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Vavrek posted:While I appreciate representation of all three primary genres of manga, how does the system handle crossover? How does a dystopian food horror manga get filed? BISAC recommends adding multiple codes for the title, I'm not sure how it would affect placement within an individual library.
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Vavrek posted:While I appreciate representation of all three primary genres of manga, how does the system handle crossover? How does a dystopian food horror manga get filed? Shelve an equal number of the manga's volumes with each different genre 
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Jan 25, 2023 02:52
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Stick a placeholder card on the other shelves telling perverts what section to find it in.
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Jan 25, 2023 03:00
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Vavrek posted:While I appreciate representation of all three primary genres of manga, how does the system handle crossover? How does a dystopian food horror manga get filed? We just call it "Dungeon Meshi"
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Jan 25, 2023 03:28
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Create a section, “comics for perverts”
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Jan 25, 2023 03:52
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I brought my Drake posted:We sort our fiction by author last name (or first word of title if it's multiple authors), no diacritics.
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Foxfire_ posted:How do you romanize non-latin alphabet authors? We have a world languages collection and I'm guessing the cataloger goes by the English MARC record for the author names for those. (We buy most of our in-process catalog records from a vendor.) I'm not sure there's any standardization there on our part, other than "well this vendor that we pay a dollar a record for says this is what it should be so I guess that's what it is." Knowing how to do a job right and seeing the job done wrong and not being able to do a drat thing about it is painful.
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Jan 25, 2023 07:15
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They might use the Library of Congress romanization tables. You get weird situations where, because their romanization standards are not necessarily what is common (consider languages like Arabic that don't have standard romanizations), you might have the author's name on the cutter be totally different than the Latin characters on the cover, which frustrates a lot of people.
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Jan 25, 2023 07:37
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If the one cataloging course I took during my MLIS taught me anything, it was that I did not want to become a cataloger. Thankfully, I only have to deal with making up a small amount of metadata in a very generous Dublin Core schema.
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Hi thread! OP here and it chuffs me to no end that this is still chugging along and a nice space for library chat for folks on both sides of the stacks.  So --- apologies for the tonal whiplash here. I'm also doxxing myself and one of the libraries I worked for, but hell, it's been 10 years now. Y'know John Hinckley Jr, the guy who tried to assassinate Reagan? When he was allowed out from the psych hospital for visiting his parents, he'd be in Williamsburg VA. At one point when I still worked there, sometime 2009 to 2012, he (and his parents) pushed to get him to volunteer for us, to prove he was a reformed citizen, giving back to the community, yadda etc. Neither staff nor board were having it, that idea got shot down (oof, sorry). Thanks to PYF Tweets, I saw his triumphant tweet that he finally got a live show (he's a songwriter/guitarist now, I guess) in Virginia! But no details. Knowing that almost anyone willing to pay can rent the library theatre, and his connection with W'burg, I rubbed the bridge of my nose and thought "jeez, MY venue?" (Yeah I haven't worked there for 10 years, but it's still "my" theatre.) A look at his Twitter and a quick Google didn't disclose any info about this show, but apparently he DID try to book WRL this past August... https://wydaily.com/news/2022/08/05/john-hinckley-jr-s-williamsburg-performance-canceled-within-hours-of-announcement/ So! Ask me about weirdos NOT in public libraries!
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Jan 30, 2023 02:41
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THE PEDOPHILE OBSESSED WITH JODIE FOSTER?? I didn't realize he's still alive. Hope he's better about many things.
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value-brand cereal posted:THE PEDOPHILE OBSESSED WITH JODIE FOSTER??
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I worked in a large academic library for a good while, and while I could put up with stalkers, violent lunatics, and pedophiles - as I say, I worked in a large academic library - I don't think I could productively work with the guy who took a pop at Ronald Reagan. With all the time I'd be spending making fun of him for missing, I'd never get my tasks done.
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value-brand cereal posted:THE PEDOPHILE OBSESSED WITH JODIE FOSTER?? I didn't realize he's still alive. Hope he's better about many things. his aim, for one
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Hi thread! OP here and it chuffs me to no end that this is still chugging along and a nice space for library chat for folks on both sides of the stacks. It's a quiet thread but people seem to like it that way for some strange reason.
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Y'know John Hinckley Jr, the guy who tried to assassinate Reagan? Sure do, and if you don't know his theme song, you should give it a listen. (Note: Duet with Squeaky Fromme. Who is also alive and out of prison!)
