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Heya fuckos, remember the illustrious RockPaperShotgun.com? The number one gaming news and journalism site on the web Not that any of you really care, but it is another "once decent site that's gone down the toilet" website that's about to finally die maybe, and I thought that'd be an interesting topic for discussion? What gaming news sites don't suck these days?
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Do ad blocking plugins get around adblock blocks yet? I pretty much always have uBlock going, but I don't visit that many sites so I haven't noticed.
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Oct 10, 2018 11:17
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I stopped reading rockpapershotgun after I read a fallout 2 article that was just a giant thing about how 'as a curious young teen, fallout 2's depictions of homosexuality helped me understand these things when my homophobic parents yelled at me for acting certain ways,' which, fair enough ig and then it ended with 'As a straight ally, I feel -" and i lol'd all the way to the close tab button. anyway more and more sites are implementing dumb stuff like this so I have to imagine more and more adblockers will start implementing ways to get around this stuff, and then you'll get sites that chide you for blocking their adblock blockers, and so on. It's basically just an arms race.
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Oct 10, 2018 11:56
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Are there any issues with their ads?
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Oct 10, 2018 12:10
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Has anyone ever actualy bought something because of an ad? Obviously they wouldn't keep pushing them if there wasn't some profit to be had but I just don't see how.
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Oct 10, 2018 12:21
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many people, all the time. this is why ad industry is so huge and profitable
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Oct 10, 2018 12:26
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They're already doing it as of that article. some of their articles are good, but after reading thay, and trying to turn off my adblocker for the site, I realised that their anti-adblocker is extremely aggressive and counts privacybadger (which tells you what ad trackers there are on a page) as an ad blocker as well. As much as I like Dominic Tarasons reviews and junk, I don't like it well enough to go through this bullshit to get a maccas delivery ad, so I might as well just remove it from my RSS feed. Are there any decent replacements that aren't giant bomb?
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Oct 10, 2018 12:56
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Avalerion posted:Has anyone ever actualy bought something because of an ad? Obviously they wouldn't keep pushing them if there wasn't some profit to be had but I just don't see how. Sometimes sites will be like 'this is a good product' and I'll click on their sponsored link and read up on it and be like sure this sounds ok and then they get money for that I think. But I've never clicked on any of those flashing screaming video playing ads. Who does that? I want to meet someone who has done that.
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Oct 10, 2018 13:05
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I think a lot of it comes from people fat-fingering their phones while browsing.
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Oct 10, 2018 13:06
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I clicked a rimowa ad on nytimes a week ago and those loving suitcases still can't get out of my head. I want one so badly. I don't even need a suitcase!
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Oct 10, 2018 13:08
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Endorph posted:I stopped reading rockpapershotgun after I read a fallout 2 article that was just a giant thing about how 'as a curious young teen, fallout 2's depictions of homosexuality helped me understand these things when my homophobic parents yelled at me for acting certain ways,' which, fair enough ig I stopped when John Walker wrote a piece petulantly demanding that someone make a romcom game, i.e. take a strictly cinematic genre and transplant it into gaming because "it would piss off the massive turds who think Gone Home isn't a game". That man is a walking midlife crisis.
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Oct 10, 2018 13:23
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So... You like the site... just not enough to want them to be able to pay their staff? Like, that's what this boils down to. They're not running ads for fun.
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Oct 10, 2018 13:52
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tithin posted:They're already doing it as of that article. some of their articles are good, but after reading thay, and trying to turn off my adblocker for the site, I realised that their anti-adblocker is extremely aggressive and counts privacybadger (which tells you what ad trackers there are on a page) as an ad blocker as well. Drop a comment, they're open to fixing stuff like that. Karpaw posted:I stopped when John Walker wrote a piece petulantly demanding that someone make a romcom game, i.e. take a strictly cinematic genre and transplant it into gaming because "it would piss off the massive turds who think Gone Home isn't a game". That man is a walking midlife crisis. But he's right 
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Oct 10, 2018 13:55
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Do they get money just for the ad loading? Cause if they get paid for clicks and I'm not gonna click there's no point leaving them on.
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Oct 10, 2018 13:56
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The easiest way to fix this is to just apply RPS to deny Javascript in content settings. It kills off all ads, videos (which are trash anyway) and comments (which nobody reads). You can read the content as normal.
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Oct 10, 2018 14:00
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Communist Bear posted:The easiest way to fix this is to just apply RPS to deny Javascript in content settings. It kills off all ads, videos (which are trash anyway) and comments (which nobody reads). You can read the content as normal. A lot of websites don't load at all unless they can run their javascript bullshit
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Oct 10, 2018 14:09
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I happily pay my 40 dollars a year to have RPS ad free. I'm glad they did this. I suspect most sites will follow suit at some point - allowing free ad blocking is clearly unsustainable, however much sites try to compensate by adopting more and more obnoxious ads to try and get more out of the fewer and fewer people who don't ad block. Even if you have people talk up how they'd whitelist sites that have good ads etc etc, the reality is that adblocking encourages blocking by default and most people won't think about the decision they are making unless you force them to reconsider. The OP's choice of tag kinda suggests the degree of good faith at play here, though. Good riddance. Fangz fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 14:37
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Fangz posted:I happily pay my 40 dollars a year to have RPS ad free. I'm glad they did this. I suspect most sites will follow suit at some point - allowing free ad blocking is clearly unsustainable, however much sites try to compensate by adopting more and more obnoxious ads to try and get more out of the fewer and fewer people who don't ad block. Even if you have people talk up how they'd whitelist sites that have good ads etc etc, the reality is that adblocking encourages blocking by default and most people won't think about the decision they are making unless you force them to reconsider. Let's slow down here for a minute and discuss the fact you pay out $40 a year to a video gaming website. I'd like to know more about that? 
