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So some more Joss Wheedon being a shithead on the set of Justice League this time about Gal Gadot. https://www.thedailybeast.com/joss-whedon-threatened-gal-gadots-career-during-justice-league-mess-report?ref=home
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Apr 7, 2021 11:21
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Should've posted part 2 https://twitter.com/notsofiacoppola/status/1379510358176530432?s=19
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Apr 7, 2021 14:07
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I know I’ve mentioned this before in this thread but with all this coming out about him I want to bring up the time Geoff Johns name searched on Twitter and aggressively DM’d me because I had critiqued the way he said he was for racial diversity in comics but yet he kept killing heroes of color to bring back their previous white versions. He DM’d me, some no name teen, because I offered criticism of the way he was handling POC in his comics.
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Conrad_Birdie posted:I know I’ve mentioned this before in this thread but with all this coming out about him I want to bring up the time Geoff Johns name searched on Twitter and aggressively DM’d me because I had critiqued the way he said he was for racial diversity in comics but yet he kept killing heroes of color to bring back their previous white versions. He DM’d me, some no name teen, because I offered criticism of the way he was handling POC in his comics. Chris Sims of Comics Alliance went through something similar when he did a story on his old blog that had a readership in probably the dozens at the point.
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Apr 7, 2021 15:57
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It’s very obviously a trend for Johns, and has been for some time. A real shame because his Flash run is the literal single reason I got into comics as a kid. He was my first favorite writer!
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Apr 7, 2021 16:33
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Johns has never identified himself as anything but an average white dude to my knowledge. Is this "Lebanese-American" thing new?
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Apr 7, 2021 16:38
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Rhyno posted:Johns has never identified himself as anything but an average white dude to my knowledge. Is this "Lebanese-American" thing new? I think it came up when Baz was introduced as a Green Lantern.
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Apr 7, 2021 17:14
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Conrad_Birdie posted:I know I’ve mentioned this before in this thread but with all this coming out about him I want to bring up the time Geoff Johns name searched on Twitter and aggressively DM’d me because I had critiqued the way he said he was for racial diversity in comics but yet he kept killing heroes of color to bring back their previous white versions. He DM’d me, some no name teen, because I offered criticism of the way he was handling POC in his comics. Doug TenNapel once called me a communist after namesearching himself and finding a tweet I made about him, so Johns is in good company there.
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Apr 7, 2021 17:53
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JordanKai posted:Doug TenNapel once called me a communist after namesearching himself and finding a tweet I made about him, so Johns is in good company there. It's incredibly funny to me that people use "communist" as an insult.
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Apr 7, 2021 18:16
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I would be ecstatic if TenNapel called me a communist.
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Apr 7, 2021 18:37
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Non-Muslim Lebanese Americans generally fall into the "generic white person" group if they don't have an accent. Not to discount their heritage, just your average American wouldn't be able to tell if they were of Lebanese or German or Italian descent so they wouldn't experience the same discrimination as people of other ethnic heritages would. It's basically the equivalent of, if he was Irish American, pointing out the Irish used to be slaves in an article about how he was racist to a Black guy.
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Apr 7, 2021 18:51
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White people using their nationality to obfuscate issues in regards to colorism is nothing new.
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Apr 7, 2021 19:04
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ruddiger posted:White people using their nationality to obfuscate issues in regards to colorism is nothing new. Yes, but were you aware 100 years ago bars in New York used to have signs saying "No Irish allowed."
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Apr 7, 2021 19:06
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Skwirl posted:Non-Muslim Lebanese Americans generally fall into the "generic white person" group if they don't have an accent. Not to discount their heritage, just your average American wouldn't be able to tell if they were of Lebanese or German or Italian descent so they wouldn't experience the same discrimination as people of other ethnic heritages would. This can get into some uncomfortable territory and into "how white is white enough/too white" when discussing ethnic groups. I'm not saying people of certain ethnic groups can't get by by "passing" but it can also lead to a statement of "oh they are from that ethnic group but not really because they look white". It is kind of erasing culture and such from a person. If someone is Christian Lebanese it doesn't make them any less Lebanese than if they are Muslim.
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Apr 7, 2021 19:59
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Madkal posted:This can get into some uncomfortable territory and into "how white is white enough/too white" when discussing ethnic groups. I'm not saying people of certain ethnic groups can't get by by "passing" but it can also lead to a statement of "oh they are from that ethnic group but not really because they look white". It is kind of erasing culture and such from a person. If someone is Christian Lebanese it doesn't make them any less Lebanese than if they are Muslim. The main thing I was trying to say is there hasn't been any systematic targeting in America of Lebanese people for discrimination the way there has been of women, African Americans or Native Pacific Islanders. It should also be pointed out that members of a discriminated against class are still perfectly capable of being racist/discriminatory, Joss Whedon's treatment of Gal Gadot is terrible, but I wouldn't mind her getting black listed over statements she's made about Palestine (which won't happen because they're one of the only groups you're allowed to be racist about).
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Apr 7, 2021 20:39
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Madkal posted:This can get into some uncomfortable territory and into "how white is white enough/too white" when discussing ethnic groups. I'm not saying people of certain ethnic groups can't get by by "passing" but it can also lead to a statement of "oh they are from that ethnic group but not really because they look white". It is kind of erasing culture and such from a person. If someone is Christian Lebanese it doesn't make them any less Lebanese than if they are Muslim.
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Apr 7, 2021 21:14
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It's all well and good, but Johns is using "Lebanese-American" to appear less racist in a hollywood magazine after it came out that he is a racist dickhead, not to take pride in his heritage or reclaim anything.