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Trying to assassinate Gerald Ford is like a SNL bit. He'd dodge the bullet by accident when his trick knee gave out.
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A Library Story My little library is partnered into a larger network of libraries across the county. Since it's so small, it's run by a Board of Trustees that handle all the business, instead of in an official way with the county. I am the only employee, a contractor, and my paychecks are personal ones written out by the Treasurer from the library's account. My "manager" J is a volunteer that's been there for so long she decided to join the Board. She's alright and has my back. The first Friday of every month, the Board meets at the library during the later hours. As always, the topic of money comes up about their spending, building projects, fund raising, etc. One of the board members, also the Treasurer's husband, pipes up about saving money everywhere they can. "You know, there are exceptions for jobs with only a few employees to pay minimum wage..." The DAGGERS I shot at this toad from across the room were audible. It sounded like a thousand gently caress you's carried on the wind and personally delivered by the Spirit of Hate itself. Before I could respond with a cleverly worded retort, J said there was plenty of room in the budget to pay me. Those exceptions are for jobs like outside sales agents, waiters, and live-in nannies. The AUDACITY of talking about taking money out of my pocket, the only employee and on minimum wage, while I was across the room. Hey rear end in a top hat, I'm the one who opens and closes the drat place every day! Needless to say my job sucks rocks. I like the library, just hate the bullshit I put up with.
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This is kind of dumb, but I'm curious: I was at our library the other day with my kids. We were looking through their children's picture books section which is mostly sorted alpha by author, but I noticed that the Pete the Cat books were under "Pete". I would've assumed they'd be listed under (James) Dean? Is this not because some of the books were authored by Eric Litwin (although I think Dean has always been first author?). Or is it just because kids look up "Pete" the Cat or something?
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ExcessBLarg! posted:This is kind of dumb, but I'm curious: Cat's called Pete, they're his books. What's the issue?
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Sometimes books will be published under a pseudonym or fictional character name, but that doesn't look to be the case here; as far as I know the correct access point should be Dean, James 1957- (or whoever is listed as the main creator for the particular title). Most likely someone made the decision to label and sort them by title to keep the series together, which seems pretty common for children's collections in public libraries. My cataloguing professor described cataloguing as more of an art than a science, and that seems especially true for these kinds of collections.
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sometimes things are under the IP name or sometimes the actually meat human name,yeah its an "art" thing. maybe if we taught kids/people better they would know that everything is a meat human creation. e: Also BISAC should have punchmans as one of its stock anime/manga categories. how the hell does food porn get recognized before strong punching peeps PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Feb 5, 2023 |
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It's also entirely possible someone moved one or several of the books out of the D section into the Ps because It Looks Better This Way, and then whoever was shelving wasn't paying sufficient attention or stopped caring, or the staff just haven't gotten around to repairing the entropy in that area yet, or enough people got confused because it's clearly P-for-Pete and the staff gave up. There could be a ton of things going on here. The children's section is always kind of a lost cause for good sorting, 'cause they're kids and they literally don't know any better. Theoretically speaking, putting books back on the shelf is preferable to chewing on them or hitting another child with 'em. If you see someone who isn't a library staffer loving with the material in the regular stacks, though, you are legally allowed to strike them. Don't worry, the internet said it's okay.
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Is there any system of organizing comic books that isn't incredibly confusing? It's easy enough to categorize e.g. a classic like A Contract With God the same as you would any other novel. But when you're stocking TPBs that compile the individual comic book series that made up a DC or Marvel crossover like the Infinite Crisis or the Infinity Gauntlet story, it's infinitely annoying to try to organize books by author.
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why not crossover title?
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Halloween Jack posted:Is there any system of organizing comic books that isn't incredibly confusing? It's easy enough to categorize e.g. a classic like A Contract With God the same as you would any other novel. But when you're stocking TPBs that compile the individual comic book series that made up a DC or Marvel crossover like the Infinite Crisis or the Infinity Gauntlet story, it's infinitely annoying to try to organize books by author. Whichever system makes all the spines combine to make a picture on the shelf
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I am a big fan of cuttering by character, especially if it's a comic or Disney property or some other collection of works with a bunch of different authors but features the same character. Bookstores do it that way, why not libraries? What bothers me is when a library decides to do something going forward and doesn't do any retrospective cataloging or processing at all. That might work if items are weeded or discarded from the system on a regular basis. It's highly annoying when I can look at a shelf and see five or six different cataloging and/or processing methods because nobody went back to change anything.
