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Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019
So after sleeping on the Han Solo (:A STAR WARS STORY) movie for years I finally decided to give it a watch. I was kind of curious because I'd heard a lot of genuinely mixed things about it, people saying it was god awful and also people saying it was pretty good. Also as a star wars nerd I felt kinda weird there was a whole live action movie released in theaters about the star wars I'd never seen before.

My over all impression: I enjoyed it! The cast was great, I thought Alden Ehrenrich did pretty well as a Han Solo, Donald Glover was great as a Lando, and I don't completely hate Emilia Clarke like a lot of people seem to. My complaints is I didn't really like the L3-37 stuff, playing the droid rights stuff as a joke wasn't a good idea imo. Also the Maul cameo at the end was a bit too much. I'm a big star wars nerd who watched star wars cartoons so I already know all about maul and his criminal empire shenanigans so I don't object to him showing up at the end like a lot of people did, but he should have kept his hood on and not twirled his light-saber around just let the fans recognize him from his very distinctive voice acting. I don't know if I'll re-watch it any time soon but I was entertained for the duration of the movie.

This got me in the mood for more star wars so I finally started diving into some of the TV series I'd missed, starting with ANDOR. Wow! All the praise is well deserved, and more. I'd actually recommend it to people even if they don't like the star wars, it's just flat out good! Definitely will be rewatching this season at some point, and I look forward to re-watching Rogue One at some point and seeing if Andor changes my opinions on it at all (said opinions being: pretty good movie but characters being under developed holds it back from greatness). Hope season 2 is able to deliver the same level of quality, and tbh kinda glad the show doesn't seem to be overstaying its welcome. Small detail I like is how the show portrays all the fascist true believers as just the most maladjusted weirdos.

Not having heard anything good about it, I just now finished going through the Obi-Wan KENOBI tv mini-series. Heard a lot of bad things about this one and, well, I can't say it's a good show. But at the same time it's existence didn't completely offend me like Rise of Skywalker did. I thought the show actually had a lot of neat ideas in it and the overall story was good, just a lot of the actual execution had issues. Cinematography was rarely great, some of the writing needed work, and giving so many lines to a child actor was a poor decision on the part of the showmakers (though props to the kid, they asked a lot of her). I actually liked the character arc for the inquisitor though I was extremely skeptical at first about the decision to have her get to Tatooine in the end. Toward the end the show really started to get the problem a lot of modern star wars has where traveling through space doesn't seem to take any time (and this is Canon but I don't like it and want to pretend it's not :colbert:). I rate it like "a decent enough star wars comic book turned into a tv show"/10.

Next up will probably be Ahsoka which I'm kind of looking forward to because over the course of Clone Wars and Rebels she became one of my favorite EU characters. At this rate I'll probably give the Boba Fett show a watch too (aside from the couple of episodes which tied into Mando which I already watched as part of that show)

Lazy Fair fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Oct 20, 2023

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Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019

Lazy Fair posted:

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Ok I watched and finished Ahsoka, quite enjoyed it. A show for Star Wars nerds though, imo, not really a general audience.

I thought the plot pretty fantastic. Finding Thrawn was a good story hook, they put in enough hurdles around traveling to the far away galaxy to keep the setting from breaking in my opinion, and I was really curious to see Thrawn's place of exile. I was really skeptical about Ahsoka training Sabine when I heard about it, but ended up liking it quite a bit. I absolutely hate the idea that force powers are some sort of genetic gift, it goes against the whole philosophy of the force as presented. The idea that Sabine is not "Force Sensitive", and never would have been selected by the old masters for training, yet does so anyway is both good for the setting, a good individual character beat, and tells us a lot about the potential flaws in both the old Jedi order and the Sith. You can now tell stories in star wars about young prodigy Jedi who coasted on natural talent and failed to live up to their potential, and also Jedi who never had any natural talent but achieved things through struggle and perseverance.

Casting was great, no small feat for translating an established cast of cartoon characters. Ray Stevenson (RIP) was fantastic as Skoll, his loss is a tragedy, and its also disappointing he didn't get more screen-time in this season. Great performances all around imo, though some of the actual line writing could use work at times.

Some fantastic audio and visuals, particularly in the ep where Thrawn shows up. I thought the kintugi troopers were a great look.

Weakest part of the show was the action, they really failed to establish stakes to the action and and main character plot armor was on full display.

Though Ahsoka and Sabine's adventures with space witches is just like extremely my jam.

Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019


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Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019
Thrawn is space Sherlock Holmes.

He frequently makes fantastic leaps of logic no human could reasonably make, which are often correct by authorial fiat. This is because the character is supposed to be a super genius, but the author writing the character is not.

As originally written by Zahn, Thrawn is portrayed as a genius strategist who makes a dangerous foe to the New Republic, but also one who's ultimately his own worst enemy because he's not quite as super-humanly smart as he thinks he is. As previously mentioned, he's prone to missing some crucial detail which proves his undoing. He's also a man of the material world, moving troops and ships around his galactic chess board, in a world where a supernatural force dictates fates. He's never really able to fully grasp the force, or understand that force users and their influence cannot be fully quantified and accounted for. On paper he's able to conclude that he needs his own weird space wizard in his arsenal, but in practice he's continually put off balance by his inability to understand or control C'baoth who is powerful and has his own mysterious agendas.

