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Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
Jizzwave.

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Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

Thundercracker posted:

Holy poo poo was that firefight embarrassing to watch. I can buy individual troopers being caught off guard not being able to hit a single hero, but a full company or whatever pouring it on full auto against rebels standing still in the open and the only shot that hits someone is a trooper getting into melee range. Look, I don't need tacticool poo poo but even the very beginning of New Hope got it right. Just have the rebels be behind cover and the stormtroopers being bad shots but still picking off people here and there through sheer numbers.

It's really hard to take the Empire seriously as a threat when they're this incompetent.
The implication is that Vader would've triumphed if he'd brought like 25% more stormtroopers with him. Is Palpatine indifferent to Kenobi and putting the Inquisition on a tight budget? How expensive are those probe droids?

Necrothatcher posted:

I feel a bit sorry for people who get genuinely hung up on "why didn't X logical thing happen" because it seems like a really exhausting way to consume fiction.
I guess there's some reason Vader spared Reza's life twice, and I'm also guessing that they haven't actually written the reason yet.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

Everyone posted:

Well, that last part's a bit of a reach. Anakin never struck me as someone who gave much of a poo poo about larger entities/organizations either as a Jedi or as Vader. He was always focused on those relatively few people with whom he had a genuinely close connection.
In the first film, Vader's been working to wipe out the Rebellion for years. And as far as he knows, his whole family is dead. How is it personal?

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
Maybe this is too dorky, but the premise of the last episode was just too dumb for me. By which I mean: a battleship is chasing a little freighter, with all its forward guns concentrating on blowing the freighter to bits. And the people on the freighter are debating how they're going to get out of this for like 20 minutes. I had no idea Star Destroyers were so lovely.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

BIG HEADLINE posted:

You want to know how you fix the clusterfuck that was that duel?
I like your idea.

CelticPredator posted:

Reva wanted to kill luke out of revenge to hurt obi wan for not being there to save her or something

Yeah it’s a stretch.
I assumed she was going to kidnap Luke to use him against Vader, or use him to force Obi-Wan to help her against Vader. Instead of what we got.

CODChimera posted:

obi wan put a tracker on vader, that's why he didn't kill him
That would at least be a callback to their training flashbacks, instead of Obi-Wan just outclassing Vader by invoking the Power of Love.

That DICK! posted:

yeah but finally we got to see how leia got her trademark holster from return of the jedi. i remember thinking as a kid during return of the jedi, why's she wearing that? where'd that come from? sure enough, 40 years later, disney delivers
Han's dice, Leia's holster. I assume we'll eventually get a Luke show where we learn how he got his signature, trademark, iconic binoculars.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

GarudaPrime posted:

Depends on how long out in time you care about results. It's arguable that by sticking to the Jedi code and showing mercy, he lays the first brick in a foundation, one which Luke can eventually finish that brings Anakin back to the light and frees the galaxy from Palpatine.

mcmagic posted:

So Obi Wan is basically responsible for everything Vader does after this point in time huh?
Kenobi spares Vader because Yoda gave him the same advice he would later give Luke: I know Darth Vader's really got you annoyed, but remember: if you kill him, then you'll be unemployed.

site posted:

i wish vader yelled "intensify forward firepower!" like that guy in rotj because i always found his cadence funny.
Keep firing, Assholes!

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
The first scene of the first Star Wars movie is Leia's corvette getting chased down and stopped by a Star Destroyer because it's clearly outclassed.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
I will say that there's one very good thing in the Obi-Wan show: the mole guy. I think this is the first time Disney Star Wars has even contemplated why an ordinary schmoe would support the Empire. In live-action, anyway.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
Qui-Gon's job is to go around threatening to assassinate powerful people if they don't change their economic policies. As an individual, he can absolutely do something about systemic injustice

This is why I don't read any of the books or comics or consider them "canon," not that that's a real thing. Most of the time they seem to be apologism for the worst or least sensible parts of the movies.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

CelticPredator posted:

I hate babu frick
You hate White Power Bill Darth Insanius.

