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Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

SimonCat posted:

I like how the Legion of Doom is basically the Hall of Justice from Super Friends.



Quoting from a long while back, but I just have to say I appreciate the LoD having lots of parking. Even if they don't validate.

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Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

BIG HEADLINE posted:

The "White Knight" series had the best theory behind this - Batman's rogues gallery is allowed to exist because rich people profit off of their antics in the form of organized insurance fraud and shady real estate acquisitions.

That one would be pretty perfect with a rogues gallery less into mass murder and societal unrest especially of high profile targets than modern Batman, or a more contained arc where the amoral rich don't realize they're making GBS threads where they eat until the monster breaks its chains. As a sustainable take of Bruce Wayne being the one good billionaire because of the batsuit it's merely above average.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

thebardyspoon posted:

Yeah it's a different incarnation as you said, this Batman seems a lot less effective as a crime fighter than nearly all the other incarnations of Batman. Which works fine since that isn't the focus of the show, it is just.... odd.

It's pretty normal for a superhero to to be most powerful in their own book and a joke in someone else's. It just stands out more with Batman since his own solo stories have him challenged by pretty much mundane threats while his crossovers often have him effortlessly on par with cosmic opposition.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

JacquelineDempsey posted:

Yeah, I can't remember which thread it was in (because I actually watch every DC show there is except Titans, so I get my threads mixed up, especially during/post-Crisis). But one show (I think Flash?) showed a map that some goon was kind enough to get us a a couple high-rez stills from.

The only irl city on there was Tokyo, for some reason.

It came from Flash when they were doing the post-Crisis review of everything being different now.



Bruceski posted:


Even more from another shot flipped. San Monte (Superman's first mission), Santa Prisca (Bane imprisoned there), Corto Maltese (Thea trained with Merlyn), Fortress of Solitude, Zambisi (Vixen's origin), Tinasha (Batwing's origin city, don't think it's been mentioned in the Arrowverse), and Gorilla City. I couldn't get a clear shot to make out the places further East, looks like one in the Middle-East and a couple on the coast of Asia.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

twistedmentat posted:

November -> April isn't really that long either, but if its really just the back half of the first episode order, that's fine.

Yeah. Animation, especially with American style recording/animation schedules, have a long turnaround compared to live action. But once you fill the pipeline you can keep the episodes rolling steadily.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

punk rebel ecks posted:

It's interesting how popular she is being that she got her start as a "filler" character as she wasn't in the comics before Batman TAS.

Batgirl did the same in the 1960s. When the network went to DC saying "Catwoman's really popular here, got any other female characters to bring in?" DC kinda stammered and came up with a new spinoff heroine unrelated to the 1940s Batwoman/Batgirl.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

kjetting posted:

I actually think most the DC series and cartoons, even the CW Arrowverse ones, have been pretty good at using from the vast catalogue of existing comic book and cartoon villains for their throwaway villains of the week, like the Flash S4 "bus metas", that included Killg%re, Hazard, Weeper, Fallout, The Fiddler etc, and even the villains threated like throwaway jokes (like "the Condiment King" in Lego Batman Movie or Kite man in Harley Quinn) are "established" characters. Myself, I'm not THAT well versed in comic books, so it has become a normal routine to google all these names and find out that they were in fact a character in some obscure batman story from the 1940's or something.

Even Tudyk's character in Powerless was a cousin of Bruce Wayne from a single Batman issue in 1962. The writers love this stuff.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Lechtansi posted:

It's funny, now that you mention it, Batman and Batman's villans are probably the least super-powered in the DCEU, and maybe even marvel.

Yes you have stuff like Mr. Freeze's freeze gun, scarecrow's fear gas, and the lazerus pit but outside of Poison Ivy and Killer Croc you don't have any of the typical super powers. Its just a bunch of mobsters trying to take control of the gotham underworld.

You know how most superheroes are most powerful and cool in their own books, but then have to get toned down for teamups and crossovers where someone else has to shine? By contrast Batman is a godlike legend in Justice League books and then goes home to get in life and death struggles against mobsters and escaped mental patients.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug
The worst part of Stargirl was that I am utterly incapable of seeing Joel McHale in costume without my brain interpreting it as an unusually elaborate gimmick episode of Community. Or wait, that might be the best part of Stargirl.

I liked the overall feel of it even if the first episode felt really focused on making sure everyone and everything got an introduction. And the effects work was a step up from the CW usual, which is nice even if I don't have super high expectations for TV supers.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Phylodox posted:

Wait, what?

I guess I have to watch this now.

