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I don't want to freelance too much with my sub - bac or davin i presume you want me to shadow the contact somewhat ahead of me, if hostile, engage? it's probably a whale bac do you want me to join your patrol areas or try to push forward as a picket ahead of your patrol area?
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For those concerned about cavitation... You can move faster in deeper water without cavitating. I will, by default, have all subs set to "Avoid Cavitation". Cavitating will ruin your day and is like getting poo poo faced drunk and hollering church. Suddenly everyone knows you're the rear end in a top hat. You can also set your movement to "Sprint and Drift" which allows a sub to go fast and then use that momentum to coast and listen. Not as safe as going really slow, but still a valid tactic. Works best on really fast subs.
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Orders Sheet Please place a link to your orders on the Japan Order Sheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/146ajza6Jpc-Dt0WT70rX6JkxA-uCkNzkXshGrXP0VeQ/edit?usp=sharing This should help keep things a bit more organized.
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I'm not really a fan of plan "Let's be passive with the Surface Fleet and Airplanes." Our biggest disadvantage is that we have less stuff overall, sure. On top of that, big disadvantage number 2 is the turn around. These are big problems to be sure. However, one of the largest advantages I see us having right now is, we have all of our stuff right here, right now but the Russians have a significant portion of their stuff, at least 24 hours away. We've already lost the war of attrition; we have no chance of that. So our opening moves should be to kill as much of what the Russians have here already, before they get the rest of their stuff in. If they have 100 Planes total, 50 here and 50 there, then it's better to fight off the 50 they have here now and then the 50 they have with the convoy later, then the full 100 planes in 24 hours. The numbers are different to be sure, but that's what we should do. Kill more now so we can kill less later. Even if we don't take the ultra aggresive route, at the very least our defences lines should be at parity to our land stuff. Shrinking back now let's them use the assets they have on hand freely. It's not as if our SAM is big enough to protect all of Hokkaido. OscarDiggs fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Oct 18, 2018 |
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Oct 18, 2018 21:02
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I think we are being fairly aggressive right now. I'm moving all the destroyers towards Iturup to shell their base. There is no point in launching any bombers/fighters right now as we have no targets for them to attack. We really need more information before we can even come up with a plan of attack. It's fairly risky to just sail up to Iturup as they likely will have land based anti-surface missiles and may launch fighters with anti-surface missiles at the destroyers. Once we get closer the destroyers will likely need some kind of fighter cover from the F-15s.
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Oct 18, 2018 21:22
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We don’t need to kill a hundred planes. We need to kill the merchant ships.
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Oct 18, 2018 22:17
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But that would be a bit easier with less enemy planes in the air, right? Hell, 10 less would give our 20 hour turnaround time some breathing room.
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Oct 18, 2018 22:19
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Man stay in your lane sub boy
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OscarDiggs posted:But that would be a bit easier with less enemy planes in the air, right? Hell, 10 less would give our 20 hour turnaround time some breathing room. our biggest issue is we don't have that many planes to throw around or lose, sure our 15's very likely out class them they can swarm us easily and their interceptors out range our F-15's being aggressive so early can cost us way to many airframes
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Tythas posted:our biggest issue is we don't have that many planes to throw around or lose, sure our 15's very likely out class them they can swarm us easily and their interceptors out range our F-15's being aggressive so early can cost us way to many airframes Speaking of aggression, Stairmaster and Tythas, given the structure of the turns, it's possible that the Russians (being goon commanded) might try to throw a ton of poo poo at us from Sakhalin and Burevestnik over the next half hour. Can you work with each other to develop contingency launch plans in case baddies are observed coming in next turn?
