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Wheat Loaf posted:And in the former case, when Lucas was making the prequels, he said more than once that he didn't make the movies "for Star Wars fans", he made the movies he wanted to make and Star Wars fans could like it or lump it. My understanding is that that's basically his whole career. He's always made movies because those were the movies he wanted to see and he wasn't seeing them otherwise from what I gather. So he made THX1138 because he wanted to see a dystopian science fiction film and there weren't many around at the time apparently (I haven't checked) and then he fought to get a Flash Gordon movie because he wanted to see one but when he couldn't get the license he just made his own Flash Gordon type film in Star Wars. Which he also had to fight to get made since the studios didn't think it'd succeed, and that space opera just wasn't in style anymore. Then when Star Wars immediately hit big he turned around and talked Spielberg in to making a pulpy adventure serial. In some ways he's probably the most successful movie auteur of all time. Wheat Loaf posted:I haven't seen Red Tails but I feel like I should if only because it is one of the two major film projects Lucas has been significantly involved with since 2005 (the other being Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, which I believe he wrote the story for but not the script). He wrote the story outline for all the Indiana Jones films, but never the script. He apparently hates script-writing and once described it as "bleeding all over the page", so after writing the story outline for the original trilogy films he had various script writers or novelists re-work all 3 films several times till everyone around was happy with them. Which makes it all the wierder he did all the script writing for all 3 prequel films. They'd probably have been good films if he'd had someone re-work them to jazz up the dialogue and cut or change all the bits that didn't work. By the way, Lucas did a CGI film called "Strange Magic" a couple of years back too. Which is pretty bad from what I've heard.
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ShineDog posted:So the weird comedy alien side characters are a gay couple. Should we clap? That's cool and all but like, make a main and let's be honest human character gay and then it might be worth more than a passing comment. At least Valkyrie will explicitly be shown as gay in "Thor: Love & Thunder", with a focus on looking for a queen given she's the ruler of New Asgard. Said focus making it hard to imagine it'll be swept under the carpet in editing or ditched for time, like previous examples. I imagine there's a good chance Ms. Marvel will be depicted as gay once that first step is taken too, given that she seemed to have a relationship with Maria Rambeau. Presuming they don't tank (which it's hard to imagine they would), it'll probably become more common in Disney properties in general. tsob fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Sep 30, 2019 |
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site posted:this would indeed be an interesting direction worth exploring I'll be honest, it's not something I picked up on at all in the movie when I saw it; but I'm pretty dense when it comes to relationships in general, so I don't find that surprising. I did see a lot of people talking about that read on the characters after the film though, and looking back on it, it makes sense so I wouldn't be surprised if that was the intention and they just weren't allowed to really lean in to it and instead had to keep it subtle. Maria Rambeau is certainly the closest the film came to giving Carol a love interest, and while I wouldn't be shocked if Disney decided to play her straight, there's enough there and enough people came to that conclusion that I also wouldn't be surprised if they went with the decision to portray her as gay either. site posted:Lucasfilm stop with these distractions and confirm the real gay ship already Does Lando own a private barge or something?
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site posted:Oh lol, sorry the joke is ms marvel is a different character than captain marvel, so making her gay too in the mcu would be fun Oh right, sorry, didn't even realize it was a joke and completely forgot that Carol had ditched the Ms. Marvel moniker in favor of Captain Marvel, while bestowing it to Kamala Khan.
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Funky Valentine posted:The general impression is that Jedi were basically just monks while the Sith were underground. That actually kind of makes sense of how "showy" a lot of the Jedi combat was in that era; they had essentially been peaceful monks with a veneer of martial practice, more for zen and traditions purpose than for any real practical purpose, for hundreds of years by that point.