These books were mostly read by children, who often remember Thrawn as the infallible military super genius who should have won instead of what he really was: The intellectually brilliant villain, but deeply flawed character, hoisted by his own petard.

Lazy Fair fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Jun 30, 2025

Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019
I recently finished up watching Bad Batch and quite enjoyed it. Reinforced my growing opinion Filoni is really an animation guy rather than live action. I've enjoyed seeing the Star Wars animation teams develop since the early clone wars days, and I hope they get to keep on doing more animated projects.

Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019

1st AD posted:

Jennifer Corbett is the showrunner for Bad Batch, not Dave Filoni.

I don't know the details of the production, but he seems to be heavily credited on it. I'll keep that in mind, though!

Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019
I thought the Ahsoka show handled the mystery of Thrawn's exile pretty well . Whats he been up to in another galaxy for 10 years? He's trapped in an empty system since he has no hyper-maps, this foreign galaxy largely remains a complete mystery, his ship is barely holding together, and he's struggling to keep his remaining forces fed, equipped, and organized.

Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019

feedmyleg posted:

Yes. And it makes him a boring loser who has accomplished absolutely nothing

Many sci-fi writers would have given us reheated Yuuzhan Vong slop with Thrawn having conquered the other galaxy and now paving the road to conquer the New Republic.

Its a good down to earth answer to the scenario, I like it.

Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019
I liked AMCA's take on Mara Jade in that she was basically nowhere near as important as she thought she was. Like she thinks being hand of the emperor was a high ranking position, but she was basically just a messenger. She never made real decisions, or had actual authority entrusted to her or respect/fear from people within the Empire who did have all that.

Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019
I don't think Thrawn would really cultivate competent officers in his command. He runs an army like he's playing an RTS game, with soldiers and officers being disposable, interchangeable, and expected to do exactly what they are ordered to do at all times. If anything, creative officers who are able to think independently are something he'd probably hate because they'd become less predictable and more likely to throw off his grand plan with a dozen moving parts. I can imagine some tenacious young officer succeeding at a seemingly impossible scenario might leave Thrawn fuming, because their unit dying was all part of the plan.

This is also largely true of the Empire its self, and the greater theme of star wars with the Empire vs the Rebellion. The strong but brittle imperial war machine falling apart against a weak but flexible insurgency is very much the point.

Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019

nemesis_hub posted:

What makes the complaints about racism in the Prequels even sillier is how badly Finn’s character is portrayed in the Sequels, but with much less performative outrage from the wider fandom. People do complain about Boyega being screwed over, but it’s not as widely or passionately discussed as the idea that TPM is super turbo racist.

A black protagonist (who is directly compared to an animal on screen in TFA) who mostly just follows around his white friends being frightened is more offensive to me than blue and orange aliens who have accents I’ve never heard before.

The way the cast of the ST got done dirty by both the fandom and Disney nearly killed my love of Star Wars.

None of the ST movies are really free of sin on this front, but Rise of Skywalker in particular was weirdly racist.

Finn is completely sidelined as a character, the pretty heavily foreshadowed Finn as a Jedi plotline is abandoned and replaced with absolutely nothing. Any possibility of a Finn/Rey romance is completely excised from the follow up movies, to the point where you will never convince me otherwise that some sort of executive at Disney wasn't terrified of interracial relationships and issuing mandates. At the 11th hour in RoS a new, racially appropriate love interest is introduced for Finn. And then to make things even worse, right before rolling credits they reveal she's Lando's long lost daughter, because apparently Lando has a daughter and Lando has to be an absent black father.

The fact they assembled a new cast of such talented actors with such great on-screen chemistry and completely squandered and mistreated them to the point where like none of them want anything to do with star wars anymore is a crime.

Lazy Fair fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Jul 15, 2025

Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019
Awards shows are always a joke, but acting like Andor got robbed with 14 emmy nominations is nuts to me lol

The show is getting it's well deserved critical recognition

Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019
Why do so many fans act like Filoni has some sort of beef with Andor? I've never seen anything that indicates there is.

:confused:

Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019

Dexo posted:

Kennedy had to protect it because during that Time Disney was cutting budgets of loving everything and Andor was expensive as poo poo.

Yeah the show cost like 600 million dollary-doos.

Doubtful Andor itself will recoup that but it was necessary to revitalize a franchise which had burned a lot of good will.

I have no doubt the finance types were howling about it behind the scenes though.

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Lazy Fair
Sep 23, 2019
Ahsoka leaving the Jedi order is a fantastic character moment which really made me like the character a lot.

It's rough in places, but the clone wars cartoon managed to sell me on Anakin being a tragic fallen hero figure which the movies never did. Just going off the movies the dude always had bad vibes and doesn't feel like much of a hero. But Clone Wars actually shows us him having meaningful relationships, and a big part of that is having not just Obi Wan around but Ahsoka as well.

I'm a little dissatisfied with Ahsoka's portrayals in the post prequel era, in that it feels like they're writing her in the Jedi mold. She was raised by them, but her most defining character moment is walking away from the order so I feel like it's a missed opportunity to depict her as a jedi who is not a Jedi.

I wish we got more Ahsoka and Ventress hanging out in the courscant undercity. That premise practically writes itself.

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