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Oct 19, 2018 01:49
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Squadron 1 Orders F-15s should be placed on an intercept mission for any target that comes within 100nm of chitose. In the event of multiple contacts spotted on a bearing towards hokaido ( 4+ contacts more) Begin manually launching fighters to intercept bandits. Try to match enemy contacts flight for flight plus one if possible. Stairmaster fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Oct 19, 2018 |
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Davin Valkri posted:Speaking of aggression, Stairmaster and Tythas, given the structure of the turns, it's possible that the Russians (being goon commanded) might try to throw a ton of poo poo at us from Sakhalin and Burevestnik over the next half hour. Can you work with each other to develop contingency launch plans in case baddies are observed coming in next turn? yea I can do that.I am thinking of editing my orders to put 4 planes with heavy AA loadouts sitting ready 5 and sending 2 more planes to patrol the northern part of hokkaido and near the destroyers. that sounds like good coverage Davin?
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Stairmaster posted:F-15s should be placed on an intercept mission for any target that comes within 100nm of chitose. In the event of multiple contacts spotted on a bearing towards hokaido ( 4+ contacts more) Begin manually launching fighters to intercept bandits. Try to match enemy contacts flight for flight plus one if possible. i can have my squadron do the patrolling and escorts if you wanna dedicate yours to interceptions and the larger missions
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Tythas posted:yea I can do that.I am thinking of editing my orders to put 4 planes with heavy AA loadouts sitting ready 5 and sending 2 more planes to patrol the northern part of hokkaido and near the destroyers. that sounds like good coverage Davin? Sure, but again, this is a contingency plan in case the enemy is hyper-aggressive. If they choose to stay home, or just send a probing attack, we still need to consider the next 24, 48, 72 hours.
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If the planes don't have to do any intercepts then we can shift the ones from my squadron into the patrol rotation so it's fine.
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Davin Valkri posted:Sure, but again, this is a contingency plan in case the enemy is hyper-aggressive. If they choose to stay home, or just send a probing attack, we still need to consider the next 24, 48, 72 hours. Right if the worst comes to the worst the ready 5 should be fine for another mission if they don't have to launch since no maintenance doesn't need to be done. past that i think my squadron can be good after the first patrol I'll consolidate it to a singe flight with a larger patrol area of Hokkaido itself, between the Russian airbases and our E-767's, this way we can conserve planes and maintenance times I'll also keep a permanent ready 5, 4ship of F-15's in case of an emergency. Tythas fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Oct 19, 2018 |
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F-15J Squadron#2 Flight one 2x F-15J's Call sign Ronin AA Patrol - 1 Aircraft - 20,000ft, Cruise speed of 500 mph Patrol area: Close approximation of area shown in image Prosecution Area: Closest approximation as shown in image Heavy AA loudout Start patrol ASAP Emcom: radars on ROE: 2 missiles per hostile YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO FIRE UPON CONTACTS WITHIN WEAPONS RANGE Flight 2: 2x F-15J's Callsign Sakura AA Patrol - 1 Aircraft - 20,000ft, Cruise speed of 500 mph. Patrol area: Close approximation of area shown in image Prosecution Area: Closest approximation as shown in image Heavy AA loudout Start patrol ASAP Emcom: radars on ROE: 2 missiles per hostile YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO FIRE UPON CONTACTS WITHIN WEAPONS RANGE 
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So, while we're still waiting on more data, I thought I might go over the enemy forces brief in more detail, and see if we can gather a slightly better idea of what we are up against. This is inspired by Bac's work with the enemy sub threat. Let's start with his work, and review what's below the surface first.Briefing, Subsurface Threats posted:The real threat are the submarines, the exact number of which we cannot determine. Not only are most of the Pacific Fleet's SSNs deployed at Kamchatka to begin with in support of the boomers, but numerous Northern Fleet submarines have been seen making the long journey-including the Sevorodvinsk, the new Yasen submarine. Bacarruda posted:Recent estimates suggest the Russian Pacific Fleet has five Oscar-class cruise submarines. On top of their usual torps, these have anti-submarine cruise missiles which can drop a homing torpedo on our heads from up to 100km away. Kilos are diesel-electric, and the briefing explicitly calls out SSNs. If they are in theater, they're probably well ahead of the convoy and the main body of submarines, which may be on independent missions (definitely the