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hi yes I agree nat20 is a bad mod, which is why I will play this
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Sorry, I mean I'm a Nat20 aligned serial killer
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Oct 10, 2018 14:08
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Podima posted:If it’s real mafia I withdraw my signup.  
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Oct 11, 2018 18:27
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Bifauxnen posted:of course this is real mafia, just like Nat is a real bad mod hmmmm strong point
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Oct 11, 2018 22:08
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N0 cop on pod, he scum ##vote Pod
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Oct 13, 2018 01:30
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I have received another n0 cop on Asiina, reading “cult”
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Oct 13, 2018 05:04
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##vote Pod
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Oct 13, 2018 20:29
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Pod probably has a post restriction, but it’s an annoying one, so
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Oct 13, 2018 20:31
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Asiina posted:This is bad. Also I realized my pre-game vote didn't count so I'm free!! My role would make me depressed to use because I don’t like arguing, so by all means, feel free?
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Oct 13, 2018 20:39
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I wonder if Nat randomized any roles, or just came up with stuff for everyone and then gave it to them
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Oct 14, 2018 01:35
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chaoslord posted:Hm. I need to make a few more posts today I think I'm only at like 5/10 so far hmm
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Oct 14, 2018 02:38
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Bifauxnen posted:mine was easy to understand! I just hate mine because it's more fun for Nat than for me
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Oct 14, 2018 07:34
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Xad posted:
are you trying to bait an argument with noted mod-proclaimed town player bee-fowx-nehn?
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Oct 14, 2018 08:43
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Podima posted:GX reads as neutral to me despite the "oh it's a posting restriction" thing, I feel like they wouldn't instantly jump to emotional appeals as scum? I'm not sure what you're trying to call out as an emotional appeal, but please elaborate
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Oct 14, 2018 18:02
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Podima posted:it was this: Hmm.
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Oct 14, 2018 21:49
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I'm playing under protest, I only wish I was scum
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Oct 15, 2018 01:44
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Podima posted:Hello Gene! While you're here, could you please drop a couple of reads, town or scum? Even gut feelings would do. nah, I signed up for nat 20 is a bad mod mafia, not nat 20 is a bad mod but let's play this super seriously mafia if I see something I think is weird, I'll post about it, but I don't feel like writing lists or w/e
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Oct 15, 2018 01:55
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IcePhoenix posted:I should be around for deadline. Obviously prefer dancer. GX is probably my second choice from this post: It's exactly that, except it's not an "excuse" so much as a blatant statement of intent
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Oct 15, 2018 03:39
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Oh we're definitely going to talk about this in postgame suffice it to say that nat 20 definitely handpicked my role, and it's so utterly ridiculous that I cannot conceive of this as a functional setup
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Oct 15, 2018 03:44
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Bifauxnen posted:if the setup is too ridiculous to take seriously, why bother to try and avoid pointless claiming, don't tease us like this I want the reveal in postgame because Nat will enjoy me actually using it which I will do...not today, because I don't feel like it, but perhaps tomorrow night
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Oct 15, 2018 03:50
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Asiina posted:tbh I agree with you CL I agree but I kinda get it Humalong promises fun, so ##vote Humalong
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Oct 15, 2018 04:40
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oh hahahaha
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Oct 15, 2018 04:41
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Asiina posted:Awww, you got it buddy! mlyp chaoslord posted:Yeah I noticed that too or else I was going to silently do that for sure and see how long it took folks to notice much like with KB's av don't touch my assless chaps gangtag though, it's v important I don't have an image editing program on my computer or I'd make it transparent and optimize it
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Oct 15, 2018 05:01
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Asiina posted:I'm already in bed but I can do it in like 30 seconds tomorrow. Aww, thanks! 
