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Ponsonby Britt
Mar 13, 2006
I think you mean, why is there silverware in the pancake drawer? Wassup?
Do you know what happens to a crab when it's struck by lightning???

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Ponsonby Britt
Mar 13, 2006
I think you mean, why is there silverware in the pancake drawer? Wassup?

Prokhor Zakharov posted:

I always figured him to be a garden variety neolib doofus based on this article from last year:

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/16/rob-liefeld-america-dont-freaking-nazi/

I mean, during the Bush administration a bunch of Democrats (including Obama and Clinton) voted to fund 700 miles of "fencing" on the border, which was basically just a euphemism for a wall. And even today, Democratic congressional leadership still talks about how they want to increase "border security" measures like drones, surveillance cameras, and the like, which would have a lot of the same policy effect as a wall without serving as a big obvious symbol of racism.

So basically the answer to Liefield's question is "yes, you can support a wall [or other harsh border measures] while disliking Trump."

Ponsonby Britt
Mar 13, 2006
I think you mean, why is there silverware in the pancake drawer? Wassup?

jwalrus posted:

Mark Laid is a porn star.

Markie Maid is from the gender-swap alternate universe, and Mark Spayed is from the talking-animal universe. Mark Flayed is from Westeros.

Ponsonby Britt
Mar 13, 2006
I think you mean, why is there silverware in the pancake drawer? Wassup?

FMguru posted:

There is a whole decades-long history of "King Conan sitting on his throne, brooding and alone" covers and artwork. It was even the final shot of the 1982 movie!

Wendell posted:

Thank you for proving that John Millius and Arnie ripped off that Batman drawing.

No no no, they were ripping off Hal Foster, who was ripping off the Comicsgate guy.

Ponsonby Britt
Mar 13, 2006
I think you mean, why is there silverware in the pancake drawer? Wassup?

Lencho posted:

All of these answers make a lot of sense. It's always been weird to me that a lot of the british people spewing this poo poo is surprisingly leftist or at least left-leaning, so I don't really consider them in the same neoconservative/reactionary box as most chuds. gently caress Graham Linehan and J.K. Rowling tho

My understanding of this is that it's historically rooted in the differing contexts of second-wave feminism in the US versus the UK. Basically, in the 70s feminists in both countries had a wide variety of perspectives on trans people. Some of the feminists in either country were welcoming and accepting of trans women, while others viewed them as men trying to infiltrate women-only spaces or whatever. This diverged in the 80s and 90s, because in the US the religious right got very powerful, and started attacking both LGBT people and women in general. Feminists and trans activists realized that the attacks on both of them were rooted in the same conservative gender ideology, so as a practical matter they formed alliances and as a theoretical matter US thinkers constructed ideological beliefs that worked for both women as a whole and trans women specifically. Meanwhile, in the UK, there wasn't really a religious right to remind people who the real fuckheads were, so anti-trans views were still sloshing around in feminist spaces to a much greater degree. It was then easy for right-wing politicians in the 00s through today to grab those views and exploit them as a wedge issue to peel off voters, which also spread the views around.

Ponsonby Britt
Mar 13, 2006
I think you mean, why is there silverware in the pancake drawer? Wassup?

doingitwrong posted:

It’s a weird thing to need to decide as a consumer as far as what I want to do about learning of problematic behavior of creators. Katie and Theramina both say they don’t want him cancelled, say he’s been a net good. “I want him to be healed and reformed. To. Do. The. loving. Work.” It’s a call for restorative justice. Which consumers really have no part in. Our choices are: consume or not consume a creator’s output.

I dunno how to think about this.

How Wonderful! posted:

Yeah. Restorative and transformative justice is something I believe in really strongly but it can be difficult to include in these conversations because as a bystander I am by definition not really part of the process. I like to believe that almost anyone can change and grow and make amends but unfortunately the closer someone is to a position of real power-- and the more they've been conditioned to think of their abuse of that power as earned or as ok-- the harder I think it is for them to take those steps.

ImpAtom posted:

Restorative justice is something I believe strongly in but the issue is that it almost always seems to be a case of "pretending to feel regret long enough for things to blow over." That isn't to say it never happens but it's hard to make it an aspirational goal when it gets abused over and over and over again. Especially in the case of prolific abusers where even if some victims feel that way nobody should feel obligated to forgive or excuse that behavior just because other people are.

I won't lie it's pretty depressing how many things I care about have become so tainted but it's not really easy for me to escape that, especially when I see how that behavior influences their work. Even if I try to separate the author and the work it still inevitably makes me read certain things in new lights. I find it easier to just cut the stuff from my life than to try to justify why I need to keep something made by someone awful around. At least with entertainment I can cut myself off and just feel a bit down for a while, which is easier than dealing with awful family members/friends/co-workers/whatever.

I really like this framework for how to think about restorative justice in this context. It emphasizes four elements: (1) has the person involved been punished in some way that deters future bad behavior; (2) has the person made restitution, both to the person they wronged and to the community as a whole; (3) remorse (is the person involved actually sorry and are they making an actual effort to be better in the future); and (4) penance (is the person taking affirmative steps to make the world better, aside from just fixing their previous mistakes). I think this is a good roadmap for what somebody can do if they actually want to make up for their mistakes, and also provides a good checklist to evaluate whether people are actually seriously trying to get better, or are just mouthing empty words. I also like it because it's explicitly focused on how we as the public should think about these things, while leaving the space for the individuals who've been wronged to feel and act however they want to in response.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/11/can-penitent-sexual-predators-ever-be-granted-redemption

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Ponsonby Britt
Mar 13, 2006
I think you mean, why is there silverware in the pancake drawer? Wassup?

Internet Wizard posted:

Or maybe all vampires are Asian

I don't remember any hopping vampires in the Blade movies, although I guess it's been a while since I saw them.

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