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Vanity Fair posted:Fifteen years later, Filoni, 45, is not-so-jokingly known as The Chosen One, the carrier of the creator’s knowledge. He mixed that mentorship with his own skills and interests to craft the hit animated Rebels and Resistance shows I hadn't thought of that before, but they're the first projects that he's the head honcho on and I don't find either as compelling as Clone Wars; so now I'm wondering how much of Clone Wars was actually down to him and how much was Lucas. I didn't think Lucas was much involved in it on a day to day basis, but even on a conceptual level his influence may have been what tipped it I guess, because it's just a much more interesting and entertaining show to me than either Rebels or Resistance. Of course, it could just be the influence of whoever his bosses at Disney are (Kathleen Kennedy is presumably one, but multiple others like Bob Iger may exert some influence at times) and not Filoni himself, since he would have to make something that would fit within their strictures and Lucas, for all his faults, didn't really care about fitting a story within preset boundaries so much as just making one that interested him and gently caress the consequences. Disney seem like they'd be a lot more restrictive, or at least, more prone to executive interference than Lucasfilm for that same reason too. Maybe it is just the conceptual level though, because a lot of individual episodes of Rebels were about as good as a lot of individual episodes of Clone Wars thinking back on them and it just didn't add up to as much in total. I do think Clone Wars had stronger character work in general and it's wider focus allowed for more interesting action, but then, it had 6 seasons to work with (7 soon), where Rebels only had 4, so it's not entirely a fair comparison.
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Who are Keystone Cops? I recognize that they're an analogue for incompetent, buffoonish characters, but what is it referring to? The only Keystone place I can think of it Keystone City in the original Flash Comics, and I wouldn't have thought it was that well known to be such a shorthand for that archetype, given most Flash stories are in Central City with decades, rather than Keystone City.
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I've never much cared about customization honestly, since it often goes hand in hand with "play it YOUR way" style games and I'd just prefer to have one solid, defined character and style of gameplay; rather than a vague character who has to fill every variation and gameplay that does a little bit of everything, but most or all of it to a mediocre degree. More characters could be non-white males, but I'd prefer to have them be that one thing than customizing it to suit me, personally. Because I'll just end up vaguely sliding a few bars to make it look kind of different and see what it does, and then selecting pretty much the default anyway. I'm not an artist, and I don't want to have to pretend to be before I can play a game.
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teagone posted:Lol. I'm probably in the minority here, but I much prefer the older, pre-reboot Tomb Raider games, where you'd enter a new region and there'd be a slow pan across the area before you'd have to puzzle out how to connect different bits together and reach the other end. With a little light combat thrown in on top for good measure. I'm not hugely familiar with Aphra outside the Darth Vader comic, but from what little I have seen of her I'd think that style of minimalist combat that focuses more on pitting the character against the environment would suit her more.
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Shbobdb posted:Proudly reading franchise genre fiction and comic books does make you a loser baby, yes. Almost by definition. You're right, adults watch it. Completely different, and absolutely more grown up.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Anyways, I really enjoyed Mandalorian, and I am enjoying Filoni's work. Hopefully his cameo becomes a pilot for x-wing minis About the only thing I know about Poe is that he's an X-Wing pilot, having skipped Last Jedi and Rise because I didn't really care for Force Awakens (and don't care about any of the movies all that much, honestly, original trilogy included), but if Disney uses Poe to launch a new X-Wing show or game that takes at least some inspiration from the Rogue Squadron/Wraith Squadron books then I'll be all over that poo poo.
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Shbobdb posted:You see her falling in a cave. It was a send off. TV isn't always literal, some images are metaphorical. You are awful at watching tv. Were you confused during the Joker? Some being the important word there. You have decided it was intended to be metaphorical because it suited a narrative you preferred, even though there was no other indication at the time that it was true or false and are still insisting that it was intended to be metaphorical even when there is evidence to suggest otherwise. Just because it could have been metaphorical does not mean it was metaphorical, or was ever intended to be metaphorical. Sometimes a person walking down some stairs is just a person walking down some stairs, and no deeper meaning is intended. Not unless you think creating uncertainty about whether a character is alive or not and fueling fan discussion and interaction is a deeper meaning at least.