He plays Starman in the prologue, set ten years before the present. I saw the role listed as recurring, so it's likely there will be more of him even if just in flashbacks.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Ovenmaster posted:

I laughed out loud when Stargirl is rummaging through Pat's stuff and immediately uncovers a picture hidden behind the fishing photo. I think it was me trying to understand why he would even put it there, but also the fact that all these superheroes are lined up like it was a yearbook class photo. And it's all bent and faded of course, because this was from the ancient long-ago times of *checks notes* 2010.

Photoshop CS5 had just come out and Stripesy was going through his filter phase, okay?

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Xelkelvos posted:


Question: This is presumably not Vancouver (again). Where is this one being filmed?

Atlanta, I think.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug
Did not really expect a Red Bee reference though.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

twistedmentat posted:

What a Cartoon Podcast's episode from this week is about the first episode of Harley Quinn and i had no idea that its basically from the same people who made powerless. A show i barely knew existed and never saw anything about.

I only learned that recently too. Powerless started....rough. I understand it was heavily retooled a couple times in the pilot phase. By a few episodes in it was pretty funny, but it just never got enough ratings to finish the whole season.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug
My head canon now is that Sportsmaster and Tigress moved to Blue Valley from the Harley Quinn version of Gotham because that's no place to raise a daughter.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Azhais posted:

So is sportsmaster just Casey Jones

With the bulk on that costume he looks more like Casey Jones trying to go undercover as a ninja turtle.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

cant cook creole bream posted:

I would not have thought that Cindy would develop into my favorite character in Stargirl. She's so incredibly campy, realizes it and just leans further into it.

I appreciate that she actually is like Courtney in that she's a dumb teenager making dumb teenage mistakes and the show presents it as such. Just she wants to be a villain rather than a hero.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

twistedmentat posted:

Yea dcu is being taken out into the desert and made to dig a shallow grave for itself.

I guess the comic part will still exist though? It does suck because HBO max isn't in Canada and crave has a fraction of its content.

Ill be sad if Blue Valley just looks like Vancouver next season.

They're in Atlanta, so it's already one of the cheaper places for TV production unlike Supergirl S1 in LA. Black Lightning's also produced there. I figure if they scale back stuff for budget reasons they'll still keep location.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

King of Solomon posted:

Hahah oh man, now I'm imagining Jefferson Pierce having to interact with Courtney, that would be incredible.

He is used to dumb teenagers if nothing else.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

King of Solomon posted:

Courtney is a lot dumber than the Pierce daughters, though.

I was thinking more with the teaching career, but true.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Phylodox posted:

It's honestly pretty startling that campy shows made on the cheap for a niche TV network are the most consistently successful thing DC's got going right now.

It's honestly a natural fit for the dumb campy soap opera that is supers comics.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Axel Serenity posted:



This show is way better than it has any right to be.

STEELE AND STONE

I love how the robot parts got that "1970s TV budget" look to them.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Hypocrisy posted:

Stargirl was another episode where the ending kind of overshadowed everything that came before it.

I appreciate the reaction to Dragon King's face was just screaming into energy blast.

That was a nice misdirect with Brainwave's wife being cold when found.


Almost everything. I'll probably never get over Cindy's "DADDY DADDY DADDY, let me kill her!"

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Hypocrisy posted:

I dunno but I hope it's cheerful.

I liked seeing Larry and Jane together. Glad we're seeing new combinations.

Yeah, the mixups are good. One thing I love about Legends of Tomorrow is it's always had a thing where it could take any two characters out of the ensemble cast and send them on a weird adventure together. If Doom Patrol picks that up, I'm happy with it.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

quantumfoam posted:

Stargirl finale: pretty good, was amused that Mike and Max the bulldog have the same body count as Arrow season 1 Laurel Lance.

Desperately want Amell to cameo as the Earth-2 Green Arrow and be massively horrified-annoyed at the reckless antics Barry Allen Stargirl gets up to.


Doom Patrol: somehow Brendan Fraser constantly dropping F-bombs never gets old. Also have to give massive props to the Robotman & NegativeMan body-actors, who do wonders give the limitations of their costumes.

Yeah, I love Brendan Fraser's voice performance, but Riley Shanahan's physical acting sells the character just as much.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

roomforthetuna posted:

Sportsmaster was always disappointing and poo poo in cartoons, so it was a pleasant surprise for him to be so awesome in this.

Him and Tigress were both great. His interactions with Pat, their intense sports parent thing, and their whole "close loving couple that will murder people at the drop of a hat" dynamic all made them funny but in a menacing way. Their one scene with Artemis was some of the best comedy of the season.

"You never do date night."

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

twistedmentat posted:

If i have one complaint is that there's a little too many flashbacks showing these are broken, hosed up and damaged people. By episode 6 they've strongly established that.

