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Eiba posted:I think that's a kind of interesting contrast. Does Obi-Wan believe that, since Anakin wasn't the chosen one, Luke must be? That puts him in a pretty grim and hopeless position: the galaxy is just irrevocably hosed until this kid grows up. Anyone trying to actively do anything? You've got no hope of succeeding, just give up. That's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure why Obi-Wan would think Luke is the chosen one, and not Leia (other than 1977 reasons?). I thought it would have been more interesting if they played up the angle of protecting Luke is so important that nothing else can jeopardize it. Like instead of running into the young Jedi refugee Obi-Wan and Owen witness the showdown in the cantina and the tension is Owen being worried Obi-Wan will intervene and Obi-Wan being tortured by the fact that he can't risk Luke by revealing himself.
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Xenomrph posted:Got this in the mail over the weekend, it’s a signed oversized card from 20+ years ago. Nice! I absolutely loved this game when it came out. Still have my cards.
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I just watched the first episode of Stranger Things S4 and it is pretty jarring how much better the production values are. It also has more interesting characters and a better story. As someone whose favorite character in the original trilogy was Obi-Wan Kenobi, it really pains me to say that. I wasn't even really that excited for Stranger Things, I enjoyed last season but I'd kind of forgotten about it.
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Jerkface posted:I understand the sentiment but I kinda disagree? Their publishing unit is building entirely around a specific time period distant enough in the past to be its own thing. The main star wars TV shows predominantly take place in the post-ROTJ era. Their planned movies are apparently either distant past or post ST. I mean Andor is about the formation of the rebellion, which is at least an interesting topic. I don't think its navel gazing at all. I can understand Disney's reluctance to the go charging into the future, the Sequel Trilogy wasn't exactly universally loved, to put it mildly. Full disclosure: I HATE the sequel trilogy. And while it's fun for some people to write people like me off as angry nerds (or worse, racists/CHUDs) I think Disney feels the safer play post-Mando is to stay within a stones throw of the time periods the fan base has more broadly been enthusiastic about. I would too if I had spent that much on the IP.
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I said come in! posted:I have to believe that making the sequels terrible was on purpose. But maybe someday we will get the tell all interview that explains exactly what happened. I think it's really just the Dunning-Kruger Effect x Theranos x Disney Money. E: Also Snoke was just a Wish.com quality knock-off Emperor like nearly everything else in TFA and ROS. Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Jun 5, 2022 |
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teagone posted:I watched a handful of episodes from the new seasons of Stranger Things and The Boys this past weekend. The gap in quality between those shows and Obi-Wan is so hilarious but also frustrating, because clearly Disney could be throwing way more money behind Obi-Wan but instead were like "nah." Lol. 100% this. Stranger Things makes Obi-Wan look like a 90s syndicated cable show in terms of production values. Also, it dunks on it in terms of storytelling and characterization. It's better in every way despite the cast of Kenobi trying their best with what they've been given.
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Vintersorg posted:How did that thread go? It seemed like it kept devolving into tankie chat.
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SWTOR cutscenes look better than this crap. I really, really wanted this show to be good but I just can't ignore what I'm seeing anymore. Reva might be better if she had some dark side corruption going on, but overall it's just not working for me. She was fantastic in Queen's Gambit, so I was looking forward to her being in this but I'm just not feeling it. The speeder effects sure were something. Hahahahahahhaha. How did anyone see that and sign off on it? What is with this show and really awkwardly placed security checkpoints in open spaces? Instead of roving security droids, why not have remote cameras? Exterior wall strength versus interior doors (as was already pointed out). This show is just dumb. Person Risking their Life to Rebel Against Empire: I can't help you. Obi-Wan: You don't know what the Empire is capable of. Person Risking Their Life to Rebel Against Said Empire: How dare you? They murdered my wife, jerk! Oh BTW, you convinced me, I'll help you now.