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Rocksicles posted:Ahsoka made Anakin a good character and i'll die on that hill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UwklEWJvmg Even with the lovely, half done animatics this is still one of my favorite scenes from Clone Wars, and is (was, I suppose now) a really good cap to Anakin and Ahsoka's relationship as well as some fun foreshadowing. I don't know if all the plans for season 7 have been released yet, but I'm really hopeful that this arc will be part of the show because between this scene and the scene of Anakin showing off with the guns after his lightsaber has been taken it's a really fun arc. I'd love to see the arc about Ahsoka's first steps as a non-Jedi exploring Coruscant's underworld too.
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tribbledirigible posted:Ezra: Like normal?!..But maybe with two U's, to make it cool. You mean "Luuke Normal"? Except Ezra is pretending to be one of those Skywalkers, that uses the Force to help guide Hyperspace stuff. So he'd be Luuke Skywalker to most people. Let's throw an umlaut on there too, just to be cool and not at all conspicuous. Luüke Skywalker. There. Perfect. tsob fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Jan 7, 2020 |
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tribbledirigible posted:Eh, close enough. Oh, wait, I know what you meant. He'll be "Lüuke Solo", because he has no people.
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Dawgstar posted:It's interesting how much the post plays the long odds and the short odds. The stuff that it's super easy to guess are the things like there could very likely be Chiss because we had Thrawn and if there's a new Chiss then it might be related to Thrawn. That's logical. Also if we were bound to get the Rakata mentioned at some point in the new canon because people still like KOTOR. Then it becomes required to have your daily salt intake. Weren't there rumors for ages about someone making a KOTOR movie trilogy? I wonder if there'd be a new KOTOR game if they Disney do recanonize the Rakata.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The new batch of leaks this week was that Project Luminous, the upcoming multimedia project, will be covering the High Republic. It’s an era that spans ~300-400 years before TPM and has already been mentioned in the Dooku novel. Supposedly the project will cover many different characters and stories but the main one will be a group of Jedi traveling into the Unknown Regions. It's been years since I've played the KOTOR games, so forgive me for this dopey question, but is that the (rough) backstory for Revan? Just on a much closer timescale than the one the KOTOR stuff used? Which makes more sense really, if it is. I always found it weird that if you went back in time 3,000 years or whatever KOTOR was to the original films, that you basically had exactly the same society, with similar tech levels, similar ships, similar weapons, similar droids etc. It made the Star Wars universe feel very static.
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howe_sam posted:If we're talking the full Disney+ release schedule, there's also Loki coming out this summer and mayyyybe Hawkeye(s) later in the year as well. I'd say it's more likely we'll get Ms. Marvel before Hawkeye, since there's a trailer of Ms. Marvel, and while it is mostly the crew talking about why they like the character and the actress who'll play her reacting to news she got the part there are snippets of actual filmed content in the trailer, like her talking to her father at the dinner table, her in her room with a poster of Carol or her talking with a friend in front of what seems to be an early costume she cobbled together and then talking to the same friend on a rooftop. It's only ever a few seconds of content, and not a full trailer by any stretch, but considering all we have of Hawkeye is casting and some set photos it seems like Ms. Marvel is definitively further along in the process. thrawn527 posted:Marvel is only not a cash cow at the moment because they didn't have any movies out in 2020. The moment they start again, I have no doubt people will flock to them again. They're the biggest movie franchise in the world. One of the biggest things in Marvel's favour is that Disney has enough money in the bank they can sit on projects they consider good for the cinema for years if necessary while the pandemic plays out, and have them ready to roll out the second people start to feel safe to take advantage of a desire to do things outside their homes again. Most other studios need to start pushing stuff out the door asap to make some money back, so a lot of their content is being pushed to streaming services just to make some money back off it and fill in the financial hole a bit, giving them something to play with for future projects etc. As soon as lockdown is over though, you can guarantee people will want to go to the cinema. I'm not even a big film guy, and it's one of the things I'm looking forward to doing once lockdown is done. Disney can just wait till then, after which they have a slate of movies primed to go between Black Widow, Shang-Chi and Eternals and if things go longer, they can start adding Thor: Love & Thunder etc. on to that list too. With one rolling out in to cinemas a few weeks after the last finished it's run. People will be so desperate for a cinema experience that it's likely it won't matter what they're seeing, just that it's something shclocky that takes advantage of a bigger screen and speakers than they have at home. Which Marvel is basically perfect for. Dune, Fast & Furious 9 and a few others out next year might be that too, but the rights holders for them can't hold on as long, and even if they do manage to hold off it's still only a small amount of competing big films that could hold out that long to cover several months of next year, and maybe in to 2022. Marvel will have so much content, so little competition and so much time that they'll basically be big by default, most likely. tsob fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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jng2058 posted:Hawkeye is filming right now. There's been leaked set photos and everything. I mean, that's what I said. Ms. Marvel might have more visual effects work to do, but it's not some gargantuan task that its going to take months to slave over. Even shows with lots of VFX work, like The Good Place, could turn around a season in a year, from start to finish. Ms. Marvel has already obviously been in production with months to say there's any filmed footage at all. I don't think it's going to another year+ to get a finished season, even with more visual effects to create than other shows.
