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Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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One of the things that you saw in the last thread was Death Ray’s argument that by failing to engage people in conversation you lose out the chance to influence them. I think we can all agree that for Death Ray and guys like that this is a bad faith argument. Engaging them gives them credibility because they are actually in the conversation. They aren’t worth engaging.

That said, and this is probably bigger than comics, I really want to figure out how to engage people in real life on stuff like this. The number of intelligent and genuinely good people I know who fall for poo poo like Jordan Peterson is really disheartening. I think these people do need to be engaged, if only to point them in the direction of good arguments to the contrary.

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Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Lemire and Tomasi.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Who gives a gently caress about no-talent hacks like that. Time spend dissecting their work is time that could be spent on literally anything else.

The Brandon graham stuff is disappointing but moreso because this isn’t new.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Kai Tave posted:

Four days from account creation to being kicked out of an entire subforum probably isn't a new SA record but it's certainly something.

yeah it's definitely something that someone created a smurf account to troll / harass people in this thread

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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EVS is more of a Moe than a KirLee.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Vince MechMahon posted:

That's only with bullshit Hollywood math where it counts all previous attempts to make a third Ghostbusters film in it.

Also the issue with it wasn't that it was "woke" anyway, it was that it was just a really middle of the road, nothing movie.

The Hollywood Reporter article that claims that also has a Sony rep disagreeing with the numbers. Sooooo

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Looks like standard local indie comics.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Puppy Time posted:

EVS says comics are dying but they're not.

Capes comics are dying, mostly because they've focused on their core audience for too long and repeatedly bungled any attempts to reach out to other (particularly younger) audiences, or to make their main products accessible to new fans.

But comics in general are on the rise. Partly because of all those dreadful SJWs wanting to buy comics they like.

I’m not sure this is true at all.

This forum is pretty big on indie and smaller books, but go look in the shipping thread for a representative sample of what people buy even from here. The lauded resurgence of DC came when they dumped all the weirdness of the new 52 and focused on the core big heroes. Even here, we care about Batman and Superman and Spider-Man and the X-Men, and there’s only a handful of people who go really deep on indie books.

My shop doesn’t stock indie books most of the time, because they don’t sell in high enough numbers to justify the investment. The comic buying public is still buying big 2 and cape books.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Puppy Time posted:

Most of it isn't via traditional distribution. Mainly because people know that comic shops are a dicey proposition if you're not an adult white straight dude.

I’m curious what numbers you have to support this.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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“only”

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Social media platforms are bad but the connections they enable are real and good.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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I found it in a dollar bin today. Did not buy.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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I love digging through the cheap bins and finding still sealed copies of gimmick books. So many untouched playing cards and such.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Ignoring the way he handled his Kickstarter, I would. I bought Major X because of the promise of Liefeld art. I love that stuff.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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This is awful.

Interesting to read the replies from various pros.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Rhyno posted:

Back in my day comics were mostly printed in the great nation of CANADA.

Back in the very recent day we had a legit pulp and paper industry :(

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Dawgstar posted:

What happened, out of curiosity?

The prematurely announced death of the newspaper and other paper media, the rise of the Canadian dollar through the first decade of the 2000s, the softwood lumber duties... there were a bunch of bankruptcies and closings at the end of the last decade.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Dawgstar posted:

He's already got a book coming out in - ha ha, almost got me - anyway, it's called Major X and is supposed to be Out Soon. That said one of the selling points of Rob was that he was by all accounts a very nice guy to deal with, and a friend of mine co-wrote the Deadpool Bad Blood TPB so I've got a first hand account.

That was before the whole Kickstarter thing and Never Trump But Build The Wall thing.

Major x is already out as a comic...

Disappointing to see the racist tweet.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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So like is that an actual tweet or an edit? Because I feel like it maybe would have come up at some point before now.


quote:

“Don’t be a freaking nazi, white supremacist or bigot of any sort! It’s un-American and in fact it’s inhumane! Be good to each other and LOVE more! Embrace it as its far easier to love than hate. My wife’s grandma always said that ‘hate consumes and contaminates the vessel in which it is stored.’ I believe this to be true above all else.”

Yes, this also made me think he's probably a nazi.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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SoftNum posted:

What is

umm

wrong with this person? The whole twitter feed is weird. Why do they think they own youngblood?

That’s the best part. Because they do.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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TLDR is that liefeld had a partner and the partner sold to this guy.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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https://twitter.com/Joshua_Luna/status/1203078403353694208?s=20

Yooooo gently caress Jonathan Luna. Bad enough to do this kind of poo poo to a business partner, but to your younger brother? Scum.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Skwirl posted:

It honestly didn't start as a metaphor for racism, Stan Lee and Jack Kirby just got a little tired of origin stories. Most of the progressivism of it really didn't start until Claremont.