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Oct 15, 2018 05:07
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Yeah, imagine thinking pod had a pr
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Oct 15, 2018 05:15
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hold off on the coup until I use my role, which will require me to be more awake
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Oct 15, 2018 05:19
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Nat20 sucks, this game is a disaster, and I'm definitely not just saying this because he's mercilessly crippled poor Podima What a ruthless, cruel, and code-obsessed dork of a mod, he is, a bad mod, even
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Oct 15, 2018 05:28
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Natural 20 posted:"Oh man I'm GX and I think a town the lunches correctly 9 days in a row should lose." I, too, don't understand the basic concept of a 14 wincon game having, shockingly, many mutually exclusive winconditions maybe I'll just go and attempt to ruin the game, then refuse to participate at all beyond sniping about it
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Oct 15, 2018 08:57
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Natural 20 posted:Man perhaps a 14 wincon game is a bad idea. See, here's the thing. I know what I did wrong, and the 14 wincons: not actually one of those things, aside from players bitching over it. If pioneering about 10 different mechanics, alignments, and/or roles in the same game had a mishap or two, that's still quite a good goddamn success. Perhaps the blatant, obvious intention for the dayvig to be conserved until you needed it, and used to protect you otherwise, was too subtle for you. Maybe if you'd kept it for a day and seen the alignment screwery — incidentally, giving you ample reason to retain your protective role — you'd have realized, but Ol' Premature-Nat's just got to kill someone 6 hours in, ending D1 before any benefit can be gleaned from it. The most pro-town of moves, surely, absolutely, definitely, but shame on me for assuming you'd think before acting. But let's talk games, Nat. Let's just talk about the ones I've been around for. Let's start with DBZ and the robot cult, a failed attempt at balancing a cult mechanic around a set of players who through blind luck got the chance to be recruited and thus shoved everyone else into an oh-so-fun game of "guess which town player isn't anymore". Let's talk about the time chamber, which incentivized pure spam and chaos in a way utterly infuriating to experience. Let's talk about the scumteam that directly swapped to becoming town while retaining all their scum tricks. (Let's not talk about player-specific things though, because this is an argument, not a blood feud, hahaha.) There's Yugioh, and though I'll grudgingly admit approval of your extensive card creation mechanics, "just spread 'em and let god sort 'em out" is the laziest modding methodology on earth. "Well, I made these cool things, my job here is done. Player experience? What's player experience? I'm running a game, and not an exhibition? Huh?" I made a few prototype errors while seeing how far I could push the basic structure of mafia without things collapsing, sure. What's your excuse?
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Oct 15, 2018 18:40
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Also, Asiina, here's a much more optimized non-transparent version of the gif, for when you've got time and/or motivation to help me out more:
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Oct 15, 2018 18:46
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GeneX posted:Also, Asiina, here's a much more optimized non-transparent version of the gif, for when you've got time and/or motivation to help me out more: oh wait lmao you already used this one, hmm well, my image editing knowledge is 0, so
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Oct 15, 2018 18:51
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SolusLunes posted:Watching Nat and GX slapfight is just exhausting and dumb. mlyp Natural 20 posted:It's funny that you still don't understand vig methodology when you get one and you're, y'know, actually good at mafia. I get target murdered early in almost every game at this point so either sit dick in hand and do poo poo loving all or I can dump down a vig using past metas to actually hit a target. I totally understand vig methodology, and I know you do too, which is why "lol it's a dayvig, I'm gonna shoot right now" is so frustrating! Killing someone so early on when you have a power strong enough to completely change endgame, or lynch someone you think is suspect that people don't agree with you on, is really, really powerful. Having indefinite lynchproofing as a way of insuring that you can say whatever you want during the day, scumhunting aggressively and ignoring all pressure on you, should have lent itself very well to your off-the-wall (but sometimes scarily accurate) casing methods...but you instead decided to kill the day, KB, and your own interest in the game. Like, that role existed because of a game I played like 7 years ago on the MSPA forums, where I had it, misfired, and still caught an entire scum faction on my own. And I didn't even have the