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Funky Valentine posted:Look, if Sheev called it the "7th Galactic Empire", it might suggest that his version will end about as well as the other six. Maybe it's more of a royal name situation. Yeah, there's been other kings and queens before, but none called this exact name, so he's George the First or what have you. Sheev had the first empire named that, rather than the first empire of that size.
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Larryb posted:Ah I see, I only watched the series recently so I wasn’t sure whether it was a network issue or if they did it intentionally I don't honestly know why they did it, but I've always enjoyed it and thought it added to the "fog of war" that you never know where the story of the first season or two takes place chronologically, and that we sometimes dip in to stories at odd points. It makes the war feel bigger and more confusing to me, which puts you in the shoes of the characters involved a little more intimately. I don't know if it was the intention, but I like the effect regardless.
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DurosKlav posted:Im sure I'm in the minority but, can we get a show without a kid element? Clone Wars, Rebels, Mandalorian, and now this. Filoni really loves this story hook. I'm not sure it's his mandate, so much as Lucasarts and Disneys. Ahsoka was also barely a kid under Filoni, and even in the first season I'm pretty sure she was treated as an older teen. She wasn't actually that age, but narratively she might as well have been because she was just another combatant for the most part if I recall. That was certainly the case once the show got it's legs under it. Same with Erza in Rebels really. Also, Favraeu was absolutely the one dictating the kid in Mandalorian and not Filoni, and that was at least partially because the show was basically space Lone Wolf & Cub. Just because Filoni was involved in it's production does not make it his decision.
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Moon Slayer posted:And let's be honest, it's not like Star Wars was ever an adult series for adults. Did any of us ITT not get into it as kids? Does mid to late teens count? I'm sure I was aware of the existence of Star Wars as a kid, but it wasn't till I played TIE Fighter on PC and read some of the EU books that I became a fan. I've also never really cared about the movies, and haven't seen a third of them. I've seen the three original trilogy movies, but fall asleep almost every time I've tried watching them, saw both Phantom Menace and The Clone Wars, but was bored enough by the latter I never even bothered with Revenge and checked out on the new trilogy after finding Force Awakens entertaining in the moment but kind of boring and derivative upon thinking about it for a few minutes as soon as I left the cinema. I also disliked that it basically shat all over the original trilogy character's lives in order to reset things to s similar status quo for the new cast. As such I've only ever really enjoyed Star Wars for some of the games, books, comics etc rather than the mainline films. Some of the data books, like the Complete Guides made for interesting reading too.
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thrawn527 posted:It seems Disney is dumping every bit of Star Wars content they have...except the full Holiday special, and theatrical cuts of the OT. I have read that Lucas included clauses in the sale to Disney that they could never decanonize the prequels or release theatrical cuts of the original trilogy. I've no idea how true that is, bug I wouldn't be surprised if it were. I don't imagine they'll ever put up the Holiday Special, just because I doubt there'd ever be demand for it.