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Jul 14, 2022

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

Ironslave posted:

Stuff like this is my major heartburn when it comes to trying to discuss the Last Jedi, and it reminds me a lot of the kinds of discourse I saw twenty years ago around the Phantom Menace. Where it isn't enough to say you personally didn't enjoy the direction the movie went, but that it must be objectively bad. Instead of discussing things like characterization, story structure, and messaging, instead plotholes are invented from half-remembered moments in the film, diegetic justifications are spun out of whole cloth about how based on this or that EU property this even would totally work or not work, and--as others have already said--people suddenly become incredibly critical of small points, blowing them out to essay-length discussion when they wouldn't have given the same level of minute scrutiny if this or that scene had its sexes reversed.
For me, the ultimate example of this is from the PT, where nerds interpret "bringing balance to the Force" as meaning an equal number of Sith and Jedi. Like, imagine telling someone you're looking for a work-life balance, and they get out of their chair and scream YOU WANT TO WORK TWELVE HOURS A DAY?!?!

When it comes to reading sex/gender/political conflicts into the ST, my mind always goes back to the "little white cuck ball" meme and it reminds me that the whole conversation is usually completely insane and not worth getting involved in on either side.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
That's true, although Idunno that it was the whole point. Short-range fighters are a thing, and the Empire has plenty of capital ships. That said, training your pilots to be suicidally loyal and then just throwing their lives away seems like the kind of terrible strategy that Palpatine would embrace because it's funny.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

Megillah Gorilla posted:

They're also ridiculously hollow.


The bomber has a flashlight and a laser sight mounted, very cool.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

So everything's already a disaster, and then it turns out the baddies have instantly tracked down the Resistance with a new technology called "active tracking". (Note: Hux had already employed some kind of tracking technology in the previous film. That's how they were able to locate the Resistance in the first place. Although Leia says it's "impossible", tracking is actually extremely easy in the ST.)
They shouldn't have let her use a private email server.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
The Old Republic lasted for thousands of years, and about 20 years pass during the PT. Palpatine's empire lasted for about 17 years if I remember right, and 4 of those years are the OT. Then the ST starts over 30 years later, and the whole narrative is contained in less than 2 years.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

Bogus Adventure posted:

Incidentally, the First Order canteens started serving up a killer risotto shortly afterward...
They took out Comet Claqball and Naboo-Style Pizza when they blew up Coruscant.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

2house2fly posted:

why didn't she tell the plan to a dumbass loudmouth who was talking poo poo to her
Because his life depends on it? He's not, like, whining because she told him to clean up the office microwave

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

Bogus Adventure posted:

Remember when the First Order blew up a planet that looked an awful lot like Coruscant from the ground, everyone was like "They loving blew up Coruscant?!?" and then LucasFilm came out and said that wasn't Coruscant but some no-name planet called Hosnian Prime. Also remember how Finn was able to see the destruction of a core world from the surface of Takodana, located in the Mid Rim?
Wait until you hear about Jakku!

The funny thing in all this is that they had no qualms about blowing up Ilum, but Coruscant was going too far.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

You don't need supplementary materials to understand the plot of the ST. If anything, it badly confuses the matter, since Disney is using the comics as a source of continual flagrant retcons.

The simple answer to why the First Order is around after the Empire is destroyed is that it's not the Empire. They use similar clothing and equipment, but so did the Republic back during the Clone Wars. The truth, as shown in the films, is that the First Order is a political party within the New Republic, similar to the Separatists and Loyalists in Episode 2. They bought their equipment from the same New Republic arms dealers that Leia did.
The other funny thing is that this is apparently backed up by all the stupid tie-in novels.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
I'm bad at videogames, but I had some fun with it, for something designed to be multiplayer.

If you're wondering how it plays into the larger story: right before Palpatine died, he had a bunch of resources moved to the Unknown Regions (where Exegol is) instead of using those resources to stop the Rebellion from killing him. So that kinda explains the fleet on Exegol. After he died, he had a failsafe set up to bomb some of the most loyal Imperial planets, for no reason. The idea is that it was punishment for failing him (because they didn't build enough ships to stop the Rebellion and literally bury a fleet in the rear end-end of the galaxy). But c'mon, it's Sheev. He did it because it was funny.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
I've been rewatching Xena, and I don't think it would be possible to do a conservative version of it. At least, the whole last half of the show would be Gabrielle proudly raising her rape baby, instead of a series of shenanigans that serve as a proxy for Xena and Gabrielle getting married.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
It just occurred to me that there is absolutely no reason for Palpatine to persecute "Force sensitives," since it's well-established that Force talent is inconsequential without intense training.