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Klungar posted:Am I reading too much into things, or does Obi-Wan’s plot thus far mirror his arc throughout the Prequels and Original Trilogy? Episode V: Imperials attack a Rebel base with AT-ATs. Obi-Wan travels to Dagobah to visit Yoda who tells him he is not ready to confront Vader yet and that if he rushes off to face him he'll risk everything. Then he ends up seeing the Force ghost of his old master and they have a tense conversation about stuff he told him while he was alive. Episode VI: Climactic battle. Reva redeemed. Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Jun 9, 2022 |
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I think that’s the case with CHUD YouTube disliking a lot of the Kennedy era Star Wars stuff. The employees crossing out Luke in pictures was a bad look. They gave them plenty of ammunition. E: I was wrong about Hidalgo. I removed that part. Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Pablo Hidalgo was actually making fun of the people who were making fun of the guy who broke down crying at the sight of Action Figure Luke in Mando, trying to come to the guy's defense. The crying guy misinterpreted it was Hidalgo making fun of him, because he's a big time bad faith YouTube douche, and sicced his legion of fans on Hidalgo like a bruised ego rear end in a top hat would. You're right, I was wrong. I edited my post. Full-Disclosure: From my gateway drug of videos like "Mark Hamill Tried to Warn us About the Sequels" I eventually started getting a lot of questionable Star Wars YT videos in my suggestions and ended up watching way too many of them because I hated the sequels and really enjoyed watching other people bag on them. It's annoying that the Venn diagram for people that hate the ST and internet racists has so much overlap because I think TLJ and ROS deserve every bit of mockery and derision they get.
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I actually ended up listening to an interview he did while researching my retraction and anyone that got their start working at West End Games starts off good in my book.
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Darko posted:Why is TFA not included in that? The whole trilogy is messed up with only TLJ having a spark of becoming something before it doubles down after the throne room battle. I thought TFA was serviceable. It had flaws but also had some promise and I don’t get angry just thinking about it. I don’t disagree about Disney having figured out how to use racist fans to deflect criticism. It reminds me of plays in basketball where the shooter jumps almost sideways into the defender while shooting to get a call.
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The only way I can imagine that scene would look okay to someone would be if they had never seen Empire Strikes Back. The scaling looks insanely off. It looks like a 1/4 scale model of a T47 except it can't be because we know there are normal sized humans inside of it. It doesn't fly like T47s do in Empire. Sure they can kind of hover when they are taking off, but every single other shot we've seen of them, they fly like airplanes. If they could hover, why didn't they hover when they found Han and Luke during the search and rescue mission. That shots is the same level of terribleness as the shark crashing through the window in Jaws 3D. It would be shameful in a 1990s video game.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Why everyone is mad about this black lady/character in Obi-Wan? As far as the actress goes, as others pointed out, she was great in Queen's Gambit. There are a couple reasons the character of Reva doesn't work for me personally. First, she seems to break the mold from Star Wars villains in a few subtle ways. Generally, Star Wars uses "British accent" for Imperials and generally dark side users are kind of physically disfigured looking (dark side corruption). Reva doesn't have either. Also, from what I know about the Star Wars universe, in the Empire, humans are privileged, and aliens are looked down on and discriminated against. But the interactions Reva has with the main inquisitor dude has it the opposite. I have a guess as to why, but I won't touch that with a 10-foot pole. The main reason, though, is that I wanted a show about Obi-Wan and Darth Vader. I don't want significant story time devoted a brand-new character I don't give a poo poo about.