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Apr 7, 2021 21:26
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Vincent posted:It's all well and good, but Johns is using "Lebanese-American" to appear less racist in a hollywood magazine after it came out that he is a racist dickhead, not to take pride in his heritage or reclaim anything.
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Yea I am not trying to defend Johns and his reasons for why he brings up his background, just that people shouldn't start saying "people from ethnic group 1 aren't really from that ethnic group because they follow a different religion from other people from that region". It kind of comes across as when people wrote thought pieces about how Obama wasn't black enough. If someone is from a certain ethnic background and is a lovely person, they are still a lovely person and we don't really need to attack their background as not being pure enough.
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Madkal posted:Yea I am not trying to defend Johns and his reasons for why he brings up his background, just that people shouldn't start saying "people from ethnic group 1 aren't really from that ethnic group because they follow a different religion from other people from that region". No one is saying this tho? Unless I missed that post. I’m coming at this as a person of color, which is why I said what I said and chose the words I chose. Hispanic communities face the same issue, white Latinos sell out their brown brothers all the time, nationality has nothing to do with it, their white privilige absolutely does.
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ruddiger posted:No one is saying this tho? Unless I missed that post. I’m coming at this as a person of color, which is why I said what I said and chose the words I chose. Hispanic communities face the same issue, white Latinos sell out their brown brothers all the time, nationality has nothing to do with it, their white privilige absolutely does. Was replying to this: Skwirl posted:Non-Muslim Lebanese Americans generally fall into the "generic white person" group if they don't have an accent. Not to discount their heritage, just your average American wouldn't be able to tell if they were of Lebanese or German or Italian descent so they wouldn't experience the same discrimination as people of other ethnic heritages would.
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Madkal posted:Was replying to this: yeah and if this wasn't in response to Johns being called racist, you'd have a point. The whole reason he's suddenly identifying as a Lebanese-American, that he had a Black wife and now and Asian wife, it to say "hey, i can't possibly be racist!" which is racist as gently caress EDIT: Johns is racist as gently caress, not you, Madkal. Soonmot fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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Madkal posted:Was replying to this: Assume I was also being racist I think this point still stands. Skwirl posted:
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https://twitter.com/SuburbanJawn/status/1382658734883758082?s=20 Who could have seen this coming from the creator of "Little Girl Lethal"??
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E the Shaggy posted:https://twitter.com/SuburbanJawn/status/1382658734883758082?s=20 I hope the lettering on that preview page leads to some kind of enhancement charge.
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Claytor posted:I hope the lettering on that preview page leads to some kind of enhancement charge. Beat me to it.
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E the Shaggy posted:https://twitter.com/SuburbanJawn/status/1382658734883758082?s=20 First reply is pointing out that Mr Paedo here is a friend of EVS.
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So some people are made that cast a non binary actor in sandman to play a non binary character https://www-thewrap-com.cdn.ampproj...31AQFKAGwASA%3D
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And Death (and all the Endless) appear to people as those people expect them to be, so being literal about skin colors makes no sense.
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Uthor posted:And Death (and all the Endless) appear to people as those people expect them to be, so being literal about skin colors makes no sense. Yeah, there's flashbacks to ancient Africa and Dream looks African in them.
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Dream is a kitty cat a not insignificant amount of time!
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Uthor posted:And Death (and all the Endless) appear to people as those people expect them to be, so being literal about skin colors makes no sense. Like it's good that they're casting like this, but being anal about comics canon is also important! 
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Could have sworn they've shown Death interacting in a different body with aliens, but I could be remembering Dream and also I'm not home, so I don't have access to the books to get into a pedantic fight, so I yield!
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There was someone who complained that making Death black when she looks white in the comics would be the same as making Mazakeen in Lucifer white when she'd been portrayed as black in the Lucifer comics. Mazikeen was white in the comics. I like the show but I was a little annoyed about the portrayal of Mazikeen, not her skin color, but the fact that all of the skin on her face was there. Felt like a betrayal of the character.
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Uthor posted:Could have sworn they've shown Death interacting in a different body with aliens, but I could be remembering Dream and also I'm not home, so I don't have access to the books to get into a pedantic fight, so I yield! ...I don't have room in my head for anything other than this stuff. 
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BrianWilly posted:She talked about interacting with aliens a few times, but I don't believe it was ever depicted. Dream is the one who turned into a big flaming head when Martian Manhunter sees him. I'm watching the Superman and Lois show with my mom and just had to explain John Henry Irons/Steel to her (Return of Superman was the first graphic novel I owned, bought for me by my mom before a long plane flight, so it's her own fault really), and at a certain point she just said "no, stop, no more."
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Skwirl posted:I'm watching the Superman and Lois show with my mom and just had to explain John Henry Irons/Steel to her (Return of Superman was the first graphic novel I owned, bought for me by my mom before a long plane flight, so it's her own fault really), and at a certain point she just said "no, stop, no more." Wait, how much is there to explain? "At one point, everyone thought Superman was dead for a while. One of the people who tried to fill his shoes was a guy named John Henry Irons, who made a robot suit like Iron Man and called himself Steel."
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Skwirl posted:There was someone who complained that making Death black when she looks white in the comics would be the same as making Mazakeen in Lucifer white when she'd been portrayed as black in the Lucifer comics. Mazikeen was white in the comics. I like the show but I was a little annoyed about the portrayal of Mazikeen, not her skin color, but the fact that all of the skin on her face was there. Felt like a betrayal of the character. The instant I saw her design I knew I was going to hate that show, for the exact same reason.
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Kurui Reiten posted:Wait, how much is there to explain? Steel himself was fine, it's that it was one of the first comics I read where I actually absorbed the lore and also at the time Lex Luthor was pretending to be his own son and Supergirl was a purple alien that was dating Lex Luthor.
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