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pressedbunny posted:My interpretation is that their relationship isn't healthy, as King Shark's sublot pointed out/foreshadowed. With Kiteman, Ivy would be settling for the safe, pedestrian choice and won't actually be happy. King Shark wants someone who excites him; for Ivy, that means Harley. I mean...theres a reason I stopped reading superhero comics. You hit a point where it becomes kind of clear that There is just no interest in making anything aimed at a queer audience. If there is it's either something thats quietly made, released, and canceled and you only hear about it like...two years after the fact. Or you end up with stuff like Snowflake and Safe Space.
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BigRed0427 posted:I mean...theres a reason I stopped reading superhero comics. You hit a point where it becomes kind of clear that There is just no interest in making anything aimed at a queer audience. If there is it's either something thats quietly made, released, and canceled and you only hear about it like...two years after the fact. Or you end up with stuff like Snowflake and Safe Space. I will never forgive DC for demanding the wedding between Kate and Mags not happen and then giving it some mealy mouthed bullshit of "we don't want our major heroes tied down in marriages!!"
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Chokes McGee posted:I will never forgive DC for demanding the wedding between Kate and Mags not happen and then giving it some mealy mouthed bullshit of "we don't want our major heroes tied down in marriages!!" THere is this strain of thought that says that superheros can't have happy personal lives that I will never understand.
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pressedbunny posted:My interpretation is that their relationship isn't healthy, as King Shark's sublot pointed out/foreshadowed. With Kiteman, Ivy would be settling for the safe, pedestrian choice and won't actually be happy. King Shark wants someone who excites him; for Ivy, that means Harley. mllaneza posted:The problem with Harley, the reason she's a bad person is just what Ivy said, she's flighty, she'll move on to the next thing. Ivy is absolutely right to not trust Harley with her heart. Whatever can be said about her relationship with Kite Man, Ivy is wise enough not to trust her. Even if the sex was incredible. Mostly agree with both of these, and it's part of what I love about this show: there's no easy answer here, no quick fix that will make everything better. Somebody is gonna get hurt here and nobody really deserves it - Kiteman is a good dude and Ivy genuinely loves him but also knows she's settling for the safe option. Ivy genuinely loves Harley but is correct that a relationship between the two of them runs a high risk of ending disastrously, but in her attempt to avoid that pain she's risking an entirely different hurt by denying herself what she truly wants and who she truly is. Harley genuinely loves Ivy but she DOES have a history of obsessing over her romantic interest and that passion can turn sour (to be fair, Joker was an abusive monster of a partner), but it's also who Harley is and even if she makes an effort to change the question remains if her efforts are just further proof of her willingness to subsume her own identity in favor of the relationship she wants to be in. It's messy, it's painful, there's no path forward where somebody isn't going to end up devastated, and that's a part of what makes it so compelling, because in this show about superpowered villains living in a city that has (had?) been expelled from the United States it feels extremely real. I still can't quite believe how good this show is.
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Harley really has to look beyond her own needs because even though she's expressing her feelings and being honest, she's also being massively selfish in her desire to be with Ivy at the expense of other people's feelings.
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I just find it adorable a dc thread is having this much serious discussion about Kite Man. KITE MAN
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Blaise330 posted:I just find it adorable a dc thread is having this much discussion about Kite Man. KITE MAN hell yeah
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Blaise330 posted:I just find it adorable a dc thread is having this much serious discussion about Kite Man. KITE MAN Good grief.
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Best case scenario, Kite Man falls in love with Tabitha, leaving both Ivy and King Shark free to pursue whoever they want.
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Hispanic! At The Disco posted:Best case scenario, Kite Man falls in love with Tabitha, leaving both Ivy and King Shark free to pursue whoever they want. Tabitha: I DEFINITELY don't want yo rear end either.
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I just want to see a Roger Rabbit-style live action/animation hybrid where the versions of Harley and Ivy from this show go on a Couples Crime Night with Gotham's version of Penguin and Riddler. Is that so much to ask?
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Balthesar posted:hell yeah
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Good grief. Have we talked about how Kite Man is Charlie Brown grown up?
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Rhyno posted:Have we talked about how Kite Man is Charlie Brown grown up? Complete with dating the red-head girl/kite-eating tree? Yes.
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Good Grief. Anyways, I watched the second episode of Stargirl. Its fine. It's not blowing me away, but less school stuff was better and I love how STRIPE is clunky and slow moving. I like how in DC stuff being a gymnast means you're also an expert martial artist, like how being in the circus means you have super human abilities in Marvel.
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twistedmentat posted:Good Grief. She's a very good gymnast and as it turns out, the cosmic staff is a very good pole to do gymnastics with.  I love everything about STRIPE so far, I hope it manages to do something cool during the show, ideally with the rocket punch.
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BigRed0427 posted:THere is this strain of thought that says that superheros can't have happy personal lives that I will never understand.
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Superman and Lois Lane have been mostly married for a long time. Engaged in 1990 i think.