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Imagined posted:One thing that makes me vaguely uncomfortable with the Disney era has been the way they've tended to try to make the Imperial forces more ethnically diverse while also leaning hard into both-sidesism. I liked it better when the Imperials were straight up racist, white supremacist Nazi analogues played by the same British actors who played Nazis and villains in other movies. It's like they want to make being a fan of the Empire and identifying with them just as valid and marketable as the Jedi and Rebels, and not in a way that says 'I recognize the Empire are the bad guys'. More in a way that suggests they want to make Imperial iconography marketable to the same people who put Punisher skulls on their lifted pickup trucks. I realize this is as much an outgrowth of post-9/11 'there's no such thing as good guys' but it still feels like gross capitalism -- "We have to have marketable heroes for everyone!" 'Book of Boba Fett' is more of the same poo poo. Here we have a guy who works for Jaba the Hutt, who Darth Vader has to specifically order not to disintegrate Han Solo, turned into a big cuddly bear. This isn't new to the Disney era. When I was 5 I was an Imperial Stormtrooper for Halloween because Stormtroopers are totally loving cool and badass. My favorite toy was the AT-AT walker for the same reasons. General Veers and Admiral Piett were portrayed as being competent military professionals, nothing more, nothing less. It's not unique to Star Wars either. Even before they were heavily "redeemed" a lot of Trekkies really liked Klingons. I think you can make the argument that it is pretty normal for sci fi and comic books, which is part of the attraction of escapist entertainment. If I see a dude with a Thanos t-shirt I don't assume that he wants to kill 50% of life on Earth IRL. Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jun 14, 2022 |
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Q: how does the force work? True but in the hands of competent writers that respect canon and the ground rules of the universe they are working in, it enhances the story rather than distracts from it, and it is pretty intuitive. That type of internal consistency is what separates a good and cool fictional universe from one that is a waste of time.
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thrawn527 posted:But we didn't see her train with electronics! How can we possibly be expected to just ASSUME she knows how to do these things! This, but not sarcastically. When I see a little kid doing something like that, I do think it should be setup by the story rather than just a really fortunate coincidence that a character has EXACTLY the skill needed to resolve the roadblock they are facing. They could have solved it very easily too, just by have had her sneaking away to go mess around at the spaceport or in the Organa droid repair shop or something, instead of climbing a tree to watch spaceships. She could have had to travel through the woods to get there if they were married to the idea of the exciting forest chase with Flea and his merry band of uncoordinated mercs.
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galenanorth posted:Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create food from poop. He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from pooping. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many hamburgers some consider to be unnatural. You should be spoilering the season two plot.
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If Vader (and other jedi) can force pull ships around why did he decide the rebel starfighters had to be destroyed ship to ship in ANH? He should have just gone to the viewing lounge and force pulled the rebel ships into each other/the trench walls. Oh yeah! Because the clowns making the ST thought it would "look cool" if Rey did it and now it's a thing.
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Necrothatcher posted:I feel a bit sorry for people who get genuinely hung up on "why didn't X logical thing happen" because it seems like a really exhausting way to consume fiction. I don't know. I don't have these problems when I watch: Stranger Things 90% of of MCU stuff For All Mankind The only other show I still watch that frustrates me so much is Westworld.  Maybe it's because I grew up in the 1980s with the OT, and spent my dorky HS years playing West End Games Star Wars RPG and can tell you the difference between a Victory class and Imperial class Star Destroyer. I guess it's my fault for being Comic Book Guy when it comes to Star Wars. I was so underwhelmed by the Sequel Trilogy I actually stopped caring completely. I didn't watch Mando until after it aired and friends insisted I had to watch it. Guess it's back to apathy.
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Thundercracker posted:Holy poo poo was that firefight embarrassing to watch. I can buy individual troopers being caught off guard not being able to hit a single hero, but a full company or whatever pouring it on full auto against rebels standing still in the open and the only shot that hits someone is a trooper getting into melee range. Look, I don't need tacticool poo poo but even the very beginning of New Hope got it right. Just have the rebels be behind cover and the stormtroopers being bad shots but still picking off people here and there through sheer numbers. It reminded me of those videos on YouTube where someone sets up a battle between 50 Captain Americas and 2000 Clone Troopers and 2000 Dothraki and the simulator just fight it out with no regard for tactics whatsoever. I guess it's a function that new screen thing or whatever, but every setting in this show feels like a 1990s video game level where everything seems like it's on rails. Let's have 100 stormtroopers stand in an area the size of school gym!