lynchproof incentive to not fire it off! If you, who I will admit are a very good player, will just ignore the blatant and correct usage of the role, then that says something real strong about how restricted dayvigs need to be made in order to not precipitate a mass firing. Lumpen...okay yeah, I'll give you that one. But I think you underestimate how dispiriting it can be to learn that there's a cult out there that you're a target for, how it drastically warps every player's posting with the knowledge that they or anyone else can never rely on observations from anything but the current day, and how it's a functional noose around the neck of people who made innocuous claims early on without knowing or suspecting mechanical significance to their revealed information. Cults share the flaws of mason recruiters, serial killers, traitors, and markers, all in one, and their upside is so massive that they can't be given insurance for their equally massive fragility. One recruiter is too few, a BP'd recruiter is too weak, a lynchproof recruiter is too strong, and multiple recruiters are broken messes. Quitting a game because a cult is present is maybe a tad strong, but it's not at all unreasonable to be angry about one being around. The time chamber...if you'll accuse me of not knowing dayvig psychology well enough to guess at inevitable non-optimal usage, then I'll throw it back threefold for the time chamber. Much like your lurker guns, the time chamber benefits a very specific playstyle more than it does a specific faction, and also like lurker guns, it's decidedly impossible to manipulate without either shutting down discussion from talkative players, forcing spam from one or two players, or getting into a rat race. It was only usable by town or by scum being loving moronic, but it still hurt everyone because of how it was usable. Yugioh was a cheap shot because I liked saying "let's talk games" and then realized I didn't have a second example of a moderator fuckup on your end  RNG games are fun.Anyway, you can respond, I'm done with this argument beyond complete skepticism that you're willing and able to balance any game, even with role madness. Somehow (the answer is: meticulous theorycrafting and most roles having roughly even chances of victory, with those chances small by virtue of the alignment minefield), my game with 14 alignments ended up pretty drat balanced, which is more than I can say for your card game mod abdication central or alignment swap saiyan land. Bifauxnen posted:GX can you roleclaim yet christ Soon™
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Podima posted:Also I'm expecting Nat20 to confirm GX as town, imgay-style. My role had exactly zero mechanical relevance, though I probably could have argued my way into being modkilled.
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Oct 15, 2018 20:36
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Bifauxnen posted:a role that says "person X is town" doesn't prove poo poo wait isn't that sal's claim, too?
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Oct 15, 2018 20:40
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Bifauxnen posted:YES THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING AUUUUGH no, like, it's straight up the exact same claim, I didn't quite realize and since you were curious, my role was that I could precipitate a 10 post argument with nat20 at any time by posting a specific phrase. A very serious, powerful role in this serious, powerful game. I'd been trying to set it up so it would be innocuous after I did a lot of complaining early on, and thus make it seem like he just snapped after I went too far, but I decided that I wanted to just use it now, since a) Nat likes arguing and he's a friend, and b) I was getting antsy about having to be negative and rude, because my fatal flaw is my inability to fully let go of grudges or emotions, not my being mean or catty, and I was constantly worried I'd go too far and/or end up actually sad
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Oct 15, 2018 20:48
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I still expect nat to murder me in the next mafia game we're together in, tho
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Oct 15, 2018 20:49
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Podima posted:I don't think I've been this let down since a certain someone decided to flip back to the wrong side of a conflict at literally the last possible moment. *insert wilted rose emoji*
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Oct 15, 2018 20:52
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Bif (or Sal, I guess, if you’re not lying), I suggest seeing if you can get Nat 20 to say that Asiina is town I’m too lazy to check who claimed bif is town credit first but that’s probably useful info to have
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Oct 15, 2018 22:18
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How about the “confirm someone else” bit? I could definitely buy nat handing out the same role twice, but making one a quack version
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Bif, is that your claim too? Read to me as you were auto-proclaimed (sure, I won’t say “confirmed”) and you chose someone else, too
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