I guess this is another thing Palpatine did to undermine his own Empire because he thought it was funny.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

Owlbear Camus posted:

And finally knowing where they are and eliminating/computing them gives him a fresh supply of Inquisitor goons to put in weird l hats.
It makes the most sense to me that creating a mockery of Jedi is the actual point, and persecuting mutants just gives them something to do.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
One of the problems with Disney Star Wars is that it's a franchise about violent revolution but none of the good guys are allowed to be the kind of people who would ever take part in a violent revolution


Edit: See also Boba Fett, the crime lord who doesn't smuggle drugs or hire enforcers to collect money from his nonexistent rackets

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Oct 6, 2022

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
In Rebels he's just an rear end in a top hat to a bug man for no reason. Lame.

It's rather weird to think of a professional revolutionary as an accelerationist.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
No handrails, and those little steps look very unsafe. No wonder the crewmen wear their helmets all the time.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

Owlbear Camus posted:

She says openly in this exchange that she sees him as an investment upon which she expects a return, not a cherished child to whom she owes an obligation to nurture. Nothing he can do will please her long term. When he says he got a promotion this does mollify her, but there will be a regression to the mean if he doesn't ladder climb.
I really like the part where she tells him that having his suit tailored makes him look desperate and weak. That's the kind of completely insane poo poo that Boomer parents will make up out of thin air, and then pretend is common sense that everybody should know.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
My spouse is convinced that Dedra is secretly a Fulcrum-style double agent. I have my doubts.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
My expectation is that they'll eventually do the EU thing where the villain is a never-before-seen fleet of totally evil aliens from beyond the galaxy. That way they can make movies with all the classic Star Wars imagery and cliches without having to deal with any of the themes of the Lucas films.

There will be an intergalactic war, and it will revolve around maybe 5 of 6 people. The trilogy will be a bold and powerful statement about the importance of friendship and believing in yourself.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
Everyone should, of course, watch Space Sweepers, the best Star Wars film since Rogue One

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

G-III posted:

Or people can just accept that the narratives are intertwined. It's just nerd imposed bullshit that a show with a specific title must always be supported only by things with its title when interlinking shows/movies have been a thing for decades. If folks seem confused, they can just go watch 2 episodes a few clicks over in the very same subscription service that they're already paying for. It's plainly a dumb thing to bitch about but bitchy online nerds gotta be bitchy online nerds.
It's actually extremely lovely that a lot of media is just advertisements for other media and doesn't function as a story.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
The issue I had with Booka Boba is that it's pitched as Boba Fett becoming a "king by his own hand" a la Conan, as a crime lord. But then, because Disney Star Wars demands unambiguous good guys fighting nebulously defined Evil, he often acts like he doesn't even know what "crime" is. He refuses to traffick drugs and is bemused by the notion that he can hire thugs, with money.

Edit: I thought the Dances With Massiffs parts of the show were the best. It's a rare example of Star Wars EU "filling in the blanks" around something, in this case the Tusken Raiders, without going totally sideways on the original concept for no reason.

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Feb 23, 2023

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

Neo Rasa posted:

Also how at the end when everyone's been dealt with and him and Fennec are for real in charge and he's just like "this life isn't for us"

.... what?
I mean, based on the events of the show, clearly not.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
Apropos of nothing: It's funny how they give not-guns to the child characters because gun-toting children and Disney don't mix.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
Idunno, I mean Cara Dune aged badly in a very short amount of time

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
SPACE COMBAT MANDO

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

HootTheOwl posted:

I just assume it's like dune and peeing in the suit just accepted
The best place to store your Mando is in your body.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
I think the reason they didn't move to another planet in the same system is that they're proscribed by the Empire.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
Apologies if this came up before, haven't been around for a while: Mando got disarmed and captured, and Bo Katan had to save him, even using the Darksaber to do so. Does that not make it hers by right? Given the way it's changed hands before, I never got the impression that it had to be taken in some kind of formal one-on-one duel.

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Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
I don't like the idea of magic swords in Star Wars, so I guess it works however Mandalorians agree that it works. Or maybe the sword has a mind of its own.

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