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I find the whole concept loving fascinating but unfortunately I know little of chemistry and I'm wondering if anyone on these forums could chime in with some interesting information. It's so crazy to me that there are these "secret" building blocks of reality that have maybe never existed inside of labs. Could they form naturally somewhere? How high do they potentially go? What would they look like or do if you could somehow form a visible block of them, even if for a fraction of a second? Does this theoretical "island of stability" mean that we could potentially have never before seen forms of matter in the future that would do crazy things? Anything else cool?
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IIRC the island of stability isotopes are "stable" in the sense they might have a half-life of like ten seconds, vs. a few milliseconds. They might occur naturally inside stars or something, but not for very long?
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 19:54 |
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Seriously, what does it matter?
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 19:55 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:IIRC the island of stability isotopes are "stable" in the sense they might have a half-life of like ten seconds, vs. a few milliseconds. They might occur naturally inside stars or something, but not for very long? I think I read somewhere it could possibly be up to days
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 19:56 |
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speaking of manmade elements, aren't they making like super atoms now where they're like two atoms stuck so closely together that they behave like one I heard it on skeptics guide but never found anything I never really understood how it worked either
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 20:02 |
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Meitnerium is my favorite superheavy element because it's named after a woman who got hosed over for a nobel prize by a bunch of dudes and then people named an element after her out of spite for those dudes, and I enjoy my science to have a bit of spite in it.
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 20:03 |
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My Linux Rig posted:speaking of manmade elements, aren't they making like super atoms now where they're like two atoms stuck so closely together that they behave like one woah, what the gently caress
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 20:04 |
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RobattoJesus posted:Meitnerium is my favorite superheavy element because it's named after a woman who got hosed over for a nobel prize by a bunch of dudes and then people named an element after her out of spite for those dudes, and I enjoy my science to have a bit of spite in it. My favorite chemistry story is the chemist who dissolved his medal in aqua regia when the Nazis were invading and left the container in the lab, then reconstituted the medal after the war and had it recast.
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 20:09 |
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in 8th grade we did a group project where you picked an element, researched it, and did a brief presentation on all the things about it my partner wanted to do francium because "as soon as it exists, it explodes." I agreed that this was hilarious, and we quickly learned that this single fact is neither interesting enough nor hilarious enough to sustain a five minute presentation
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 20:10 |
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staple remover posted:woah, what the gently caress yeah apparently by utilizing some laser stuff and/or something else, you can effectively stick the atom nuclei so close together that their electrons form a closed shell around it, giving it new properties the last example I heard of was sticking aluminum atoms in a cluster for a jet fuel additive that doesn't degrade in the presence of oxygen
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 20:12 |
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Neutrino posted:Seriously, what does it matter? oh wow haven't seen a av + post combo as good as this in a while
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 20:15 |
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RossMan4Life posted:My favorite chemistry story is the chemist who dissolved his medal in aqua regia when the Nazis were invading and left the container in the lab, then reconstituted the medal after the war and had it recast. Niels Bohr was hardcore af
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 20:16 |
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Y'all need a wedgie. The closest temperature to absolute zero, in the whole universe, was created on earth in a lab via lasers.
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 20:17 |
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Colonel Cancer posted:Y'all need a wedgie. how do you know
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 20:22 |
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RobattoJesus posted:Meitnerium is my favorite superheavy element because it's named after a woman who got hosed over for a nobel prize by a bunch of dudes and then people named an element after her out of spite for those dudes, and I enjoy my science to have a bit of spite in it. Spite science is best science.
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:05 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF5B13Y5taQ&t=7s here's a channel to follow op, got to get past his accent a bit
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Mnoba posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF5B13Y5taQ&t=7s thanks G
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:17 |
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the only superheavy element i know is the my gosh darn dick and BALLS  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:17 |
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What's even better is there's this superheavy island of stability way up in atomic weight where outside of it poo poo just instantly falls apart. 
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:19 |
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The real periodic table stops at 100. Everything after that is scientists scamming people for funding.
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ChaseSP posted:What's even better is there's this superheavy island of stability way up in atomic weight where outside of it poo poo just instantly falls apart. like seriously what is this it's as if god placed a secret area in the video game that is life only accessible by cheat codes and i want to see it
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:20 |
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i have a quantumn computer at home
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:21 |
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remember when you were 12 and there was the secret island in grand theft auto 3 that you could get to in the lovely biplane that was nearly impossible to control and had no real relevance to the game but you just had to loving see it because it was there
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:21 |
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Schweinhund posted:The real periodic table stops at 100. Everything after that is scientists scamming people for funding. You may or may not wake up with a cat's head in your bed.
