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I enjoyed The Acolyte quite a bit, especially on a re-watch. The mystery element that was a tad frustrating on the first watch was gone on the second, and instead I just enjoyed the story. And it's a cool story about The Force. I liked the witches, I liked the central conflict. God, I loved The Stranger. And Plagueius?? Maybe. I liked Sol as our protagonist a lot. He's not corrupted, he's not misguided, he's just....flawed. A Jedi of his time. The Dark Side already surrounds them and is strangling them, and they are clueless for the most part. It wasn't perfect for sure, but it was leagues better than the Boba Fett, Kenobi, or Ashoka shows. So I am bummed it's not getting a second season. There were tons of directions it could have gone. Feels like Lucasfilms will learn the exact wrong lesson here: New and different? Cancelled. Established property? Milk it for all the blue milk it's got.
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And the story The Acolyte was trying to tell - that the prequels were trying to tell - is not that the Jedi suck and are just Space Cops (which they kinda do and kinda are....) - is about the dangers of sacrificing your beliefs for power, for order. And power comes in many forms. Serving The Republic was a power that sucked the Jedi in, corrupted them as an institution not because they were EVIL, but because they became bureaucrats. Servants of a system - and that system is power. It can be nothing else. So unless we go way back in Star Wars time, any story about the Jedi will be in some way about their fall. How over the ages they got assimilated into a power structure and then when the Sith had control of that power structure, they had no escape. A lesson for us all, maybe.
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Nov 17, 2024 14:46
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Also, lol I identify as a Jedi (Padawan)
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Nov 17, 2024 15:32
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I wanted to like the Boba Fett show, so much! Alas...
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Nov 17, 2024 16:21
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Parkingtigers posted:I was up for crime-lord Boba, and it would have been cool to see him doing an actual goddamn crime at some point. Just one, as a treat. *Taking notes on crime from the Vespa Kids
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Nov 17, 2024 21:16
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Marsupial Ape posted:All of this, but I am also sticking with my theory that Palpatine is using Dark Side magic to 'amuletize' parts of the Death Star using intentionally cruel slave labor. Tangent: I'm honestly surprised in all the decades of the EU, nobody ever thought to retcon that the Death Star is full of weird Sith sacred geometry and architecture. There's needs to be scene where somebody pulls up the plans to the first Death Star and starts removing schematic layers to reveal that all the internal support structures form pentagrams or whatever. I love this theory! It fits with my idea that the entire Clone Wars was just one big long nonstop power boost for Palpatine. He's got the entire galaxy fighting, dying, and he's in control of both sides of it.... my gosh. That's some straight Dark Side cocaine.
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Nov 19, 2024 18:29
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Marsupial Ape posted:Actual chaos magic. Institutionalized chaos and uncertainty to drive down the morale of the populace while maximizing their anxiety and misery. The vanity, hypocrisy, and self-damnation of your officer class and pet oligarchs is the cherry on top. Yeah, exactly. Using the system to induce The Dark Side....
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Nov 19, 2024 19:22
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Marsupial Ape posted:To bring admitted magical thinking to the text, it's a whole "as above, so below" thing. If the Force is people and people are the Force, then by making the majority of people miserable and desperate then he can make the Force miserable and desperate...thus creating a Dark Side dominate cosmology. lol yes! I am 100% on board.
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Nov 19, 2024 21:38
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Evacuate? At our moment of triumph?!
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Nov 19, 2024 23:41
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I absolutely LOVE that Melshi is in Rogue One and then in Andor, in the prison. Melshi is another great example of how the Empire turned regular people into rebels, because they had no choice.
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Nov 20, 2024 13:44
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I thought that was one of the best parts of The Acolyte: Sol trying to get Osha and her sister to join the Jedi. He's asking - Trinity is going through the motions, but also asking. No one is going to actively take the kids. But, the implied threat is omnipresent. The witches all know it, they know what the Jedi being there on their doorstep means - asking about these kids. Who are obviously super important to them. (I'd also like to add that this world was not a Republic world, so technically the Jedi had no rights to do or say anything, BUT, does the Jedi's authority stem from the Republic, or The Force?) Sol is sincere, he really wants what's best. For the kids and in The Force. And it's important to remember this is all happenstance (The Force). None of the Jedi are there for any nefarious or colonizing purpose - they are on that planet to study a possible vergence in The Force. That's it. One thing leads to the next and it's a disaster, which, again, like all Star Wars stories, is an expression of The Force. No one in this story is actively malicious or antagonistic. The witches are just doing their thing, the Jedi are doing theirs.
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Nov 21, 2024 14:30
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Owlbear Camus posted:Now, if the prospective padawan says 'no' to Jedi training, then the answer is obviously 'no.' But they're never gonna say 'no.' Mae said no.
