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This seemed like it might fit here: School board candidate checks out many LGBT books from library so others can't see them quote:A Frederick County Board of Education candidate said she checked out all of the books from an LGBT pride month display at the Brunswick Public Library to make the library a “safe place for children.”
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Unfortunately it seems that LGBTQ people in libraries is a culture war issue now  https://www.wndu.com/2022/06/29/proud-boys-disrupt-pride-event-library-south-bend/ https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-protest-demonstration-pride-event-library-north-carolina-new-hanover-1718426
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Jul 1, 2022 22:45
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Lord Awkward posted:This seemed like it might fit here: I used to work there. And a previous library I worked at also had someone (not a BoE candidate though) also pull all the books off a kids' pride display. I'm pretty sure every library with a children's section pride display got complaints if not outright hostility of some kind. All I can hope is that the staff were actually trained and prepared for how to handle the situation. Ha, I know that's unlikely.
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Jul 1, 2022 22:57
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SamDabbers posted:Unfortunately it seems that LGBTQ people in libraries is a culture war issue now Has been for years, sadly. A few years ago there was a guy who checked out all the LGBT-related children's books from his library and burned them.
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Jul 2, 2022 03:52
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Pekinduck posted:I work for a huge university with a huge library system. Employees get to check out books and you can get anything from any school library, usually delivered on the same day or the next, its pretty great. There's a rule though that any book you get has to be "work related" I was nervous at first but after a while just ordered whatever, nobody seemed to be checking. That's interesting about the work related requirement. No one has questioned anything I've checked out through ILL in our university system. Perks of being a faculty librarian is the ability to check out books from our catalog for an entire academic year. I've also received all sort of stuff through ILL: Warhammer books, comics, and even N64 games. Helps that I routinely publish book chapters with the popular culture librarian, I suppose.
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Jul 4, 2022 00:55
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I've worked in a giant academic library and I was a graduate student and no one ever questioned the legitimacy of ILL use while I was there. Even if you used it to check out 50 comic books or whatever, maybe it's for a media study? Or maybe it's because you want to read comics? No one in the chain gave a poo poo.
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Jul 5, 2022 02:20
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Librarians in general also tend to make a big deal out of privacy in regards to personal info and checkout history
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Jul 5, 2022 02:35
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Hell, when I was an academic librarian students were allowed to watch porn on the library computers. For all we knew they might legitimately be researching sexuality or pornography. It's not our business as long as they're keeping their hands out of their pants.
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Jul 7, 2022 02:37
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Abyss posted:That's interesting about the work related requirement. No one has questioned anything I've checked out through ILL in our university system. Perks of being a faculty librarian is the ability to check out books from our catalog for an entire academic year. I've also received all sort of stuff through ILL: Warhammer books, comics, and even N64 games. Helps that I routinely publish book chapters with the popular culture librarian, I suppose. I think its just a weird rule that was tacked on by somebody and completely unenforced and forgotten. The university has a lot of these. Some of you are probably familiar with this: if you have a chunk of cash and an opinion you can self-publish your book and mail it unsolicited to libraries in the hope they put it on the shelves. My college library would just put them on the "free books" rack by the door. There was some wild stuff, I regret not saving them.
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Jul 10, 2022 04:30
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Cythereal posted:Hell, when I was an academic librarian students were allowed to watch porn on the library computers. For all we knew they might legitimately be researching sexuality or pornography. It's not our business as long as they're keeping their hands out of their pants. e: had a hunch and checked and sure enough that story is my first post in this thread 
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Jul 10, 2022 14:25
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https://twitter.com/LailaLalami/status/1547612435967709184?s=20&t=mBUT16B_0eWbMWGMIjPJaw
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Jul 14, 2022 21:39
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That's a shame, but props to the staff for not putting up with that bullshit.
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Jul 14, 2022 22:17
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Conspiracy Guy was in all day today from open to close. Laughing to himself as he prints 30 more copies of his manifesto every loving day. I'm glad he's not watching porn, or trying to take pictures of kid's feet or anything, but it feels like I'm running a Kinko's for psychos.
