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Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

They should have had the Emperor's message interrupt the title crawl. It would be dumb and cheesy, and audiences would have utterly shat themselves.

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Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Dexo posted:

Jedi(Individual): Generally mean well and can be heroic, especially during the era post genocide where there is no institutional structure that can be easily rotted.

This show showcases what happens when well meaning Jedi at their height step in it wrt to customs they are unfamiliar with.

Jedi(Institution): Almost entirely shown as a bad thing, who have lost their way from their purpose and become too entwined with Republic politics. And essentially completely turned into Space Cops. They got easily manipulated against their character into war. As well as stuff like you know allowing Slavery.

Like George textually in the prequels thought the Jedi Order as an Institution was bad and lost their way.

This show is just clearly showing a part of that road to them losing their way.

I quite liked Yord as an example of Jedi-rot. Yeah he means well and is occasionally noble and heroic, but he's also kind of a douche. Especially with how he throws his weight around on the Trade Fed ship to get Mae.

My biggest issue with Sol is how he dives comically head first into obsessing over making Mae his padawan, especially as that would seem to contravene how jedi are supposed to behave.

Ep 7 didn't feel like a demonstration of the flaws and arrogance of the Jedi Order, it felt like a demonstration of how Sol is a loving idiot. The previous flashback episode landed a lot better for me, because while Sol blunders in and makes a mess of things, he's doing it mostly by the book.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

LinkesAuge posted:

His existence and that he has to and CAN hide is the best argument FOR the Jedi or would anyone argue that it would be better if people like him could just be out in the open?

My favourite thing about Bortles' writing is how he's technically correct about most things, but also full of poo poo. It's a great way of showing the seductiveness of the Dark Side.

"The Jedi will come after me, they refuse to let me exist" Yeah, that's fair, seems reasonable for you to defend yourself....hang on you sent an assassin after them!

"she was a child!" "you brought her here" Yeah, that's fair, it's messed up of the Jedi to use child sold....hang on you loving attacked them! You're the one who murdered her!

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Madurai posted:

And I think we all knew Lonni wasn't going to live through the show, from the moment we saw him on that elevator.

I love how Luthen is dressed and framed exactly like a Sith Lord in that scene. Feels ready to bust out a red lightsaber at any moment

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Jewmanji posted:

Am I having a Mandela moment that at some point in Andor you learn/see that the equipment being built on Narkina 5 is Death Star parts? I just rewatched Season 1 and didn't see this, but maybe I just turned my head at the wrong moment.

Post-credits teaser of the final episode.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

nine-gear crow posted:


It's an approach that honestly would have helped the Sequel trilogy a lot, just leaning heavily into the idea that Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo Ren, but especially Rey were all instruments of the Force and the Force didn't just awaken, it reached out and grabbed all four of them by the neck and went "Listen up, shitheads, we've got work to do."

Andor really feels like it ties in better to TLJ and stuff like broom-kid rather than "you have to be one of these two magic families", yeah.

Yet another thing we can add to the list of "why Duel of the Fates would have been so much better than tRoS"

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Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

skasion posted:

The Acolyte was ok with one really good bit (big rear end lightsaber melee where Manny kills everyone). Mostly just too slow. It was 8 episodes long lmfao, could easily have been half the length. Most unnecessary Rashomoning

Darth Bottles is my perfect idea of what a sith lord should be. Creepy, sinister, and his arguments are persuasive and seductive, but he's still full of poo poo.

Like the conversation that's pretty much
Sol: "she was a child, you murdered her"
Bottles: "you brought her here"

And I'm nodding along sagely, you're right Mr Sith Lord, it is messed up that the jedi put a young padawan into harms way and....wait a second youre still the dude who murdered her.

It's so good.

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