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It's not like the OT asked audiences to think particularly hard. It's just that there were internal rules in that universe, and, by and large, everyone acted in ways that were consistent with those rules and what was established about their characters. Suspension of disbelief is not a blank check. It's reasonable to ask audiences to believe in space magic. But if the rules of the space magic just constantly change and characters just constantly do stupid things and/or spontaneously develop highly specialized skills that are needed to solve the particular obstacle they are facing that is unreasonable.
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Star Wars TV Megathread: Flea and the meth guys use the same rhetoric
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codo27 posted:I'm mostly turned off by how everyone can just survive being impaled by lightsaber now. I keep thinking back to Sidious revealing himself in Ep3 and how the jedi accompanying Windu were mortally wounded by glancing blows, I'm pretty sure he only cut their robes. Agreed, it's dumb. The problem isn't that nobody force healed Qui-Gon, it's that a lightsaber blow to the body or head should be game over. Force healing can be a thing but it should have high costs and require peace and calm for a while to do, aka not while you still have a Sith Lord to fight.
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MechaX posted:My issue with this series is that the skeleton of this show is not bad by any means, but all of this seems like they decided to run with the rough draft of the script because a lot of pretty minor changes could have made this a lot more digestible than it is This drove me nuts too, thank you for reminding me. WE NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WHEN WE CAN. Should we have this motley crew of civilians and refugees get on the ship so it can leave as soon as possible? NAH, LETS JUST USE AIRLINE BOARDING PROCEDURES AND HAVE EVERYONE FILE ON WITH THEIR BELONGINGS AFTER WE GET THE WORD. As far as the two ships go, call me a cynic but it seemed like that whole scene might have been a middle finger to people for making fun of the Chewbacca death fakeout in....whichever one that happened in. Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jun 16, 2022 |
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This show and Better Call Saul are such a remarkable contrast in the good and bad of making prequels to beloved stories. BCS successfully Introduced cool new characters that were not rejected by fans (including a female one, no less, and Breaking Bad's fanbase had some issues with misogyny) BCS creates genuine tension even though we know when a lot of the characters are going to die, and more importantly when they are not going to die. Like what was the point of Reva threatening Owen? There was no possible way she was going to hurt him and no chance Owen was going to rat out Obi-Wan. I guess it was supposed to show us how smart and dangerous Reva was even though Owen kept his cool and she didn't break him so really she "lost" the encounter.
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robot roll call posted:I think this is why the show is so off. It seems like every scene is in a cavernous chamber or long, wide corridor with very little in the way of set dressing or actual sets. I started noticing this on blade runner planet during the second episode and haven't been able to unsee it since. It all feels very unfocused and empty, just a bunch of oddly spaced out extras milling around. Throw in the other things being discussed like the weird shot framing, camerawork and bland score and you have a show that's just not coming together. I think there is a good story to be told about Obi-Wan in exile coming to terms with his part in creating Darth Vader but this just isn't it. In the 90s sports producers tried to make football broadcasts look more like Madden, maybe they are trying to make the show look and feel like a late 90s first person shooter. If so they are succeeding.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Star Wars tried to move forward and the fanbase threw a tantrum and screamed about it, which is why we now have a soulless AI recreation of Luke that people love to lose their mind over and clap at. It's because they tried to move it forward but they did it the wrong way in the wrong movies. People didn't want "fresh" new characters for episodes VII - IX. They wanted an ending to the saga of the Skywalkers. poo poo, most people would've been thrilled if they just shot the Heir to the Empire Trilogy beat for beat from the books. It was liking expecting you were getting Ghostbuster toys for your birthday but instead of Ray, Egon, Peter, and Winston you get the beleaguered Ghostbusters cartoon version with the stupid gorilla in a fedora. E: Star Wars fans embrace new characters when they are a) good; and b) when they are expecting new characters (Mando, Rogue One) or when they are introduced in support of older characters but don't take up all the screen time (Solo, Clone Wars). It's when they try to force new characters on the audience that people push back and it's not just racists and misogynists (but it unfortunately also is them too, I'm not denying that issue) Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Sorry I was just using shorthand. They started getting everyone out there and