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Waffleman_ posted:The question is if there would be enough demand to go to the trouble and expense of clearing song and celebrity rights. I hadn't even considered them, honestly. I'm not sure there's enough demand to justify hosting it regardless of rights, because while the hard drive space and bandwidth to stream it out aren't going to be much, they may not be enough to justify their tiny cost. Which I'd presume is why Netflix for instance gets rid of some content every month; beyond the stuff they lose rights to.
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Handen posted:And now with all of that out of the way, which of you nerds wants to throw down with me and admit that Masters of Teras Kasi is the best Star Wars game ever made? No? Nobody? See, we don’t have to agree on everything. And I think that’s loving beautiful, man. I love you all. I haven't played Masters of the Teras Kasi in 25 odd years and I'd never call it the best Star Wars game ever or anything, but I did actually enjoy it at the time and find the hate for it I often see online as "worst Star Wars game ever" quite strange. It is, at worst, a generic 3d fighting game from what I remember of it. I enjoyed it regardless though, both because I mostly enjoyed Star Wars for a couple of the books (the Wraith Squadron books especially) and video games (X-Wing and TIE Fighter mostly at the time) and never actually liked any of the movies all that much, original trilogy included (I fell asleep almost every time I tried to watch any of them) and because it was a game my friend at the time and I used to play often since we were two nerds with few other outlets for that kind of thing beyond each other. The few memories I have of Masters of the Teras Kasi are both of us loving using Force characters so we could do the lightsaber throw, which was broken to two people who were unremarkable at fighting games in general, and finding it hilarious to play as Gamorrean guards beating up Darth Vader and poo poo. Plus, thinking the idea of a martial art specifically created to fight Jedi was cool. I'd actually be interested in playing it again someday, even though it looks like refried poo poo looking at screencaps.
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Handen posted:I memorized half of the most overpowered combos in the game and lost at least one friend when I spammed him with Vader’s sabre throw. We both definitely did this to each other on occasion, when we wanted to be complete dicks. I feel like Luke and Mara Jade had one as well, but maybe it was just Vader? Handen posted:Did you get the feeling that the ring fighting scene between two Gamorreans in one of the first episodes of Mandalorian (maybe S02) was a direct callback to Masters of Teras Kasi? Because I sure as gently caress did, but I haven’t found any direct confirmation from anyone on the production team to indicate whether that was their intention or not. I haven't watched beyond the first few episodes of The Mandalorian yet :shh: I probably will at some point, but it's not a major priority for me, by any stretch. This is the first of the Disney+ Star Wars shows I've watched as it aired at all, and probably the first I'll finish (having watched only a few episodes of the vignette cartoon).
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Not to be insensitive to Americans on the forum and in the audience, but the two don't even seem comparable, even putting aside the fact the kids (a) aren't killed and (b) are never even directly targeted. One is an authoritarian army busting down the doors to specifically kill some peace keeper magician/monks on the orders of someone much higher up as part of a major revolution in society/power, while the other is generally lone attackers killing all and sundry to lash out at the world. If Disney put a warning on Star Wars because "it has kids in something like a school in indirect danger" then they'd basically have to start putting warnings on everything; not least because mass shootings are so common in America, so there'll always be one somewhat around the release date of any new projects in perpetuity even if they restrict it to new releases only and not sticking one on every Harry Potter and basically their entire animated oeuvre.
