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Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

HerzogZwo posted:

SMG usually does a pretty good job.

But I agree, pretty much every YT "critique" video is hot to luke-warm garbage.

I'm trying RedLetterMedia's now, and at least they start off with a Salo :120 days of Sodom joke.

they explicitly call out the squid game actor's acting and general action in the show to be above average.

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Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

2house2fly posted:

I get that the political messages shown in Andor are fairly anodyne (nobody's going to say "we have nothing to lose but our chains" in the next three episodes, I'm sure) but the show going out of its way to portray the protagonists as undocumented refugees, and to portray a victim of rape sympathetically, is aligning itself against the right wing as explicitly as you probably can without having a character look at the camera and say "fascism is the immune response of the capitalist body to the threat of socialist liberation"

lol

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Well, that’s the issue I was talking about - of everyone seeing themselves in Andor. While there is a truth in every narrative, the earlier posted tweets where idiots compare the Ghorman massacre to the Jan. 6th Capitol riot aren’t fully ‘wrong’.

Like, Jan 6 people are right-wing, so how could they be against the police? Isn’t that a contradiction? Are they just insane? No; they - not inaccurately - saw the police as agents of liberalism. And liberalism bad.

The Ghorman Front is not necessarily left-wing because, while it is largely made up of bellhops and weavers (plus small-business owners and politicians…), being of working class is not automatically class consciousness. The stuff about the foreign power stealing the resources is, like the undocumented labour plot point, purely exposited and kept offscreen - and MAGA folks are of course against such ‘foreign influence’ anyways. China!

Truth is that nothing you’re talking about prevents right-wing appropriation of this narrative. Rape? Right-wingers make an effortless distinction between ‘violent rape’ and a ‘nonviolent rape’ that’s ‘just harmless fun and doesn’t count, and everybody’s just overreacting to me.’ Violent rape is what the other, inferior, bad people do - and because that’s very useful to believe, you hear that from right-wingers incessantly. Comet Pingpong!

What’s missing from Andor is that word capitalism. In both the story arcs that we’ve had so far, we’ve seen class truces where small business owners and their employees work together against what’s presented as an external threat. In this sense, the most politically radical moment in the Ghorman arc is when the bellhop mentions that that the management prohibits him from talking about ‘politics’ with guests.

class doesn't exist in star wars because it is american media. If you want worse made shows with significantly better political nuance you can watch cdramas that take place during Republican era (term for dramas). The CPC in that are essentially jedi.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

HootTheOwl posted:

Wilmon blapped her and he liked it

understandable. Rhydo has made him obsessed with blondes.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
the closest thing to an actual principled revolutionary is saw and hes insane lmao.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
dont like the star wars cartoons except the gennedy tartakovsky ones because all the 3d ones have horrible animation and look bad in motion when you compare it to the stylized art from the samurai jack guy.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
oh yeah, Cinta is technically the actual assassin who goes and ties up loose ends.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
Favorite glup shitto? I liked the wheelchair bound alien thats basically just a wrinkly shawrma.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
wow, Rogue 1 fits as snug as a usb cord into the end of andor.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
I think that choosing to start a family doesn't make bix any less of a person.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

3 posted:

It really annoys me to see people complaining about Bix's arc in this season as specifically her "lacking agency," when the conclusion of her story specifically revolves around her refusing to let Cass dictate her decisions unilaterally.

the more you act like a stereotype the more agency you have. This is called commanding your own space.


Parkingtigers posted:

Just going to say it, episode 10 was a better The Last of Us story than the currently flailing The Last of Us S2.

Whats wrong with tlou2? I liked fallout significantly more because it was not pretentious.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Arglebargle III posted:

I honestly think the sequel trilogy was so bad there's no way forward without a clear-throated decanonization.

:same:

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
https://x.com/Darren_Mooney/status/1922567446570905860

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

2house2fly posted:

She literally isn't a person, she's a character in a TV show whose actions are dictated by a writer. When people say they don't like Bix living on a farm with a baby, they don't mean it's bad for women to quit their jobs and have kids, they mean they don't like that this character was written to do that

why is it bad for this character to raise a family instead of being a rebel all day?

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Snooze Cruise posted:

people who are critical of the bix storyline: this is tired and obvious.
people who defend it: this isn't sexism. it isn't sexism to want to raise a baby. too many tv shows have women being badasses.

people who are critical of the bix storyline: Why are andor and bix having a crotchspawn? I am posting this to r/childfree
people who defend it: drat, I am happy that part of andor lives on in his kid.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Snooze Cruise posted:

you made that up. people do not say crotchspawn, you came up with it. go to hell for making me read that. die vile troll.