pre-empted the racism angle. I think it was cynical of them to do this considering how they had previously treated John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. And while yes there are always going to be really bad actors on the internet and comment sections, I think putting that out there before the series even had aired kinda tipped their hand on the show's quality. The narrative they want to change is that we need to watch and support these actors and this tv show. While also trying to limit people criticizing the bad acting. I can see this. I think the reaction to John Boyega was, sadly, organic, especially because it started based on the just the trailer. With the more recent stuff, the cynic in me really could see Disney consciously drawing attention to racists to deflect and diffuse criticism. Show is tanking on RottenTomato and IMDB ratings? Must be those drat legions of internet racists review bombing again! I'd imagine it also makes actual critics reluctant to go too hard on the show, because after all, who wants to side with racists? A less cynical take is that Kathleen Kennedy and crew are genuinely dumbfounded why fans aren't loving these projects and characters that are so awesome, and inspiring and well written, that it definitely can't be problems with those things so I guess it just must be racism and misogyny then.
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Karloff posted:Also it's a really dumb conspiracy theory: You're saying that Disney hire diverse actors in order to deflect criticism from their shows? That would only make sense if Disney were deliberately making bad shows for some reason. Like they knew it was gonna be bad prior to casting. That makes no sense. It's insane. I don't think anyone is saying they are deliberately making bad shows. They do seem primed and ready to run that play when a show is not well received now, though. Instead of people talking about how bad the show sucks people are talking about how bad the fanbase sucks and anybody that wants to critique the show, especially the new characters, risks being labelled as a CHUD.
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nine-gear crow posted:That's because the people who go "This show sucks because of [list of unpassionate, logical and not racist reasons]" tend to be quiet and boring and don't really need to be refuted because they're just stating opinions guided often times by personal taste. Meanwhile, the people who go "I AM MAD BECAUSE THE BLACK LADY IS ON MY TV SCREEN SAYING AND DOING THINGS, IT'S SO WOKE I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE I WANT TO gently caress MY CAT" tend to be extremely loud and attention grabbing and inspire lots of ire and pushback from all sectors, because they're loving loud, public, brazen racists, and they need to be told to shut the gently caress up and go the gently caress away on the reg, lest they attract even more loving racists. https://thedirect.com/article/obi-wan-kenobi-review-bombed-rotten-tomatoes Last week, Obi-Wan Kenobi opened at a 71% audience score via Rotten Tomatoes. Those numbers have swiftly sank over the past week to a 57% following racism-centered controversy over Star Wars' official response to social media sent towards Moses Ingram. Meanwhile, the critic score for the series has maintained a fresh rating with little fluctuation, currently sitting at an 87% approval rating. This is not the first time a Disney project has been subject to review-bombing. Moon Knight was met with negative 1-star reviews on IMDB due to the premiere's acknowledgment of the Armenian Genocide. Eternals was hit by review bombs due to its inclusion of a gay kiss and LGBTQIA+ representation in the film. Yeah, it just couldn't be because they suck and the ratings are due to fans actually getting to see it and form opinions, it must be "racism-centered controversy." *I don't know anyone that liked Eternals at any higher intensity than "it was okay, i guess" and I've never heard anyone even mention the gay kiss as a reason lol. Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jun 19, 2022 |
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Butterfly Valley posted:If only there were an entire thread full of people complaining about Obi Wan without being labelled racists, I wonder where such a thread could exist... nine-gear crow posted:They are pushing back on this one because a literal horde of white supremacist nerds are harassing one of this show's main actors for daring to be a black woman in Star Wars. Which explanation do you think is behind the bad reviews/ratings, a lot of people think it sucks or review bombing by massive amounts of racist fans? Disney is happy enough to blame the latter, but I tend to think it's the former.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:FWIW, I vastly prefer Disney openly telling racist “fans” to gently caress off, even if it may be performative, vs the cowardly silence that followed after Kelly Marie Tran and Daisy Ridley got literal death threats and Boyega had all the usual nazis and chuds criticizing his every word. I agree with you 100%. I applaud Ewan McGregor for speaking out, I fully support companies clapping back at bigots. Doing the right thing for selfish reasons is still doing the right thing, so credit where credit is due. And in this case, the selfish reason is getting to deflect good and bad criticism in one fell swoop, and that's all I'm saying.