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teagone posted:Why would anyone use the in-universe lore as means of comparison to a real life tragedy. It's not the context of some silly sci-fi story, it's the triggering images. It's because, from an outsider perspective, the imagery isn't all that reminiscent of the real life event since it's not a school and none of them are hurt or killed. I raised the in universe lore because anyone watching is probably watching it with that lore in mind given most people will be fans of the franchise, and Vader's presence in the plot. And also because at some point you have to draw a distinction or else you'll be putting warnings on anything that ever features kids in danger given the rate of mass shootings in America. Which is a lot of Disney's content. No Mods No Masters posted:It costs nothing and inconveniences no one to put a warning on it, arguing against it is pretty insane to me It's the privilege of living in a country with little to no gun violence, I guess, but to me it comes off fairly similar to all those executive edicts 20 years ago about how cartoons couldn't show any weapon that kids could use in real life, utter the word kill etc. So every cartoon antagonist had to talk about "destroying" their enemies and shoot Fisher Price laser guns. The original intention behind it was probably good, but at some point it becomes over zealous. Which I think sticking a warning on anything with kids being in the vicinity of gunfire is. I Googled it to see if anyone was even complaining about it being triggering, rather than complaining about how it could potentially be triggering out of curiosity, and there's news stories about Disney adding content warnings anyway, which don't appear for me as a non-US resident; so I wonder if maybe they're just localized to the US?
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nine-gear crow posted:I want a Star Wars What If...? show that has everything turn out fine for the Skywalker family so we can see little force sensitive Leia big sister bullying little weenie Luke while Anakin and Padme just stand in the background chuckling. I wouldn't mind seeing Star Wars: Infinities animated, just to have that scene at the end of, I think it's Empire Infinities of Yoda calling Palpatine to give him one last "gently caress you" as he rides the falling Death Star to Coruscant to drop it on Palpatine's head. Edit: 
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Isometric Bacon posted:Though if you asked me what I wanted out of this series, a confrontation with Kenobi and Vader would be pretty low on the list. Star Wars has a horrible habit of rehashing itself again and again or retconning stuff for lame reasons. (How many times has Darth Maul come back now?). So I figured another matchup would just cheapen the ANH and the end of ROTS. I generally enjoyed the episode too, and loved that Obi-Wan's reaction to this big, tense fight with Vader was to just...run away. It was one of the highlights of the episode to me, because it's both a pretty funny inversion of expectation and because it really rubs in just how low he's fallen. I loved him staring at the lightsaber beforehand too, wondering if he could or should use it. Which makes it kind of disappointing that when he does turn and flee Vader, that he just sedately jogs away and then activates the lightsaber with no real drama or emotional conviction anyway. The rest of the scene doesn't really live up to that beginning, beyond Vader grabbing him and dragging him through the fire. Which is brilliant, though again, undercut by the immediate aftermath. Not just Vader and the Stormtroopers being perturbed about a little pool of fire they should be able to walk through with their suits without issue, which Vader could probably snuff out using the Force anyway or which they could just walk around but because the female agent being there at all seemed kind of weird to me, both because she abandoned Leia to go back (which just seems like a stupid decision) and because she ran back through a hallway that Reva was implied to be running up and the two never met. Sure, sure, you can reason it out as being "Reva just went to the spaceport via another route rather than the underground railway" but the scene as shot suggests she went down the hallway so it just comes off awkward. The fact Vader tosses Obi-Wan in the fire and drags him around does kind of gently caress with the whole "when last we met, you were the Master and I, the apprentice" thing too, but frankly, for a good scene I don't care and the show is welcome to tramp all over canon if it makes for good TV in my opinion. I do think the fire thing would have worked better as part of a second confrontation after Obi-Wan simply ran from this one though, though that means another Vader fight and the Inquisitors feeling even more incidental or Vader catching Obi-Wan basically immediately without the chase and with a better execution of him escaping afterwards. That said, a lot of the episode leading up to that like Obi-Wan fixing the droid and realizing there's more of a Rebellion against the Empire than he thought etc. were nice regardless. It just feels like maybe Reva should have been the only Inquisitor in the show, beyond maybe interacting with one other in a minor scene in the Citadel on the water planet to emphasize they are an organization, because they feel kind of pointless. Not even unthreatening, which the rest trying to be fussy office workers who think Reva is out of line helps emphasize, but just kind of pointless, since Vader will obviously have a greater role going forward. Nodoze posted:Luke wasn't considered special because he was the son of the chosen one Was there even anything about a chosen one in the original films? I'm not a huge fan of the films, but I thought Obi-Wan wanted to train Luke because he was Vader's child, rather than because of any prophecy? Luke manages a lot in A New Hope, but he ultimately fails despite his power in The Empire Strikes Back and he ultimately loses in The Return of the Jedi and it's Vader who actually defeats and kills the Emperor. Luke's great contribution was to believe in his father, not to be a particularly powerful Jedi. tsob fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jun 6, 2022 |
