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David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?

So some more Joss Wheedon being a shithead on the set of Justice League this time about Gal Gadot.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/joss-whedon-threatened-gal-gadots-career-during-justice-league-mess-report?ref=home

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DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


https://twitter.com/notsofiacoppola/status/1379509976033468417?s=19

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch


Should've posted part 2

https://twitter.com/notsofiacoppola/status/1379510358176530432?s=19

Conrad_Birdie
Jul 10, 2009


I know Iíve mentioned this before in this thread but with all this coming out about him I want to bring up the time Geoff Johns name searched on Twitter and aggressively DMíd me because I had critiqued the way he said he was for racial diversity in comics but yet he kept killing heroes of color to bring back their previous white versions. He DMíd me, some no name teen, because I offered criticism of the way he was handling POC in his comics.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017





Conrad_Birdie posted:

I know Iíve mentioned this before in this thread but with all this coming out about him I want to bring up the time Geoff Johns name searched on Twitter and aggressively DMíd me because I had critiqued the way he said he was for racial diversity in comics but yet he kept killing heroes of color to bring back their previous white versions. He DMíd me, some no name teen, because I offered criticism of the way he was handling POC in his comics.

Chris Sims of Comics Alliance went through something similar when he did a story on his old blog that had a readership in probably the dozens at the point.

Conrad_Birdie
Jul 10, 2009


Itís very obviously a trend for Johns, and has been for some time.

A real shame because his Flash run is the literal single reason I got into comics as a kid. He was my first favorite writer!

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


Johns has never identified himself as anything but an average white dude to my knowledge. Is this "Lebanese-American" thing new?

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

It was all going well, and then the parademons showed up


Fallen Rib

Rhyno posted:

Johns has never identified himself as anything but an average white dude to my knowledge. Is this "Lebanese-American" thing new?

I think it came up when Baz was introduced as a Green Lantern.

JordanKai
Aug 19, 2011

Get high and think of me.




Conrad_Birdie posted:

I know Iíve mentioned this before in this thread but with all this coming out about him I want to bring up the time Geoff Johns name searched on Twitter and aggressively DMíd me because I had critiqued the way he said he was for racial diversity in comics but yet he kept killing heroes of color to bring back their previous white versions. He DMíd me, some no name teen, because I offered criticism of the way he was handling POC in his comics.

Doug TenNapel once called me a communist after namesearching himself and finding a tweet I made about him, so Johns is in good company there.

Vincent
Nov 25, 2005





JordanKai posted:

Doug TenNapel once called me a communist after namesearching himself and finding a tweet I made about him, so Johns is in good company there.

It's incredibly funny to me that people use "communist" as an insult.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004



I would be ecstatic if TenNapel called me a communist.

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




Non-Muslim Lebanese Americans generally fall into the "generic white person" group if they don't have an accent. Not to discount their heritage, just your average American wouldn't be able to tell if they were of Lebanese or German or Italian descent so they wouldn't experience the same discrimination as people of other ethnic heritages would.

It's basically the equivalent of, if he was Irish American, pointing out the Irish used to be slaves in an article about how he was racist to a Black guy.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004



White people using their nationality to obfuscate issues in regards to colorism is nothing new.

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




ruddiger posted:

White people using their nationality to obfuscate issues in regards to colorism is nothing new.

Yes, but were you aware 100 years ago bars in New York used to have signs saying "No Irish allowed."

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

It was all going well, and then the parademons showed up


Fallen Rib

Skwirl posted:

Non-Muslim Lebanese Americans generally fall into the "generic white person" group if they don't have an accent. Not to discount their heritage, just your average American wouldn't be able to tell if they were of Lebanese or German or Italian descent so they wouldn't experience the same discrimination as people of other ethnic heritages would.

It's basically the equivalent of, if he was Irish American, pointing out the Irish used to be slaves in an article about how he was racist to a Black guy.

This can get into some uncomfortable territory and into "how white is white enough/too white" when discussing ethnic groups. I'm not saying people of certain ethnic groups can't get by by "passing" but it can also lead to a statement of "oh they are from that ethnic group but not really because they look white". It is kind of erasing culture and such from a person. If someone is Christian Lebanese it doesn't make them any less Lebanese than if they are Muslim.

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




Madkal posted:

This can get into some uncomfortable territory and into "how white is white enough/too white" when discussing ethnic groups. I'm not saying people of certain ethnic groups can't get by by "passing" but it can also lead to a statement of "oh they are from that ethnic group but not really because they look white". It is kind of erasing culture and such from a person. If someone is Christian Lebanese it doesn't make them any less Lebanese than if they are Muslim.

The main thing I was trying to say is there hasn't been any systematic targeting in America of Lebanese people for discrimination the way there has been of women, African Americans or Native Pacific Islanders.

It should also be pointed out that members of a discriminated against class are still perfectly capable of being racist/discriminatory, Joss Whedon's treatment of Gal Gadot is terrible, but I wouldn't mind her getting black listed over statements she's made about Palestine (which won't happen because they're one of the only groups you're allowed to be racist about).