If i have two complaints, a lot of Janes personalities are just huge bitches and that makes it hard to watch.

Even then, these are kind of minor complaints that don't subtract from the show at all.

The flashbacks really lay it on thick, but especially as the show progresses into the later season and second season it helps to really highlight their growth, progress, and healing, which helps to give the show a more positive spin all the same. While maintaining the formula by having them still be broken,, hosed up, and damaged people who are in need of further growth, progress, and healing. Just ahead of who they were.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Xelkelvos posted:

A comic started last week that starts off immediately after the end of S2 of Harley Quinn

Edit: Stargirl S2 is off to a solid start. I feel extra bad for Beth and Eclipso is gonna really gonna mess with her and Wildcat's heads

I'm loving Zeek.

Sometimes a man just needs himself a robot.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

muscles like this! posted:

The kid who plays Mike definitely hit a growth spurt between seasons.

That age can do some dramatic aging between seasons. Lost In Space felt the same way.

Oh, and another thing I saw was that Stargirl and Loki filmed simultaneously in Atlanta, so Luke and Owen Wilson just moved in together for the duration.

So sad that neither got their jetski.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

cant cook creole bream posted:

I love Cindy from Stargirl. She just enjoys being a campy villain so much!

Her line "DADDY, DADDY, DADDY, let me kill her!" from her cell was the second funniest thing from Season 1.

Funniest was the whole scene of Sportsmaster and Tigress telling Artemis they were off to "date night."

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Slamhound posted:

The point is that orange pekoe is just regular, standard tea and not something high-end and fancy.

Right. It's a grade thing, not a flavor thing. Orange pekoe is the most ordinary medium-grade black tea and means it's probably gonna be Lipton from a bag or something. It's like if they said the steak was USDA Select or something when he's used to dry-aged prime cuts.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

LadyPictureShow posted:

Oh really? :toot:

After this episode, I hope they just keep breaking out whenever suits them.

I'm all for that. Best parents in the show, and Crusher just wanting to hang out with his gym buddy and get him back into shape.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

twistedmentat posted:

Pat is like the most no fun Dad ever. Its actually getting pretty tired at this point.

Also pretty sure Cindy's attempt to manipulate everyone into joining her Injustice League is going to backfire spectacularly.

One advantage Stargirl has over the rest of CW DC is that when the characters act like dumb teenagers despite easily foreseeable consequences, it is because they are dumb teenagers.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

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Nerdietalk posted:

That was a really good episode of Doom Patrol. They keep finding new ways to make these psychoanalytic episodes where everyone sits in a circle talking just... work.

Sometimes the show feels sorta like a long format Community with super powers, as far as being a club of messed-up people confronting their own bullshit through a never-ending array of absurd situations. But it works.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug
I am all on board for the wacky neighbors and basement houseguest on next season Stargirl.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug
For those who didn't get the comics reference, Doom Force was an early 90s one-shot where future Niles created a Doom Patrol successor as parody of X-Force.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

swickles posted:

I am working through 2nd season of Star Girl now and I like it a lot. Everytime I think they are going to stick for a n overly long time on some drama, they don't, they actually move past it.

Edit: I also like that the bad guys main plans in season 1 was to turn a huge chunk of the US into socialist utopia, leading the new JSA to have a "are we the baddies?" moment.

Fortunately even the dumb teenagers were able to realize that the mix of authoritarian control freaks, amoral spree killers, creepy thieves, and literal Axis war criminals probably weren't any more legit about "socialist utopia" than the OG Nazis were.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

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Rhyno posted:

Margot Robbie might be too busy/expensive for this.

I think that meant that Snowflame would also fit in the Harley Quinn series, since he would.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug
Can we at least agree that Shark Jesus on the cross was a fine sight gag?

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Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

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Xelkelvos posted:

I love the Crocks. Tigress is just extremely intense all the time and her interactions with Courtney's mom is fantastic as it's basically this clueless sociopath/Tiger Mom trying to be peers with one of the most normal characters on the whole show. It's an entire relationship that could probably be the basis of its own show. This season is looking fairly solid too, if a little more low key but that definitely plays to the cast's strengths

It's great how Crusher and Paula are both such different super-intense psychopaths, with such a genuine love for each other and their daughter. I'm pulling for them to stay crazy antiheroes rather than falling back into proper villainy.

I also like how despite the worries about Arrowverse keeping big secrets for no reason plots, people were pretty open for the most part excepting where it made sense not to. They prefer to gently caress up through action rather than inaction.

Also the "BOYS" sign. Comedy this season is solid.

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