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I want to see more media go full gotham and acknowledge the ludicrous nonsense that happens. Like a comic in which Superman and Lois Lane are in Marriage Counselling and it's like "So from your file, it looks like you've accidentally killed Lois twice..." "Yeah, and I've killed clark here once too with a watch that I thought was Jade, turned out to be Kryptonite! Whoops! We're kind of even on that..."
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BioEnchanted posted:I want to see more media go full gotham and acknowledge the ludicrous nonsense that happens. Like a comic in which Superman and Lois Lane are in Marriage Counselling and it's like "So from your file, it looks like you've accidentally killed Lois twice..." "Yeah, and I've killed clark here once too with a watch that I thought was Jade, turned out to be Kryptonite! Whoops! We're kind of even on that..." The most hilarious version of this would be with the silver age versions of Lois and Clark, because they're both sociopathic assholes: https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-batshit-crazy-ways-superman-tried-to-protect-his-identity/
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I just loved in Gotham when Jerome resurrected and had a conversation with Lee about what had changed since he'd been away. "I think I'll start by killing Gallavan..." "Someone already beat you to it..." "Oh really? Who  " "Which time?" "You mean Gallavan came back to life before me? That son of a bitch, always upstaging me..."
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twistedmentat posted:I like how in DC stuff being a gymnast means you're also an expert martial artist, like how being in the circus means you have super human abilities in Marvel. To be fair, they make it pretty obvious that the staff is basically twirling itself and doing the combat moves.
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twistedmentat posted:Anyways, I watched the second episode of Stargirl. Its fine. It's not blowing me away, but less school stuff was better and I love how STRIPE is clunky and slow moving. I like how in DC stuff being a gymnast means you're also an expert martial artist, like how being in the circus means you have super human abilities in Marvel. They set up Courtney knows karate and such in the first episode when they pan around her room and have like a picture of her doing martial arts when she was younger and tossing some boxing gloves in a box. Phylodox posted:To be fair, they make it pretty obvious that the staff is basically twirling itself and doing the combat moves. Also that.
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Which just made me wonder why the staff doesn't do everything itself and leave her out of it. It seems more capable alone than when it is babysitting her.
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pressedbunny posted:Which just made me wonder why the staff doesn't do everything itself and leave her out of it. It seems more capable alone than when it is babysitting her. Because it’s inert unless she’s there, either touching it or in close proximity (which seems inconsistent so far).
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BigRed0427 posted:I mean...theres a reason I stopped reading superhero comics. You hit a point where it becomes kind of clear that There is just no interest in making anything aimed at a queer audience. If there is it's either something thats quietly made, released, and canceled and you only hear about it like...two years after the fact. Or you end up with stuff like Snowflake and Safe Space. Maybe my response is better suited for the recommendations thread, but I'm sure several of us goons would be happy to suggest queer superhero comics, if you're interested. Conversely, I'd love to hear about some of your faves, superhero or otherwise. Pardon me if I'm crossing a line, this just seems like a good opportunity for connection. Space Fish fucked around with this message at 16:32 on May 31, 2020 |
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:The most hilarious version of this would be with the silver age versions of Lois and Clark, because they're both sociopathic assholes: https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-batshit-crazy-ways-superman-tried-to-protect-his-identity/ Am I supposed to dislike Lois? Because hiding a rock that can kill Superman next to someone you think is Superman is genuinely terrible.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Am I supposed to dislike Lois? Because hiding a rock that can kill Superman next to someone you think is Superman is genuinely terrible. The silver age had a LOT of issues.
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So I see. I can't even tell if this Superman fights villains or just devotes 100% of his time to loving with Lois, Jimmy, and Lana.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:So I see. I can't even tell if this Superman fights villains or just devotes 100% of his time to loving with Lois, Jimmy, and Lana. He's so powerful in that era that he had a LOT of time on his hands.
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I was just observing that both Stargirl and Harley are both gymnasts and that gives them mega rear end kicking abilities. The montage of her destroying the sewing room to create her costume was great.
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Rhyno posted:Someone will actually get that tattoo. I mean I don't want Ivy to feel like she's on her own
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:So I see. I can't even tell if this Superman fights villains or just devotes 100% of his time to loving with Lois, Jimmy, and Lana. Silver age Superman comics are essentially dark comedies in which Superman is an all powerful trickster God who both (oscassionally) saves humanity and then spends most of his time pulling elaborate and deranged pranks on his "friends". Also, Lois Lane is an amoral rear end in a top hat deadset on exposing him to the world despite constantly being saved by him. It's both terrible and amazing. The modern super hero thing that comes closest to it in tone is Teen Titans Go!, which is great.
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roomforthetuna posted:I enjoyed the Amazon queen saying a traditional celebration, Harley saying "we're going to have a loving rager?" and the queen in posh voice sounding like she's going to correct it, "we're going to have... a loving rager." Harley crying at the end got a loud "awwww!" out of me. I think the preview frame of the next episode just means the next episode won't be where anything Harley/Ivy gets resolved, not that the show's suddenly going to go down some bad route. There are enough episodes left to shake things up and let things settle, nothing wrong with another shakeup now. I know everyone here wants the Joker to be gone forever but I have to assume the entire cast of this show (minus any expensive voices) is gonna be rotating in and out for the duration of its entire run, which includes Joker.
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