:smug:

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
You know, in real life revolutions, a lot of the truest believers straight up stay behind to make lives better in the new society they are building. The villagers who aided the NLF in south vietnam weren't checking out of the struggle. They were staying in the struggle. Of course being real people unlike bix caleen, they stayed and built families during and after the war so that their children and children's children could live in a less horrific social order.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Andrew Verse posted:

The question to ask is, what did Bix do for the Rebellion? In that one episode where Luthen visits at the safehouse, it's implied that he's had her do some kind of assessment jobs, which sound fairly paperwork-y. Yeah, she'd been on the field with Cassian on some occasions and did the Gorst job, but she doesn't strike me as the field agent type. Whatever she's doing for the Rebellion, especially while pregnant, she could probably do from the farm.

again, technical expertise is at a premium because you have someone with actual training and ideological sympathy with the cause. Its not as sexy or cinematic as doing the blapping but its arguably more important.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
too much collateral.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Hollismason posted:

Haha holy poo poo the internet tells me that season 2 of Andor cost 290 million dollars.

money well spent.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

I think it's kinda telling that, in this Disney-made left-ish show with a lot of iffy politics and ideological poo poo to unpack, discussion is exclusively focused on whether this one female character is inspirational enough.

its not left-ish. Its an aesthetic of the perfect revolution. For all the rebellion believes in it can be one of those color revolutions in terms of ideological coherence.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
mon calamari should have the saiyan naming scheme.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Sash! posted:

Vader turning that hallway into a laser blender is one of the best scenes. In the three full movies you get Vader in, he does a whole lot of standing around before squaring off against someone powerful enough to actually beat him. You never get to see what makes him an actual, terrifying murder machine.

jingling keys.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

George posted:

How did people's Rogue One rewatches go? I rewatched it slightly before S2 started and was actually pretty disappointed. It's the same characters and the events make sense but the script just doesn't Have It like Andor and it was tough going back to that.

cassian is a much more interesting character now because he isn't just a scofflaw. Of course it makes jyn erso even more of a babby.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
yeah post andor the sequels seem even worse now.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
theres' real world examples as well.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
yall

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Socialism

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Galaga Galaxian posted:

Her name is Panlo IIRC? She shows up in Bad Batch supporting Senator Chuchi’s various clandestine/rebellious activities so at least she’s had skin in the game from the early days of the Empire.

Can’t remember what’s the deal with the other guy. All I can remember is he’s the rebellion’s “minister of finance” and comes from some agri-world. His contributions are apparently mostly money and food. Definitely seems like a bit of a spoiled type, unlike Mon.

pamlo. Or as everyone calls her, Liet Kynes.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Hollismason posted:

People all weird that Bix didn't stay with a obviously damaged Cassian and instead just leaves because she's done her part for the rebellion is weird.

Like Bix got a happy ending. If she had stayed with Cassian it would not have worked out.

Cassian's a cold blooded murderer. He has to die because people like him , Luthen , and Saw are detrimental to the Rebellion. You're not going to restart a government and have someone like Cassian or Luthen around.

Luthen , Saw, and Cassian are all pretty much the same character. Dedra as well. Dedra is fanatical about the Empire and it leads to the Empires destruction. The same thing would have happened if Cassian and Luthen had lived to be a part of the rebellion.

how are cassian and luthen detrimental to the rebellion lmao. They find out about the death star.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

HootTheOwl posted:

I thought AI vader was just a few canned lines they used AI to assist with, not actual chatbot that is only a few days out from saying the N word.

hey hes talking to goku about the dragon balls.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
https://x.com/SomeRandomDyl/status/1923360651113611536

Incredible things are happening in star wars.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
luthen should have learned from actually successful revolutionaries and used a hand grenade.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjjT5d_ZIgo

Corridor digital did a quick breakdown of andor among other things and its interesting.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
IRL equivalents of lonni were generally welcomed into the new regime.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

friends and I were joking about the operation paperclip haerings the new republic would have

Like

"so you're saying you were part of the rebellion because you were bad at your job....?"

its less about that and lonni's best expy was the gaggle of CPC members and spies in the KMT who regularly kept the red army supplied with intelligence. Its perhaps the weirdest thing. Luthen is kinda like a free for all information broker for different anti-empire actors but he isn't directly aligned to anyone until the end.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Cojawfee posted:

The remasters will be higher visual quality, because the 4K77/80/83 movies were built from the best quality theater prints they could find. And because they are theater prints, they also will have the markings in the top right that tell the projectionist to load the next reel if that were to bother you. Other than that, it's what people saw in theaters back in the day. The versions on Disney+ have every dumbass thing George Lucas added to the movies like Han talking to Jabba in the hanger bay, including them moving his body up to make it look like he stepped on Jabba's tail. The Greedo shot first poo poo. The "weesa freee" scene when they defeat the empire. And it will have prequel Anakin as a ghost instead of the original guy.

lmao, all those jarjars.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
wack that andor is really not good at assassinating people. No wonder luthen uses him to smash and grab things.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Jehde posted:

Even SMG likes the cartoon. I don't know if this is actually in favour or discrediting to Rebels, but watch the drat cartoons everyone.

no

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Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Flesh Forge posted:

it was also a thing Ewan MacGregor famously complained about all the time until he started looking at how much loving money he was making and he shut up about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2002/oct/23/features

he was sprung for the receptionist geonosian?

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