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Valve Steam Deck posted:I like how "ignoring racist and sexist fans and their unrelenting torrent of abuse until it grows and grows and becomes un-ignorable" is now "exaggerating the racism and sexism of the fans who are just smol beans and nowhere as bad as papa disney would have you believe" and "woke marketing" Actually, I almost mentioned that I do tend to believe the Armenian genocide part. I have Turkish friends and have been to Turkey. There are some people there that are truly fanatical about that issue. I would put the number of people that care enough about a black person in Star Wars to take part in a coordinated campaign to tank a TV shows rating on RottenTomatoes to be much, much lower. It comes down to the ratio of true believers versus casual edgelords.
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Hakkesshu posted:Now who loving doesn't know how marketing works? Why would Disney ever be out there saying "yeah dog we made a bad movie sorry everyone". You seem to think that corporations are playing 5D chess with their marketing strategies and depending on racist tweets drawing attention away from bad reviews when this show reviewed really well and continues to do so. There's a big difference between depending on something and being prepared for and willing to take advantage of something, which is, by your own account, as dependable as clockwork. You seem to think audience reviews and crowd reaction always match up. As if there hasn't been a huge divide between critical acclaim and popularity. Jurassic Park Dominion (which actually has pretty strong "woke" environmental messages in it) is currently sitting at 30% critic rating and 78% audience rating. I guess it's getting reverse review bombed by radical environmentalists? Also if review bombing is so easily detectable as everyone in this thread says it is, why wouldn't IMDB and RottenTomatoes just filter out? I'm sure the studio heads would appreciate that? Could it be that in addition to a small band of misogynists/racists voting 1 star, a good chunk of non-misogynist/racist viewers also think these particular projects suck?
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Hakkesshu posted:Why wouldn't Twitter just filter out slurs? Why wouldn't Instagram just protect against targeted attacks? Why wouldn't Facebook just do anything at all about the incredibly harmful poo poo that it is allowing to happen every day? Is this a serious question? Or....what if the overwhelming majority of the bad reviews are......genuine! Karloff posted:Again. Disney's actions have been limited entirely to a tweet in defense of Ingram made after she noted the abuse on her social media and signal boosting a video made by Ewan MacGregor in his car. I define Disney's actions as more than just what the official Star Wars Twitter account says. There were a bunch of stories before the series came out about Disney preparing Moses Ingram for the racist backlash. I agree that it is an awful conspiracy theory that Disney is intentionally making bad products to trigger (pardon the pun) outrage from internet racists, I don't think I've seen anyone in here say that. Just to clarify my views since it keeps getting a little twisted: A - Disney is NOT intentionally making bad shows or creating review bombing. B - Disney IS happy to use racist internet idiots to deflect legitimate criticism. C - Racists/Misogynists 100% should be called out as the shitbags they are. D - Disney doesn't need to do B directly, it has an ecosystem of content creators to do that for them because..... Nodoze posted:the disney bucks flowing into their bank accounts Not directly of course, but they do have incentives to stay in the good graces of Disney if they want early access, access to stars for interviews, etc.. Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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