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numberoneposter posted:i have a quantumn computer at home eat FRASCHE!!!
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:23 |
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i use my quantumn computer to play seinfeld reruns and hack the NSA's secret encrypted porno stash
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:23 |
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staple remover posted:remember when you were 12 and there was the secret island in grand theft auto 3 that you could get to in the lovely biplane that was nearly impossible to control and had no real relevance to the game but you just had to loving see it because it was there this but it's the secret island in the n64 golden eye
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:24 |
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I have three rules of thumb never wait a second, I may be losing a thumb. It is part is pierodic table that I do not like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fqGIpkp2NU
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:24 |
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Superheavy elements are basically the physicist equivalent of map hacking games to look for secrets.
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:24 |
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ChaseSP posted:Superheavy elements are basically the physicist equivalent of map hacking games to look for secrets. imagine you're an experimental chemist who dedicates your entire lovely life to making synthetic radioactive elements that decay in fractions of a millisecond with no reward other than half paragraph long wikipedia articles until you get to number 279 and it hangs around for like 3 seconds and clearly has "you wasted your time enjoyable human being lmao - signed, god" etched in it
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:28 |
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staple remover posted:imagine you're an experimental chemist who dedicates your entire lovely life to making synthetic radioactive elements that decay in fractions of a millisecond with no reward other than half paragraph long wikipedia articles until you get to number 279 and it hangs around for like 3 seconds and clearly has "you wasted your time enjoyable human being lmao - signed, god" etched in it imagine that but instead it flies into his mouth and he becomes super Saiyan and fucks your mom boy that would show u
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Well I think it helps if you factor in darkside metals that form outside of the nova state. There’s condensing blueshifting metals like titanium and chrome that don’t form from acid electrolysis. That way you’re not trying to build crystal lattices on top of the mountain peak that you know will teeter one way or the other. Remember Newtonian physics apply at the atomic and subatomic levels.
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:35 |
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ClamdestineBoyster posted:Well I think it helps if you factor in darkside metals that form outside of the nova state. There’s condensing blueshifting metals like titanium and chrome that don’t form from acid electrolysis. That way you’re not trying to build crystal lattices on top of the mountain peak that you know will teeter one way or the other. Remember Newtonian physics apply at the atomic and subatomic levels. 
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I'm positive in the vast, vast reaches of space, a few protons of these elements have accidentally been formed (perhaps more commonly in supernova), but they have a half-life of trillionths of a second, so it's hard to ever find any. I don't think the elements themselves are necessarily the goal (outside of merely "can we do it?"), but the process of making them and the way they decay (or don't) help us unstand atoms and quarks etc more. I think that's the main reason physicists are making these things. Also you get to name them after things! AfaIk, the island of stability is merely theoretical, it might not actually exist. We won't know until we get there. I think it's interesting you can get all these protons to stick together despite their charge, and that the neutrons are somehow essential as well. I think the strong force is pretty interesting. Also quantum chromodynamics is a rad name for something.
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:52 |
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Also, what this guy said:ClamdestineBoyster posted:Well I think it helps if you factor in darkside metals that form outside of the nova state. There’s condensing blueshifting metals like titanium and chrome that don’t form from acid electrolysis. That way you’re not trying to build crystal lattices on top of the mountain peak that you know will teeter one way or the other. Remember Newtonian physics apply at the atomic and subatomic levels.
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 22:54 |
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I want some dark rear end metals. “What you like my electrons? Don’t touch em. Don’t be touchin’ em”
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 23:02 |
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Shadow0 posted:I'm positive in the vast, vast reaches of space, a few protons of these elements have accidentally been formed (perhaps more commonly in supernova), but they have a half-life of trillionths of a second, so it's hard to ever find any. Where would I begin to start learning these concepts in depth independent of the money necessary for a university degree? I don't want a job, I'm just interested in these things.
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 23:04 |
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Unununium was the best element name. Pity they renamed it Roentgenium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roentgenium
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 23:05 |
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I think the greatest engineering feat we could do would be to create a hollow electron cloud without a proton mass that orbits the hydrogen proton in the middle of the galaxy as if it were a whole atom via the paths of all the stars in the galaxy within an acute degree of horizontal pitch. 
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| # ? Oct 10, 2018 23:08 |
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staple remover posted:Where would I begin to start learning these concepts in depth independent of the money necessary for a university degree? I don't want a job, I'm just interested in these things. Try the Khan Academy courses, maybe?
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