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013





Madkal posted:

This can get into some uncomfortable territory and into "how white is white enough/too white" when discussing ethnic groups. I'm not saying people of certain ethnic groups can't get by by "passing" but it can also lead to a statement of "oh they are from that ethnic group but not really because they look white". It is kind of erasing culture and such from a person. If someone is Christian Lebanese it doesn't make them any less Lebanese than if they are Muslim.
White isn't a culture or ethnicity. It's just an appearance and behavior that means the cops don't gently caress with you as much and you're less likely to be targeted for a hate crime. Their is Irish American culture, there is Midwestern culture, etc but there is no white culture etc. Johns does not get pulled over for his appearance, does not got to a place of worship likely to be shot up by some psycho, his accent does not get him refused service. He is white.

Vincent
Nov 25, 2005





It's all well and good, but Johns is using "Lebanese-American" to appear less racist in a hollywood magazine after it came out that he is a racist dickhead, not to take pride in his heritage or reclaim anything.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

Get running
Start pumping your bunions, I'm coming
I'm the dumbest, who flamethrow your function to Funyons
Flame your crew quicker than Trump fucks his youngest
Now face the flame fuckers your fame and fate's done with





Vincent posted:

It's all well and good, but Johns is using "Lebanese-American" to appear less racist in a hollywood magazine after it came out that he is a racist dickhead, not to take pride in his heritage or reclaim anything.
It's this

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

It was all going well, and then the parademons showed up


Fallen Rib

Yea I am not trying to defend Johns and his reasons for why he brings up his background, just that people shouldn't start saying "people from ethnic group 1 aren't really from that ethnic group because they follow a different religion from other people from that region".
It kind of comes across as when people wrote thought pieces about how Obama wasn't black enough. If someone is from a certain ethnic background and is a lovely person, they are still a lovely person and we don't really need to attack their background as not being pure enough.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004



Madkal posted:

Yea I am not trying to defend Johns and his reasons for why he brings up his background, just that people shouldn't start saying "people from ethnic group 1 aren't really from that ethnic group because they follow a different religion from other people from that region".
It kind of comes across as when people wrote thought pieces about how Obama wasn't black enough. If someone is from a certain ethnic background and is a lovely person, they are still a lovely person and we don't really need to attack their background as not being pure enough.

No one is saying this tho? Unless I missed that post. Iím coming at this as a person of color, which is why I said what I said and chose the words I chose. Hispanic communities face the same issue, white Latinos sell out their brown brothers all the time, nationality has nothing to do with it, their white privilige absolutely does.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

It was all going well, and then the parademons showed up


Fallen Rib

ruddiger posted:

No one is saying this tho? Unless I missed that post. Iím coming at this as a person of color, which is why I said what I said and chose the words I chose. Hispanic communities face the same issue, white Latinos sell out their brown brothers all the time, nationality has nothing to do with it, their white privilige absolutely does.

Was replying to this:

Skwirl posted:

Non-Muslim Lebanese Americans generally fall into the "generic white person" group if they don't have an accent. Not to discount their heritage, just your average American wouldn't be able to tell if they were of Lebanese or German or Italian descent so they wouldn't experience the same discrimination as people of other ethnic heritages would.

It's basically the equivalent of, if he was Irish American, pointing out the Irish used to be slaves in an article about how he was racist to a Black guy.

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer

Madkal posted:

Was replying to this:

yeah and if this wasn't in response to Johns being called racist, you'd have a point. The whole reason he's suddenly identifying as a Lebanese-American, that he had a Black wife and now and Asian wife, it to say "hey, i can't possibly be racist!"

which is racist as gently caress

EDIT: Johns is racist as gently caress, not you, Madkal.

Soonmot fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Apr 7, 2021

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




Madkal posted:

Was replying to this:

Assume I was also being racist
I think this point still stands.

Skwirl posted:


It should also be pointed out that members of a discriminated against class are still perfectly capable of being racist/discriminatory, Joss Whedon's treatment of Gal Gadot is terrible, but I wouldn't mind her getting black listed over statements she's made about Palestine (which won't happen because they're one of the only groups you're allowed to be racist about).

E the Shaggy
Mar 29, 2010


https://twitter.com/SuburbanJawn/status/1382658734883758082?s=20

Who could have seen this coming from the creator of "Little Girl Lethal"??

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011


E the Shaggy posted:

https://twitter.com/SuburbanJawn/status/1382658734883758082?s=20

Who could have seen this coming from the creator of "Little Girl Lethal"??

I hope the lettering on that preview page leads to some kind of enhancement charge.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm not a hero...





Claytor posted:

I hope the lettering on that preview page leads to some kind of enhancement charge.

Beat me to it.

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Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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E the Shaggy posted:

https://twitter.com/SuburbanJawn/status/1382658734883758082?s=20

Who could have seen this coming from the creator of "Little Girl Lethal"??

First reply is pointing out that Mr Paedo here is a friend of EVS.

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