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Nov 21, 2024 14:40
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Dexo posted:
Sol was certainly flawed, which is another story point I love about The Acolyte. This sincere Jedi who is well regarded, and pretty hosed up. It's a great look into this Institution which dominates our story - and is doomed. The question I keep asking myself in the year 2024: Are we to believe/agree (as viewers) that the Jedi deserve it? Getting absolutely destroyed?
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Nov 21, 2024 15:01
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In addition to The Acolyte, I am also speaking more to a "meta" view of our current pop culture environment, and specifically here, the Jedi. For over 25 years now we've been told in story after story the Jedi were flawed, incompetent, problematic, broken, washed up..... (it's almost as if we are consuming anti-Jedi propaganda) In this mega movie franchise, in which the bad guys win and then it's up to plucky rebels to try and eek out small victories whenever possible. We we're only introduced to them through the reminisces of an unreliable narrator. Every thing we've seen of them on film leaves a lot to be desired, right? Culturally, I wonder about this. When our basic modern fairy tales no longer have "good guys".
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Nov 21, 2024 16:24
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See, we're referring to the Jedi as "Oppressors". I feel like something has gone off the rails for us to get here. In the Acolyte, the Jedi were not there to take the witches down, or on some mission from Jedi Central Command to crush any alternative Force users, etc. Sol stumbled on the sisters fighting, in The Force. He's a Jedi, of The Force. He just followed along, where The Force led. I think we forget that the Jedi are supposed to be beholden to The Force, and nothing else. One could say the Republic gains authority from the Jedi in this respect, if the Jedi represent The Force. And not vice versa. And it is indeed the idea that the Jedi serve the Republic that is the big problem. Not the Jedi themselves.
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Nov 21, 2024 17:25
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Paper Lion posted:except the jedi do also (believe they) have the moral authority as well, because the jedi fundamentally believe that accessing the force in any way other than their way will lead someone to what they consider "the dark side", something they find prescriptively and inherently evil when we know for a fact that it is not.
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Nov 21, 2024 19:35
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Dexo posted:If you believe in the tenets of the Religion of the Jedi sure. Yeah, but The Force lets you lift spaceships and toss aside bad guys. Are we really questioning The Force here?
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Nov 21, 2024 19:57
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Eiba posted:
Great points, thank you. Two counterpoints: It's shown very clearly that Sol stumbles upon Osha and Mae purely by chance. In the world of Star Wars, I'd say this is 100% The Force at work. So the entire story is set in motion by Sol just happening upon the scene, which seems like the very definition of "fate". The consequences of which then unfold for good or ill, but it seems abundantly clear this was the will of The Force. They are there on that planet to study a vergence in the Force. Osha/Mae is likely that vergence. As for the tragedy that unfolds, I'd like to remind how much of it was caused by the Padawan who got mind-hosed by the head witch. Whether he deserved it or not for being there, the fact remains he was unhinged thereafter. So to speak to the Jedi's overconfidence or arrogance seems misplaced when the entire situation blowing up is because the Padawan lost it.
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Nov 21, 2024 20:20
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HootTheOwl posted:God Whyls it! *Yoda nods, taps his cane Also, if you have a problem with the Jedi, let's put the blame where it belongs then: Yoda
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Nov 21, 2024 20:34
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:if you wanna take the events of the acolyte any kind of seriously you also have to engage with the whole 'these kids are artificially created weapons deliberately being isolated from society in a cult compound' thing. the witches literally had the kids swearing oaths of eternal loyalty and literally all the witches but one was against letting Osha choose her own path. Yep. From Sol's perspective, not only are these Force sensitive kids, but there's something shifty going on with the whole thing. And Osha clearly expresses a preference - and not just to Sol, but to her sister and mother, alone.
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Nov 21, 2024 21:02
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Director Krennic's Go Fund Me
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Nov 22, 2024 02:20
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"The work has stalled"
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Nov 22, 2024 19:06
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What did Bix even see in Timm anyways? Besides the good theft potential.
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Nov 22, 2024 22:22
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:where would the setting go if the jedi and the sith just got completely annihilated. nobody left remembers their secrets, their tenets only remembered as vague and inaccurate summaries, their histories reduced to "a bunch of assholes that caused a lot of problems for everyone", but there's still people who figure out how to use the force Those witches in The Acolyte are a good example.