I don't think there was any non white X-Men until Giant Size. When was Magneto first revealed to be a holocaust survivor?

Not a lot of non white anybody in those early days. If you wanted a black hero who showed up regularly, I hope you like the Falcon. Or Luke Cage. Both of whom live in Harlem.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Dawgstar posted:



It's fascinating to watch Liefeld, whose shtick has been 'oh, he's such a nice guy' continue to whiz goodwill down his leg in a matter of months. While I'm sure Rob would walk it back that he didn't mean <specific writer here>, he throws so many amazing things under the bus. And it's coming from a guy whose go-to plot is 'from the future.'

His nostalgia is for a certain era, and like many people he can’t see past his own likes.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Skwirl posted:

How many years went by between Sony getting the rights to Spider-Man and Sony actually making a Spider-Man movie? And that's loving Spider-Man. There's probably 100 things that get movie rights sold and never get a movie made for every one that does.

Preacher was in development hell for like 15 years.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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I mean sgm obviously has a political bent (just read the work) but that’s a pretty mild take.

Real passive aggressive though.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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That’s a good store.

Also the 90s were good actually, but not for the reason comicgate weirdos think.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Random twitter guy but lol what

https://twitter.com/LarrysComics/status/1251504918629888001?s=20

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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JordanKai posted:

I think he's right in the sense that the sales of trades and manga in bookstores don't speak to the health of specialist comic book stores and single issue sales (I think that's the point he's trying to make??)

But he kind of buries that lede beneath his nonsense value judgment.

That's a problem with what specialist comic book stores are selling. Why in gods name would you not sell trades and manga if you're a comic book store. It's dumb as hell that I have access to a broader range of comics in a chain bookstore than in my local specialty shop.

"Comics are american-made superhero books" is the problem and why I won't mourn most of the shops that are forced to close (though I'll mourn my own shop, which is just as bad, but I like because the owner is a nice guy).

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Those late 60s comics are filled with "communist leaders are bad, but the people are good" stories.

The best (worst) is when Thor randomly interrupts cool god poo poo to go deal with Vietnamese soldiers.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Christ that’s a monopoly that needs to die.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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I laughed. I think I like that more than most of Jeet’s comics criticism.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Vulpes Vulpes posted:

Did a Facebook live Q&A for a Canadian comic shops telethon thing, and of course:


:stare:

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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How Wonderful! posted:

I think John Romita Sr.'s Peter Parker is definitely handsome and hunky in a way that Ditko's isn't.

Yeah was gonna say. JRSR drew hunky dudes.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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twistedmentat posted:

Jesus loving christ. Time to get rid of my Batgirl of Burnside trades.

While this is definitely legit, and I'd never question someone for removing poo poo from their lives, Kate herself has talked about how the other creators are great. That's a real challenge in this medium when so much of what gets produced is collaborative.

That's why it's so important for people in positions of authority to actually do something when people act like this.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Dawgstar posted:

https://twitter.com/DonCardenasArt/status/1272996794839052288

Some of these were news to me. Lobdell for one, Harras for another. Gary Groth as well.

Groth surprises me not one bit.

Farinas and Pope are the two names that popped out to me but honestly nothing really surprises me.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:

Aside from some pretty retrograde views of masculinity and general reliance on shock value (especially the recurring theme of rape as hilarious comedy), what else has Ennis done to become persona non grata?

Honestly that's enough. I still love Preacher and like Hitman (love, minus the wankjob that are the SAS issues) but man a lot of his stuff is just awful. Including in both of those books.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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I don’t think we can know what restorative justice looks like from afar, because as How Wonderful says, we’re outsiders to all of this. Our interaction is as spectators and consumers.

We each have to make our peace with what we’re willing to consume.

I’m still going to buy Fantagraphics books despite thinking Groth likely is a piece of poo poo because on balance I think the work they produce and the creators they work with are worth supporting. I’m probably not going to sell my transmet books. I’m not going to buy new Warren Ellis work, or Cameron Stewart work, just like I won’t support new Brandon Graham or Roc Upchurch work.

I hope Ellis can do things to be better in the future, but I don’t know that I would be willing to change my stance on supporting his work.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Also lol if you think taking away your 16 year old’s phone is going to be the thing that prevents them from loving, if they want to gently caress.

Teaching your kids about consent and to recognize gaslighting, and that you really can be trusted to support them when bad stuff is happening, is way more important than controlling their access to the internet (which is impossible anyway).

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Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




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Clipperton posted:

Follow literally any YA author on Twitter and you will see this is the case

Then immediately unfollow them because they're all Chuck Wendig-level terrible posters

Except for rick riordan, who seems very good.

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