an incredibly uncomfortable-to-watch romance, after all.
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Robot Style posted:It's also not even a poorly chose panel from that comic. It's a brand new drawing. It also has Vader’s best dad joke line: Who are you? You killed my father! I’ve killed many fathers, you’ll have to be more specific.
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INTJ Mastermind posted:It also has Vader’s best dad joke line:
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INTJ Mastermind posted:It also has Vader’s best dad joke line: It was forty years ago! More specific. In the Spring? More specific. On a Wednesday? Oh! Right! Now I remember. Because it was Laundry Night
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Vader's dragging around a Blackberry on his chest so he can crosscheck his schedule with father murdering claims. 'You said I killed your father on December 15th... I had three meetings that morning. Your dad was a Star Destroyer captain? That still doesn't help! It says I killed two captains in my 9 o'clock.'
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Urdnot Fire posted:A Star Wars project having good music feels like it should be a given, honestly. We got Across the Stars out of an incredibly uncomfortable-to-watch romance, after all. The soundtracks were the single most disappointing aspect of the sequel trilogy btw. Unhummable
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skasion posted:The soundtracks were the single most disappointing aspect of the sequel trilogy btw. Unhummable Rey's Theme, March of the Resistance and Rose's theme are about it. Scherzo for X-Wing is alright but it's no Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra. It's mainly there to act as a "STAR WARS IS BACK!" nostalgia bite song.
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Dec 12, 2025 15:30
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Arc Hammer posted:Rey's Theme, March of the Resistance and Rose's theme are about it. Having seen all 3 movies multiple times I could not give you a bar from any of those with a gun to my head
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skasion posted:Having seen all 3 movies multiple times I could not give you a bar from any of those with a gun to my head Rey's theme is incredibly memorable, it's the one stand-out track of the sequels that's on a par with Across the Stars. It's certainly one you'll remember if you hear it, but honestly I wouldn't fault anyone for not going out of their way to listen to the sequels soundtrack because it is slim pickings. This is a JW certified banger though. To the list already given, I think the Jedi Steps theme from when Rey arrives on Ahch-To is up there too, but I'm mostly absorbed that via the LEGO game where it plays on a loop while exploring the planet and it was one of those little nuggets of gold from sifting through the pile of poo poo that was those films. Listening to it now and it's much shorter in the film, but used more in TLJ, so it's not really around long enough to register so yeah this is me only getting it from a separate bit of SW media. My "can't remember it" is Rose's theme, because one of my issues with The Last Jedi was that Rose didn't seem to even get a theme and it was one of the ways that I explicitly remember feeling this was part of the way they screwed over the character and actress because she's introduced and there was just some meandering and formless musical noise going on in the background of her scenes. Going through the soundtrack now and I can't find anything marked or sounding like a theme at all. Hmm, in conclusion then: skasion posted:The soundtracks were the single most disappointing aspect of the sequel trilogy btw. Unhummable
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Rose's theme is the soft one that wouldn't be out of place with Williams Harry Potter music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq_70juZpfw
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I don’t remember the title of the track, but the music that plays when Luke zoom pranks Kylo at the end is great. “And I will not be The Last Jedi.”
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Yeah, TFA had Rey's Theme, March of the Resistance, and Jedi Steps, which at the time proved to me that John Williams still had it. They're amazing, and I still listen to them on the regular to this day. But TLJ and TROS are when I started thinking he was getting too old for this. Hearing people post Rose's theme now, yeah, okay, that is old school Williams, and I need to add that to the rotation. I forgot about that one. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Dec 12, 2025 |
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Last Jedi doesn't have the best soundtrack but it's apparently the first (and only) Star Wars film where production went well enough that Williams was apparently able to score the film precisely the way he wanted, rather than needing to cut and adjust his music to fit the edit.
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Dec 12, 2025 18:10
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It might be sacrilege but the Harry Potter score is one of the first times I thought that Williams didn’t have it anymore and a lot of his later work just all sounds the same to my ears.
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The third HP movie is his best score of the ones he did for the franchise. The first one is a tone setter that became synonymous with the franchise, while the second movie was composed at the same time he was doing a fuckton of other soundtracks, so it sounds like a jumbled cross between HP, Attack of the Clones, Catch Me If You Can, and whatever else Williams was working on at the time. But I really do like the third movie's soundtrack, it's got its own style.
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One of the reasons it's the best film of the lot, by far
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Butterfly Valley posted:One of the reasons it's the best film of the lot, by far Also the only one with an actual director
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Arc Hammer posted:Rose's theme is the soft one that wouldn't be out of place with Williams Harry Potter music: Rose's theme feels like it's something that came out of the Prequels and I say that as a compliment in that case.