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Jul 15, 2022 02:15
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Cythereal posted:https://twitter.com/LailaLalami/status/1547612435967709184?s=20&t=mBUT16B_0eWbMWGMIjPJaw Just a reminder that Iowa is a worse Florida without the open reporting law So glad I'm moving soon
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Jul 15, 2022 14:35
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HonorableTB posted:I still can't believe after everything Trump did, it's the nerds at the National Archives that took him down (possibly). Impeached twice and tried to overthrow the government and shrugged it off; pisses off the federal librarians and gets investigated for espionage and raided by the FBI Quorum posted:Don't mess with archivists, they cut their teeth in the Deep Stacks battling the Silverfish Elders. E: vvv yes, but the National Archives were the organization in contact with him about retrieving the documents, whatever they contain vvv Triskelli fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Aug 13, 2022 |
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Aug 13, 2022 01:07
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actually it might be nuke stuff, but it hasnt even been 1 week or so so maybe half true? e: commented on other library schad Cythereal posted:https://twitter.com/LailaLalami/status/1547612435967709184?s=20&t=mBUT16B_0eWbMWGMIjPJaw some what related to this, some other red neck poo poo hole voted to defund their library (+2$ a month tax) and now they have no library and most of the community has no internet/wifi. They're did a croward funding , but thats just a band aid. lol at regressives. PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Aug 13, 2022 |
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Aug 13, 2022 01:14
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If you're referring to where I think you are, that's one of our neighboring districts and it's just as stupid as it sounds. Very much a brexit "this is what you are voting for, are youcertain" "WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME THIS WOULD HAPPEN" situation. Even after concessions were made to not have the books on main displays.
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Aug 13, 2022 01:45
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These library stories are great. You people have the patience of a saint. During college I tutored kids in a West Philly at a small library. Philadelphia had a pretty cool library system with plenty of small local libraries. Open free tutoring sessions for anyone. Most parents used the library as a sort of baby sitting service. They knew they could leave their kids there or have them go there after school and keep them out of trouble. Plus I made the kids finish their homework after school. It was a pretty sweet gig, but I don't have any crazy stories.
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Aug 17, 2022 20:34
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Captain Invictus posted:a box of "revenge of the librarians" books
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https://twitter.com/IndieStacks/status/1592487296435384321
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Nov 15, 2022 22:20
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I had to disappoint a patron yesterday. He was looking for the audio-book version of the sixth Game of Thrones / Song of Ice and Fire novel.
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Dec 14, 2022 18:46
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Question for the lilbrarians. Do you care if people not from your area* register for library cards to use online? I have learned this is a Thing which is very controversial. *eg out of country or state, or even county.
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Jan 7, 2023 03:13
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value-brand cereal posted:Question for the lilbrarians. Do you care if people not from your area* register for library cards to use online? I have learned this is a Thing which is very controversial. Not a librarian technically but We do care. It's not something that personally bothers me, but we have contractual agreements with our online database vendors that ask us to restrict users to a certain geographic proximity, and I don't know if we pay any penalties for out-of-jurisdiction use, but they can certainly see what IP addresses our users are coming in from (depending on the database), and they could get mad at us or whatever if they see too many people from outside the area are logging in. We also spend more and more money on online services and it's no longer something that's feasible to charge people who don't live in the area a flat rate to sign up. Again it's not something I strictly care about, and it's super easy to bypass, but I am obligated to give people a Hard Time about it.
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Jan 7, 2023 04:00
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Hm. I see. Thank you. I understood that online check outs and other services would interfere with local library users, but not the greater extent of the situation. You know, behind the scenes with regards to how the services are set up. Not to mention copyright issues. Hopefully people are faking their locations so you won't get into trouble?? I suppose if money is the problem, piracy might be better than getting foreign libraries in trouble lie this.