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Nov 23, 2024 00:40
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Rochallor posted:Exactly. If Qui-Gon was really as in tune with the living Force as we're supposed to believe he is, he would have grasped that they had been brought to Tatooine for a reason, and that reason isn't to just take Anakin away from it forever. If he seizes his chance to overthrow slave power instead of just rescuing one person from it, you end up with an Anakin who has a loving and supportive mother, and several less decades of oppression from the Hutt cartel that is the seat of slave power. Note that it's Anakin's daughter who finally ends up killing Jabba and ending the Hutts' control over Tatooine. Instead, he doesn't even mention "oh by the way, Tatooine's still got slavery going on" in his report to the council. The reason was Anakin, full stop. But in regards the conditions on Tatooine, what are the Jedi to do? Liberate the planet? Get the Republic to occupy it? This plot point, IMO, is to show that the galaxy has already fallen to the Dark Side. It's everywhere and the Jedi just don't realize it yet.
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Nov 23, 2024 08:35
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Rochallor posted:The implied corollary to "but what are they to do?" is always "better to do nothing then." It's hollow in the real world, but even more so when the people in question have superpowers and laser swords. Is it the Jedi's fault slavery exists on Tatooine? Is everything the Jedi's fault?
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Nov 23, 2024 13:43
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Marsupial Ape posted:No, but it is their responsibility. How so? Also, I find the dynamic between calling the Jedi "oppressors" for their actions in The Acolyte and calling for them to end slavery on Tatooine in TPM interesting. Like, how does that work exactly? (not that you've said that, but others have).
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Nov 23, 2024 14:05
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:
The Jedi, an order of what, 10,000 individuals, in a galaxy of trillions?
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Nov 23, 2024 15:14
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Arc Hammer posted:Tattooine is in Hutt Space, it's not under Republic jurisdiction. The Republic was so obviously hosed up they could barely do anything about one member state getting invaded by another. And I'd like to point out the brilliance of having The Trade Federation as members of the Senate in TPM. Without any backstory, you should know immediately that everything is corrupt as hell already. Well before Palpatine is elected.
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Nov 23, 2024 15:30
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Paper Lion posted:the jedi are also ideologically incapable of improving anything, because they dont have a constructive or positive ideology at all. they fundamentally believe in nothingness, in the obliteration of the self. no feelings, no attachments, no strong opinions, nothing that could distinguish you from any other person. why would a jedi care about slavery? theyre literally not supposed to. if qui gon showed up and was like "wow this all sucks and makes me sad and upset at what is happening to these people", hed be out on his rear end. they cannot be looked to to improve anything, or defend anything other than their own position. thats part of why i keep saying the dark side isnt real, and certainly isnt bad or evil. the opposite of nothingness is something at all. the dark side is defined by feeling, emotion, opinion, desire. its only framed to us as ambition for power, desire to harm others, etc, through palpatine. vader is only seduced because he desires to help others (mother, slaves, wife, children). he didnt kill mace windu for fun, he didnt ice those kids because it got him hard, it was a regrettable means to an end. Sounds like you are making a serious defense of the Dark Side of the Force. Is that fair to say?
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Nov 23, 2024 22:07
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Droids in Star Wars is a huge issue, but I don't think it has anything to do with the Jedi.
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Nov 23, 2024 22:37
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"Well if droids could think, there'd be none of us here" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Nov 24, 2024 01:51
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End of Shoelace posted:Why was the restraining bolt necessary to invent? Would you have your Roomba just start vacuuming public halls?
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Nov 24, 2024 03:05
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Lobok posted:"Ehh, it's a living" There's worse jobs for a droid out there, I tells ya.
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Nov 27, 2024 14:39
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Larryb posted:Though in Bad Batch there was a clone who had his chip removed but continued to faithfully serve the Empire regardless (until they betrayed him that is) Crosshair? If so, he's a pretty special case.
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Nov 27, 2024 19:32
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Dexo posted:Like I get talking like that about a show that's aired. lol there's a TV commercial to hate!
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Nov 28, 2024 02:40
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I hear so many people say to skip this or that episode(s) of the Clone Wars, or excusing the earlier seasons for being rough, and I'm always like, Dang: I love every single moment of this show. It's like the best Star Wars content ever produced (after the OT of course, but even then...). Like pure Star Wars adventures and actions. Framed by the 1920's style news announcer (WAR! The Jedi finally fight back!). Even the silly throwaway episodes are great IMO. Like, even the Jar Jar episodes. I love it all.
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Nov 29, 2024 04:52
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Something I think a lot of Star Wars fans forget is that EVERY story set in this fictional universe is about The Force. And how The Force operates, shapes and changes and favors this or that. It influences every nuance of every plot point. Star Wars IS a story about The Force. Everything else is playing its part.
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Nov 29, 2024 06:39
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I was of two minds with the Martez Sisters: 1 - there's only so much show left, why are we doing this?!!?!? I suspect this was many people's frustration. 2 As a Lower Levels Star Wars story, I love it. I love the whole idea of focusing on two sisters trying to get by on Corascant.
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I hope there's a Space Mall
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