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:Maybe it's just too much oldEU viewing of Luke, but I agree his main reason for triumph was believing in his father, not just powerhousing through everything. Doesn't mean he wasn't powerful by the end though. Oh, I don't think that Luke wasn't powerful; just that his power was not what saved the day in the end. Nor does it do him much good in Empire Strikes Back. Actually, I'm not sure being a powerful Jedi actually saves the day in any of the 3 movies for Luke, because even the climax of A New Hope is just him listening to Obi-Wan's force ghost and firing some torpedoes. Which is predicated on the Force itself, but doesn't really seem like it's that much about power so much as faith. His power sometimes got him to places, or helped him survive long enough to do something but his power was never what actually clinched anything in the films. About the biggest win he gets in that regard is saving Han, and even then, Jabba manages to set him back and it required a good bit of help and wasn't really about any kind of overwhelming power. He mostly just swung his lightsaber good. The use of the Force was mostly just in charming his way into Jabba's audience. Although, I suppose, that was back when using a lightsaber was implied to require some use of the Force in and of itself in some undefined way. So you could say that alone was impressive. tsob fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jun 6, 2022 |
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teagone posted:TLJ did the cool thing by acknowledging that manifestation of power could happen to anyone, even a person who isn't descended from some powerful bloodline. The original movie's entire premise is that it could happen to anyone, including some scrub farmer nobody on a backwater planet. The second movie tied Luke to his father, but that wasn't part of the original movie and he still wasn't part of some bloodline of powerful Jedi as such until the prequels came around. The prequels also introduced a metric tuck ton of powerful Jedi besides Anakin, none of whom are established as part of any kind of dynasty to my recollection and several of whom defeated Anakin at various times regardless of his power and any prophecy regarding him. Not to mention that at no point in either movie trilogy did Anakin or Luke defeat Palpatine in open combat. Vader did kill Palpatine (temporarily) at the end of the original trilogy, but he only managed it because Palpatine didn't consider him a threat any more and it still cost him his life to do so. Palpatine, who had sat next to the Jedi council for years and kept his power from all of them, as well as being able to engineer the downfall of the entire Galactic Republic, his own resurrection from death etc. All of which makes him come off as more powerful than any Jedi, including Anakin. And who is never established as being part of some powerful bloodline either, so far as I know. Which is ignoring all the powerful Jedi and Sith established to exist in the old EU, and quite possibly the new one, most of whom started out as unknown pissants from the back end of nowhere too. The Last Jedi's establishment that Rey came from nowhere is only different if you ignore the context of basically everything preceding it, and only concentrate on specific bits of lore established in later films. Which, if we're going to do that for them, then we should also do for Rey, since she's heavily implied to be Luke or someone's daughter in The Force Awakens (and possibly has training because of it; even if she's forgotten much of it), and more importantly, established as Palpatine's granddaughter, and thus a descendant of a powerful bloodline herself in The Rise of Skywalker. As well as part of a prophecy apparently, since the whole Force Dyad thing is part of a prophecy according to Wookiepeda; though I've no idea if that's in The Rise of Skywalker or just supplementary material. Also, weird quirk; Chrome's spell check apparently recognizes Jedi as a legitimate word, but not Sith. You'd think it'd be both.
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teagone posted:Sorry, guess I should have been more specific. TLJ did the cool thing by acknowldging that anyone who isn't related to a Skywalker or Palpatine could be the protagonist with immense force talent in the complete Star Wars™ media franchise including the prequels. Until something else changed it. Same as basically everything else in Star Wars.
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teagone posted:Ignoring TROS is canon. A lot of people ignore the prequels and sequels too.
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