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Jan 7, 2023 04:39
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value-brand cereal posted:Question for the lilbrarians. Do you care if people not from your area* register for library cards to use online? I have learned this is a Thing which is very controversial. My library system absolutely cares about who's coming from where. Higher metrics means more tax dollar support from the government. Local users paying their taxes help keep the lights on. We've had problems before with patrons moving out of state and still using their accounts online, so cards have to be renewed in person each year. It's like theft of services or something, I dunno. There's 8-9 libraries networked together where I work, all of them in small towns not far from one another. We're all cool with each other, except for one town in the middle. Because they have their own library outside of our network, residents from that town are excluded from it. They pay taxes for their own library, not ours. Small town drama. Waffle! fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jan 7, 2023 |
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value-brand cereal posted:Question for the lilbrarians. Do you care if people not from your area* register for library cards to use online? I have learned this is a Thing which is very controversial. Me personally, I wish everyone had access to all the information, all the time free of barriers. But... capitalism. And that's why most library systems have to care about when people outside of their service area access their resources. The vendors that are providing access to that information/collection of media resources, sometimes have a payment model based on the likely usage. So, if you are a rural county in West Virginia with a service area population of 10,000 (not even the number of people who actively have library cards, but the number of people who could possibly have library cards should everyone remember what a great service it is), they will charge that system a different price than say Fairfax County, Virginia with a population of 1+ million. So if thousands of people outside of that West Virginia county start getting cards there in order to have access to their product, the company gets grumpy because they should be charging more. They would always rather a library pay them than not pay them, which is why they having different pricing models, but they still want to get as much as they possibly can. And while that may seem fair, it's still only a subscription. Which means it can be taken away at any moment for a host of reasons, up to and including allowing access to people outside of a service area, unless otherwise stipulated. And once it's gone, it's gone. Unlike a physical medium, online access doesn't leave anything behind. And not every library is funded the same. So even libraries that have similar sized populations, they may be offered the same deal, but it doesn't mean that their budgets can afford it. And then you get the politicians involved who complain when people outside of the municipality because they aren't paying taxes in the area and therefore aren't also contributing to roads and schools and etc. And they shouldn't get to take advantage of the resources paid for by the hard working individuals who deserve it, etc. It's very othering. Libraries try to get around this when they can with reciprocal agreements that allow people of neighboring counties to get library cards in both places and that helps assuage a little. If you live in some states, you can get a library card at any of the libraries in that state. I've also seen where you can pay a fee to get library card access from out of state and that's your "contribution" to taxes, I guess. So, yes, controversial. But something I think most libraries would like to do away with if they could. Just look at what Brooklyn Public Library did to help teens across the country get ebooks that may be banned in their local/school library system. Not sure how they managed it behind the scenes, but it's still officially a temporary thing and limited to certain ages. But they're trying. a friendly penguin fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jan 9, 2023 |
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Tippecanoe posted:but they can certainly see what IP addresses our users are coming in from (depending on the database) How does this work with VPNs? I could live next door and be using a VPN and appear to be in Norway. If I'm logged in to my work VPN I'll appear to be in Texas (I'm in California).
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Leperflesh posted:How does this work with VPNs? I could live next door and be using a VPN and appear to be in Norway. If I'm logged in to my work VPN I'll appear to be in Texas (I'm in California). To use my library's online services, patrons need an active library card, and if they live outside the state and don't work or own property in the state, they need to pay for a card that lasts about a year. We also started to offer online sign ups for cards during covid and kept it around, patrons just need to come into the library within 60 days with proof of residency or else they lose access. For most of the big public library eLending services, patrons can't get in without a card number, so it really doesn't matter with them if you're using a VPN as long as your card works, and a permanent library card requires human intervention somewhere along the series of steps.
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Jan 17, 2023 21:18
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Now that I think of it, I have a proxy set up on my work laptop so that a lot of educational resources (LexisNexis, JSTOR, Kanopy, etc.) automagically know that I have my employer's access privileges. I wonder how that interacts with local and regional library systems, if at all.
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Jan 17, 2023 21:32
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I brought my Drake posted:To use my library's online services, patrons need an active library card, and if they live outside the state and don't work or own property in the state, they need to pay for a card that lasts about a year. We also started to offer online sign ups for cards during covid and kept it around, patrons just need to come into the library within 60 days with proof of residency or else they lose access. For most of the big public library eLending services, patrons can't get in without a card number, so it really doesn't matter with them if you're using a VPN as long as your card works, and a permanent library card requires human intervention somewhere along the series of steps. Right. This all makes sense. I don't know how Tippecanoe's library system could use IP addresses to verify location, given how this stuff works nowadays.