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Arc Hammer posted:Rose's theme is the soft one that wouldn't be out of place with Williams Harry Potter music: I think the first section is exactly what I meant when I said "there was just some meandering and formless musical noise going on in the background of her scenes". It's just not noticeable or impactful enough to work as a theme behind a scene of dialogue, it just gets lost in the mix. It's certainly better when heard as a longer piece where the later parts rev up, and it's given my full attention. I just maintain that's not how it's used in the film. As a piece of music it's... I mean it's "fine", but it's painfully generic honestly. This could be from any mid-90s medium budget kids movie that is expected to make most of its money in the video rentals market. It's a bit of music more fit for a movie like Zathura tier flick than the biggest sci-fi franchise. I say all this as an obvious John Williams fan, but it's an album track not a single.
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Outlaws is finally down to 40 bucks for the ultimate edition, but it's so close to the steam Christmas sale that I don't know whether I should hold off and see if it gets even cheaper
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site posted:Outlaws is finally down to 40 bucks for the ultimate edition, but it's so close to the steam Christmas sale that I don't know whether I should hold off and see if it gets even cheaper Save that 40 bucks and buy Expedition 33 instead. Outlaws is flawed and a hot mess at times. Sometimes it’s really good, but those moments are fleeting.
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If you really want a fun star wars romp, outlaws is worth it. But I'm excited for Galactic Racer.
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1st AD posted:Save that 40 bucks and buy Expedition 33 instead. I would temper this depending on if Playing A Technically Proficient Game versus Hanging Around In Star Wars are the priorities, because it definitely succeeds in the second thing.
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i watched some streamers play e33 when it first came out, it seemed good but not something i'm particularly interested in playing myself. i want to Hang Around in Star Wars and yes i'm hoping galactic racer will transport me back to the days of 1999 playing episode 1 podracer
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1st AD posted:Save that 40 bucks and buy Expedition 33 instead. I saw that some mildly notable YouTube shithead did a 17 hour deep dive into why Outlaws was bad and people laughed at him because you could literally play and beat the game for yourself in less time than it would take you to watch the video.
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Hey, let's not talk poo poo about ludicrously long Star Wars videos. They can be very comforting when I am sick or depressed 
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Unless you spend all your time screeching about how terrible things are because of some minor issue, you can have 40 dollars worth of fun in Outlaws. One of the DLCs is an adventure with Hondo. There's a fun version of sabacc and you can cheat in it.
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The Spark in TLJ is fantastic too. RoS is the real weak link in terms of music because it's got loving nothing.
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I can't comment on RoS because I'll never watch it again and don't remember the music particularly well, but TLJ really felt like a greatest hits for Williams, like he wasn't planning on coming back for the final movie. It reprises enough old themes and its new ones are good enough that I don't know how you'd really expect to follow it up even with a movie that wasn't total poo poo.Cojawfee posted:Unless you spend all your time screeching about how terrible things are because of some minor issue, you can have 40 dollars worth of fun in Outlaws. One of the DLCs is an adventure with Hondo. There's a fun version of sabacc and you can cheat in it. I'll reiterate that you can just sign up for a month of whatever Ubisoft's gamepass-style service is for half that. You won't get to keep the game, but I doubt it would hold up to a second playthrough anyway. I really enjoyed the one go I had at it. And then you can play The Lost Crown when you're finished.
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I bought Outlaws a while ago on discount and thought it was well-put together, polished, and fun to play. The story's arguably a bit weak, but considering how many times I've seen people lament that all these Star Wars games have you be a Jedi battling galaxy-threatening evils and that they just want to be a lowly smuggler dealing with small-time, down-to-earth stuff instead, I find it difficult to criticise the game on that point. I'll second that it may make more economic sense to sign up for one month of Ubisoft's service than to spend 40 bucks on it, however.
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Sombrerotron posted:I bought Outlaws a while ago on discount and thought it was well-put together, polished, and fun to play. The story's arguably a bit weak, but considering how many times I've seen people lament that all these Star Wars games have you be a Jedi battling galaxy-threatening evils and that they just want to be a lowly smuggler dealing with small-time, down-to-earth stuff instead, I find it difficult to criticise the game on that point. I'll second that it may make more economic sense to sign up for one month of Ubisoft's service than to spend 40 bucks on it, however.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The gameplay is definitely more fun than the story. Story is perfectly fine but it’s funny that so many games have a surprise Darth Vader appearance now I agree it’s getting a bit silly but in a way I really liked seeing the main character seeing Vader rough up a bad guy without having any previous knowledge of him and never seeing him again. It’s a fun perspective on Vader we don’t really get much of. Obviously all the most important people within the imperial infrastructure is well informed on the weird mystical muscle the Emperor sends out to crack skulls, and the rebels will be well aware of his menace. But for the vast majority of the galaxy’s population he is, I assume, an unknown quantity.
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How open is the Emperor with his power in the Empire? Is he still just a kindly old man to the public?
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I wonder sometimes how much Luke knows about his dad and the immaculate conception and it maybe being because of Sith sorcery.
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The Sith were wiped out 1000 years ago, only Jedi and history nuts would even know about them. And the official party line of the empire is that the Jedi’s magic powers were mythical: even Tarkin figures that Vader is a sorcerer because he was a Jedi, the Sith stuff doesn’t come up at all. “Palpatine is a wizard” is the Epstein island of Star Wars
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