Yasen, probably the Oscar and whatever escorts they choose to assign), assigned to scrub the convoy's path (possibly the Yasen again, plus an Akula or two), or escorting the convoy in close protection (the rest of the Akulas). Briefing, Surface Threats posted:Enemy surface forces amount to one modern frigate and a number of Cold War surplus corvettes. The "modern frigate" has even more options associated with it. It could be a Gepard, a Grigorovich, or a Gorshkov. And there's a corvette with even more tonnage than the Gepard (and thus could be the "frigate"), a Steregushchiy, that comes in several flavors. If their corvettes are handling ASW work, then this frigate is probably doing anti-aircraft/missile defense duties. That probably rules out the Gepard, but the rest are all plausible. Briefing, Battery Threats posted:They have deployed radars and anti-ship missiles on as many of the minor islands as possible. Heavy SAMs have been deployed on both Sakahlin and both islands, but appear to be under strict ROEs. Briefing, Air Threats posted:We believe that at least one regiment of circa 30 MiG-31s at Yelivozo and a detachment of both MiG-29s and Su-33s from the refitting Kuznetsov on the hastily refurbished Burevestnik airbase on Iturup itself will contest the skies over the Sea of Okhotsk. At least one regiment of Flanker derivatives has been spotted staging from Sakhalin, although we do not know its motivation. Well, this is much easier! The MiG-31s are most likely this type, and yeah, that AA-13 looks super threatening. Only saving grace is that you can't shoot it bearing only--you have to find your target, and the MiG-31, like all Russian interceptors, needs cuing from other sources for that. The MiG-29 has to be the MiG-29K, and so it's probably this one. Long list of weapons, but the ones most dangerous to us are probably Krypton and Kayak, since our missiles outrange their Adders. The Su-33s have to be these here, which...kind of aren't so threatening? Their worst missiles are SARH. And there's a poo poo ton of possibilities for what the Flankers are, enough that I can't even begin to speculate on them.
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Davin Valkri posted:The MiG-29 has to be the MiG-29K, and so it's probably this one. Long list of weapons, but the ones most dangerous to us are probably Krypton and Kayak, since our missiles outrange their Adders. which we need to be careful of if we wanna send our destroyers to bombard the airbases
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Yooper do we know the current hostilities between nations? Like are Japan/Russia actively hostile or would this be the start of actual fighting? I ask because we may be able to get in a first strike on Russian assets without them putting up a a defense on ingress. The SAMs we know are under strict ROE and may not fire until after we have launched first strikes.
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Popete posted:Yooper do we know the current hostilities between nations? Like are Japan/Russia actively hostile or would this be the start of actual fighting? Everyone knows a fight is brewing and both sides are bracing for punches. Expect hostile EMCON and response immediately/pre-emptively.
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Order Check If you haven't done so please link your orders in the sheet. I'm waiting on orders from : Taintrunner (AEW) Kyoon Griffy Jr Oscardiggs My apologies if I missed your order in the thread but please add it to the sheet. I'm aiming to run the mission Saturday.
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Oct 19, 2018 16:41
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Will do tonight, apologies for the holdup.
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It's totally OK to just say "no orders" as well. Sometimes doing nothing is the best course of action.
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The Sub back with most of Bac’s group is Oscar Diggs 1. Just follow along completely with Bac’s orders as it moves to the cordon zone. Speed, depth, etc etc. My Intent The Sub that’s more forward is Oscar Diggs 2. That contact to the north-east of Bac is a baddy, I’ve never been more sure in my 0 minute long career. Move to intercept the contact with the eventual goal of shooting it with a torpedo. I’m going to operate under the assumption it’s going to stay where it is, come forward as it moves to Iturup, or move toward Bac to investigate his sub. So, move slowish into the perfect ambush position, ideally with its cross section toward me for maximum solution but that’s not a "Don't do it if I don't have it" requirement, with the option for a bit more speed depending on its eventual heading. My speed shouldn't ever be faster than 5kts though. We'll stay a fair ways under the warm layer for now, in something called the shadow zone. Try and fire the torpedo a few kilometres within maximum range, but not like knife fighting distance, with the best firing solution available. I’m aiming for one shot one kill. I’ve been told these are wire guided, so no quick maneuvers immediately after launching, but obviously I will be wanting to move to evade anything that comes to investigate.