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Oct 10, 2018 14:58
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In the good old days I probably paid more to paper version of video game magazines. I was also a kid and man that was some cash ill-spent.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:01
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If the word "adwall" isn't already in use, I'd like the record to show that I just coined it.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:05
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Communist Bear posted:Let's slow down here for a minute and discuss the fact you pay out $40 a year to a video gaming website. I'd like to know more about that? We all paid to post on something awful so let's not get too judgemental here.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:07
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Avalerion posted:We all paid to post on something awful so let's not get too judgemental here. True that.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:08
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For me, it's a matter of prophylaxis. I've seen enough sites get hit with malware or intrusive ads because someone fell asleep at the switch or networks were trading spaces behind the scenes.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:10
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I wish I could adblock RPS news links out from Steam.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:14
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For me it's refusing to give a bunch of gaming enthusiasts money to run their 24 hour gaming job. Lets keep in mind for a moment RPS aren't an independent blog - they're a subsidiary of Gamer Network, which is itself a subsidiary of ReedPOP, which again is a subsidiary of Reed Exhibitions, which is a million pound organisation. They're not scraping the floor for crumbs here, they're quite, quite well off.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:18
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"I think journalists should work for free" - a communist, supposedly The fact that they are a subsidiary doesn't mean that helping the site support itself is meaningless, because bolsters' the site's independence if they aren't just always dependent on Reed's convention fee income. The irony of 'wait, I have to pay 3 lousy dollars a month for this??? Game journos expect to be paid????' when you also can't think of good gaming news websites any more is apparently lost on some people. Fangz fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 15:19
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Fangz posted:"I think journalists should work for free" Oh gently caress this hat falls right off!
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Oct 10, 2018 15:22
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... or you just block that adblock blocker?
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Oct 10, 2018 15:23
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I like RPS so they're allowed past my ad-blocker. I do that for sites that I generally like. Eh It's hard not to imagine this becoming the norm.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:25
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Couldn't ad blockers be made to just run the ads in the background or something, so sites still get paid but users don't have to view them?
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Oct 10, 2018 15:30
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Ashrik posted:I like RPS so they're allowed past my ad-blocker. I do that for sites that I generally like. Eh If there were non-tracking ads I'd whitelist pretty much everyone. But since those sites desperately need to follow my every move and whim, I'm gonna block the poo poo out of them and then block their adblock poo poo and everything else they try to do. Btw, if you pay for RPS, you still get trackers on the website, lol. No thanks.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:31
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Avalerion posted:Couldn't ad blockers be made to just run the ads in the background or something, so sites still get paid but users don't have to view them? Yes this exists already.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:31
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I refuse to whitelist websites myself. If a site won't let me read their pages without disabling adblock, then that tells me all I need to know about their content.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:32
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caps on caps on caps posted:If there were non-tracking ads I'd whitelist pretty much everyone. But since those sites desperately need to follow my every move and whim, I'm gonna block the poo poo out of them and then block their adblock poo poo and everything else they try to do. quote:There are a couple of trackers that have slipped through to the ad-free version of the site, one related to some links and one related to YouTube video embeds. We�re looking into how we can remove them now. Avalerion posted:Couldn't ad blockers be made to just run the ads in the background or something, so sites still get paid but users don't have to view them? Advertisers will drop rates for the entire site if this happens. (Specifically, advertisers will track your click through rate, as well as how often advertising converts to a sale. If this falls, they will pay you a lot less per ad shown) This is part of how adblocking tends to push more obnoxious ads at the unblocked. Fangz fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 15:34
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I said come in! posted:I refuse to whitelist websites myself. If a site won't let me read their pages without disabling adblock, then that tells me all I need to know about their content. It tells they don't want you to visit their site?
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Oct 10, 2018 15:41
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Quick question to the anti-ad folks: You're also against paywalls... so... how do you expect these sites, and thus their employees, to generate revenue and thus get paid so they can do the thing you want?
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Oct 10, 2018 15:43
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I take anti-adblock measures as a challenge. I also don't really see any problem with their long-term consequences. Either the kind of people who click on internet ads subsidize the rest of us, or advertising as a payment model is slowly but inevitably destroyed. It's win/win.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:44
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Fangz posted:I happily pay my 40 dollars a year to have RPS ad free. lol, i gladly pay 0 dollars a year to have everything ad free
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Oct 10, 2018 15:49
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caps on caps on caps posted:If there were non-tracking ads I'd whitelist pretty much everyone. But since those sites desperately need to follow my every move and whim, I'm gonna block the poo poo out of them and then block their adblock poo poo and everything else they try to do. Yeah, this is the main thing. A lot of people itt are like �Oh, so you want the people behind this website to work for free huh?� No, I�m happy to see ads on content I like. The problem is that these ads are not just pictures of burgers and taglines. They are data-harvesting software disguised as pretty pictures. I�m not having that. Gaz-L posted:Quick question to the anti-ad folks: You're also against paywalls... so... how do you expect these sites, and thus their employees, to generate revenue and thus get paid so they can do the thing you want? I�m not against paywalls? Most people here probably aren�t.
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Oct 10, 2018 15:51
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Fangz posted:Advertisers will drop rates for the entire site if this happens. (Specifically, advertisers will track your click through rate, as well as how often advertising converts to a sale. If this falls, they will pay you a lot less per ad shown) This is part of how adblocking tends to push more obnoxious ads at the unblocked. Which brings it back to - if the person wasn't going to click your ad anyway (likely, if they are savy enough to run an ad blocker to begin with), does it matter?
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