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Especially when it comes to childrens' books, I think the answer should be "whatever helps them find the book". And in this case filing under 'Pete' as it's a name in the title makes sense, rather than one of the various authors.
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nashona posted:why not crossover title?
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There is also the thing where manga is filed alphabetically by title in bookstores. I don't know if libraries do this as well or not because I shamefully haven't been to mine in a while.
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Turbinosamente posted:There is also the thing where manga is filed alphabetically by title in bookstores. I don't know if libraries do this as well or not because I shamefully haven't been to mine in a while. Ours does it by last name so MHA is under Horikoshi
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My library system does graphic novels (which includes manga in our case)by title if they are part of a series, by author if they are a standalone. Series get a volume number after the cutter. My supervisor hates the volume numbers because do you have any idea just how many Batman Volume 1s there are? But the branch staff who have to shelve the things seem to like the volume numbers so for now they remain.
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Turbinosamente posted:There is also the thing where manga is filed alphabetically by title in bookstores. I don't know if libraries do this as well or not because I shamefully haven't been to mine in a while. With manga, libraries tend to do it by author because library classification systems generally go by subject, subsection, and then author name. Most manga at public libraries is held in a popular fiction/nonfiction section and is organized by author name and then series. There's not an exact system because they're not cataloging it under the Dewey Decimal or Library of Congress system. Western comics are obviously a different thing altogether due to different authors and often a lack of continuity in publication for characters and/or teams.
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 OMG DID YOU KNOW THE CATALOG'S DOWN Literally the only time anybody remembers or cares about technical services.
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I brought my Drake posted:
 I've had branch staff send us emails asking for help with their passwords. The head of marketing once forwarded an email from a customer to the entire department and admitted in that email that she didn't really know what Tech Services does.
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CynCyanide posted:
Literally every basic cybersecurity thing is "staff will not ask you for your password, keep up with your password". Come on. One thing I don't get about gen x and back in particular is how they used to have dozens of phone numbers memorized, but usually have this issue. I hate the amount of passwords we have to recall normally, but come on.
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DicktheCat posted:One thing I don't get about gen x and back in particular is how they used to have dozens of phone numbers memorized, but usually have this issue. I hate the amount of passwords we have to recall normally, but come on. It took a lot of badgering and eventually an ultimatum that I'd stop doing tech support for my boomer mom to get her to learn to use a password manager, but she actually thanked me the other day for forcing it on her because it's so convenient. Learning new things can be difficult but also worth the effort.
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DicktheCat posted:Literally every basic cybersecurity thing is "staff will not ask you for your password, keep up with your password". Research showed that people could remember 7 digits pretty well but 8+ more difficultly, and passwords requiring alphanumeric+ have a much larger range. At work I have about six passwords and five of them are forced to change regularly, but all five on different cadences, and all six have different requirements, and all of them remember your last few so you can't keep using them; but using a password manager is forbidden. So of course everyone has to write down their passwords! I still remember phone numbers from when I was a teenager and had a bunch memorized. I remember my stepdad's PO box number, the phone number at the first job I worked, my SSN and my bank account number and my previous bank account number and my medical plan number and so on. I can't remember someone's name ten minutes after they introduce themselves. There's something special and different about numbers.
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DicktheCat posted:One thing I don't get about gen x and back in particular is how they used to have dozens of phone numbers memorized, but usually have this issue. I hate the amount of passwords we have to recall normally, but come on. As a kid i did remember dozens of numbers that i called with some regularity. Back then phone numbers didn't tend to change that often so there wasn't a lot to keep up with. The phone number to my grandfather's house has been the same for over 40 years. Also my memory was a lot more reliable back then. Now i have like a hundred logins across a dozen email addresses. Each site or service has their own requirements for length and special characters. You don't just need to remember a password but also an email address or username. If you're talking about forgetting a login + password that someone uses every day or at least once a week then yeah, i get that. But how often do you actually log in to the things you use regularly? I only need to log in to my Google account three or four times a year. A couple of years ago i started keeping a hard copy of logins just like we used to do with phone numbers and addresses and it seems to me that it's gone the opposite way. Now all contact information is stored on my phone and i can only remember like 4 phone numbers, but all my logins are manually written and i have begun to remember dozens of logins.
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I had a site last week that was rejecting my passwords until I realized that when it said "one special character" it meant exactly one, not two or more. Instead of implementing two-factor authentication, websites are just making it so you reset your password and verify via a second factor manually once every six months when you need to log in and can't remember what bullshit they made you jump through last time.
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