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We have orders from OscarDiggs, and Taintrunner says they'll get orders in later. Kyoon, if you're there, we need orders from you. I'd personally advise resolving the contact directly ahead of you, since if it's an SSN, it'll beat you in a stern chase. If you don't post orders in 4-5 hours, I might post contingency orders to that effect to help Yooper move things along.
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Oct 20, 2018 02:23
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I've added a link to my orders in the spreadsheet.
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Yooper, Kyoon's most recent post is a good statement of intent. Shadow the submarine directly ahead, if hostile, engage. Contingency orders are probably unneeded, but: use all efforts to remain stealthy--don't go fast, don't go active.
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yeah sorry gents: Orders - stay very quiet while investigating the contact in front of me. Passive only, slow. if biologic, ignore and continue on same heading quietly. if an enemy sub, engage.
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Japan Turn #2  First we'll roll through individual units with orders and show you guys where everything is going. SS590 - Kyoon Griffey Jr  SS 501 - Bac  SS590 - Oscar Diggs  SS501 - Bac  SS590 - Oscar Diggs  SS501 - Bac  SS501 - Bac (East of Island Chain)  Surface Group  MISSIONS  All missions are shown above. We also have a standby strike mission in case there is a zergrush. Same for Val Helmetheads F-4's. GO GO GO  OscarDiggs picks up a goblin to his east.  Goblin near Kyoon Griffy has turned out to be a biologic of some sort. All patrol aircraft are taxiing and preparing to take off.  Bac resolves a goblin into a biologic.  First birds in the air. Everyone is headed to there respective patrol zones.  All birds in the air and headed to mission zones. 1010.03 : All goblins resolved to be biologics.  Bogey. Our J/FPS-4 resolves a single contact 42nm to the north. A second later we receive airspeed, 480 kts, and it's 400 ft AGL. No emissions detected, zero resolution on type. As it's outside the prosecution zone Sakura flight is ignoring it. For now.  Bogey penetrates into the prosecution zone and Sakura Flight goes into offensive mode. Bogey is 120 nm from Sakura flight. 43 nm until the F-15J can fire a missile.  Suddenly, on the opposite end of the island a radar evaporates. There is no bogey in sight.  Sakura flight lets loose two AAM-4B Kai missiles. Each speeds towards the bogey at 2500 knots. The bogey is only 4.5nm from the radar. The missile has 54 nm to go...  The SU-27SM/SM3 Flanker B is going in for the attack run! The AAM's are blasting through the air, super-sonic, but it won't be in time.  In another flash the next radar dish is gone. The Flanker starts to gain altitude.  Ronin patrol catches a lone bogey coming in using the islands as cover. (I verified that the Japanese radars are operational at this point, and they are/were.)  Ronin flight fires! They got a much better lead on the target than Sakura flight had. The AAM's scream through the air.  At the exact same moment the north Flanker dives for the sea just as the AAM's go active.  It's a hit! But it doesn't knock it out of the sky.  And then suddenly it's gone.  Suddenly a missile appears from where the Flanker disappeared.  Just north of Kushiro two of the AAM's blast towards the inbound bogey.  They go active, the bogey seems to pay no attention or attempt to evade.  And it missed! One more missile inbound. Further to the north the stray missile is flying off into oblivion.  The second missile misses too! Both Eagles crank back up to top speed and fire off another pair of AAM's!  It'll be whisker close. The further of the two Eagles launches.  Look at this! 2.3 nm till target! The missiles are screaming, but will they make it?  The missiles go ative as the target is 1077 meters away from the radar dish.  400 meters from the target and the hostile looses a missile!  The bogey unleashes a spray of rounds that smashes apart the delicate radar electronics. But with two AAM's inbound, it might be his last move.  And not a second later the AAM-4B smashes into the bogey and it evaporates in a cloud of flames.  With the skies clear the patrols settle in, the only radar umbrella coming from Taintrunner in his E-767.  A minute later a pair of Yaogan satellites crests over China surely revealing much from there ELINT suites.  Sakura Flight gets some radar ground emitters near the Russian airbase. Unknown type.  Kyoon Griffey picks up another goblin just to his north. His current path will take him near it and could be resolved in the next hour.  And that's our 30 minutes! I'll give a run down of units now.  ESCORT GROUP  Ronin Patrol  Sakura Patrol  P-3's  [img]https://lpix.org/3273805/Command_2018-10-20_19-16-55.png[/url][/img] Subs! Please let me know if you need more status or information on a unit.  Going ahead we'll do all aircraft with patrol, strike, or support missions.