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Jan 17, 2023 21:37
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Leperflesh posted:How does this work with VPNs? I could live next door and be using a VPN and appear to be in Norway. If I'm logged in to my work VPN I'll appear to be in Texas (I'm in California). I don't work at these vendors so I have no idea. With the exception of some vendors/countries, they generally don't restrict usage by geography in that way; instead like I brought my Drake says they expect public libraries to restrict access to online services according to the vendor agreements they have. I imagine that vendors collect stats on where users are coming in from and will use that info to jack up prices later (some of the work I do, though not at a public library, is compiling stats for publishers so they know how many people are accessing their materials and from where). As well, a lot of library service vendors are pay-by-use now, so the onus is on the libraries themselves to limit access if they want to conserve their eresources budgets. Basically all library vendors are terrible and will use any tactic to gouge library budgets. Halloween Jack posted:Now that I think of it, I have a proxy set up on my work laptop so that a lot of educational resources (LexisNexis, JSTOR, Kanopy, etc.) automagically know that I have my employer's access privileges. I wonder how that interacts with local and regional library systems, if at all. A lot of library services are redirected through proxy servers so that users can access in-library resources from anywhere. The vendor can see what proxy server you're signing in from, so it might say, "this IP address space belongs to X institution", though they don't get more information than that. Note again that your proxy server might be collecting stats about you and your use, which they might be required to do to meet the vendor agreement. It really depends on how the vendor has set things up.
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Do y'all organize number titles over spelled ones, like "100 Hours" before "The Five Hundred?" How about names like "McNelson" before "MacDonald?" Or series order over title order, like "Twilight" before "Breaking Dawn?" Because I've seen them done both ways in different libraries and I don't know which is supposed to be right. I shelve numbers before spelling, and "MaC"before "Mc" because it follows alphabetical order. I'll put a series in order if it has a number to it, popular, and not a million books, like LotR, and Jodi Taylor's time travel series. Authors of kid's books that title their series' in both numerical and alphabetical order: 
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Waffle! posted:Do y'all organize number titles over spelled ones, like "100 Hours" before "The Five Hundred?" How about names like "McNelson" before "MacDonald?" Or series order over title order, like "Twilight" before "Breaking Dawn?" I recently abolished our Mc/Mac special treatment and went pure alphabetical despite it being a widespread norm. My library is small enough that it just isn't useful enough to make up for the confusion it causes. I feel like most of these rules do more harm than good outside of large libraries. If everything concerned is going to be within arm's reach from a single point either way just keep it simple for browsers.
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BISAC is a user-friendly replacement for an antiquated, racist cataloging system and I don't care who knows.
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I still giggle at the fact that in the LoC classification system, the Bible can be found under code BS.
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Cloks posted:BISAC is a user-friendly replacement for an antiquated, racist cataloging system and I don't care who knows. I would like to know more
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BISAC is a metadata management system for titles, similar to the Dewey Decimal system, that is designed to replicate industry standards in title categorization. The practical effect of a library implementing a BISAC system rather than Dewey is that BISAC replicates the experience of a book store, there are broad title categories that are narrowed into specifics. These can be found here. A good example would be a patron looking for manga - using the BISAC system, that's found under Comics & Graphic Novels / Manga, with additional subcategories such as Food, Horror and Dystopian under that. BISAC can be amended as necessary as well, there's a Comics & Graphics Novels / Manga / Isekai section, capturing a relatively recent genre trend. On the other hand, using the Dewey system, manga would be found at 741.53, sharing a shelf with newspaper comics, graphic novels... basically every kind of comic. The Dewey system has to be learned (I know I've memorized a few codes!) but the BISAC system is much more intuitive. The Dewey Decimal system is racist because it was designed by a cranky racist: https://bookriot.com/racism-in-the-dewey-decimal-system/
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Jan 24, 2023 22:31
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Also, BISAC doesn't poo poo all over fiction like DDC and LC do. The official ways to class fiction in both follow the literature rules. Not 100% sure how clunky they are with PS in Library of Congress, but in Dewey, they make an audible thud. We sort our fiction by author last name (or first word of title if it's multiple authors), no diacritics.
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Oh yeah, big qualification: I am not a librarian. I worked at OCLC for five years and picked up a lot of lingo.
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Cloks posted:
While I appreciate representation of all three primary genres of manga, how does the system handle crossover? How does a dystopian food horror manga get filed?
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