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I'll have some more specific orders shortly, but I'd like to take a moment to make a statement about the loss of our radars. Yes, we lost some coastal radars. Decent ones, with a 550 km air search. By moving our 650 km E-767 a bit, we can cover for all of them. We haven't lost any particular capability in losing the radars. In addition, we've drawn blood on the enemy planes, and in so doing we've identified them. I'd identified the MiG-29s as 29Ks because they were supposed to be off the Kuznetsov. Turns out they're 29SMTs. Which aren't carrier capable, but eh. They'd be this unit, which doesn't have any Kayaks, and only has the ARM version of the Krypton. The Flanker type, similarly, has been identified as Su-27SM/SM3 Flanker Bs. It has no significant long-range air to surface weapons, and we outrange its Alamos by 10 km. There are much worse Flanker types this could have been. Therefore remain strong. We've taken losses, but not irreplaceable ones, and now we know more about the enemy.
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F-4's continue to stand by. Find me something to hit!
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Wednesday Order Deadline. If I have all the orders earlier I'll try and run the mission sooner.. If you don't want to change anything then leave the orders link in the sheet.
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Right, I need to give orders, and here they are. Air Units (Jimmy4400Nav, Stairmaster, Tythas, Taintrunner, Valhelmethead) -- Taintrunner, move your E-767 mission more over Central Hokkaido, so that it covers the places the ground radars used to cover more effectively. All you need to do is move the waypoints a bit. Tythas, coordinate with Taintrunner to adjust the currently airborne flights and make sure the E-767 is appropriately screened. Naval Units (Popete) -- You're still at least one or two turns away from a decision point about shelling Burevestnik or not, so continue. Submarines (Baccaruda, Kyoon Griffey Jr., Oscar Diggs) -- Kyoon, there's one last unknown goblin to your north. Resolve it, then pull back to a cordon with Bacarruda's and Oscar Diggs' forward submarines. Bac, Oscar, continue to sort out your cordon. You have my permission to go into "sprint and drift" mode (dive as low as you can, go fast, slow down, come back up) for your rear submarines, as needed. Don't put more than two subs in "sprint" mode at a time if you do, however. Davin Valkri fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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Orders The surface fleet shall continue it's present course. Deploy the Sea Hawk to sonar dip just ahead of the fleet.
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P-3's Continue as ordered/follow established Commander's Intent.
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go check out the other goblin same rules as before. if its a hwhale, and no other contacts appear, return to baccaruda's patrol line below the thermal layer
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oh can someone link a brother to the discord
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:oh can someone link a brother to the discord https://discord.gg/zYpVnS6
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Everyone, if you don't have any special changes to make to your orders--because the last turn's ones are still valid, or still being carried out, or whatever--could you post to that effect here?
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