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I agree with some of the posters saying there were plotting and characterization problems with season 2. In Season 1, the Church of Night is a daffy, obviously mustache-twirlingly evil cult of witches who have holidays where a lucky person gets to be eaten by their friends. The show as a whole is campy as hell. Now, in Season 2, I'm expected to take the whole institution seriously because it turns out it's horribly sexist. Or maybe just Blackwood's diocese is. Or not? They seem to have endless circles of bosses in a weird parody of Catholicism, but the institution as a whole still makes no sense. If the writers are going to point out structural issues with the church, then I have to suddenly start caring about it. Caring about it involves asking questions about how the whole thing works, and the answer is still written in Jell-O. Ditto with Prudence's character. She's evil! She's misunderstood and wants to be accepted by her dad! No, she's evil and she also wants to be accepted by her dad? I don't even know. So, I like the transition subplot (though the other basketball players were sneeringly evil in a very unreal way, and Theo is too drat short to play basketball), because it was generally pretty consistent the whole way through. The "Church of Night needs to be reformed" plot line just didn't make a lot of sense, however.
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The Church of Night was still weird though; like the sex festival was just as campy as the cannibal one and Blackwood was always shown to be a sexist regressive.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:49
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I think all the right pieces were in place in season 1 for the storyline the Church of Night went through in season 2, but agree it still feels kind of weird. It's mostly a tonal thing for me. Sabrina Part 1 was more serious/dark than, say, Riverdale, but still a fairly campy show. Blackwood never came off as a real threat to me in Part 1, so the hard turn to him being an evil mastermind in Part 2 feels pretty wonky. He was always a sexist creep, but I was laughing at him before instead of being threatened by him. They laid the groundwork well imo, but like Gumby said, failed to make me care as much as I probably should have.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:55
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The feast of feasts thing was also described as some old holdover that was banned for decades and it's pretty much used as an establishing moment for Blackwood being a backwards misogynist (also an establishing moment for Zelda at the end).
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Apr 11, 2019 21:07
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lmbo this phantom of the opera poo poo tho
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Apr 11, 2019 23:19
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I love Roz and all but I want Sabrina back with Harvey because Nick is annoying.
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The show is clearly building towards Theo/Sabrina so that we can finally get him some screentime.
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Agnosticnixie posted:The feast of feasts thing was also described as some old holdover that was banned for decades and it's pretty much used as an establishing moment for Blackwood being a backwards misogynist (also an establishing moment for Zelda at the end). Old holdover or not, those witches jumped forward, drooling at the mouth, and started digging in the corpse for bits to eat. There has always been a weird disconnect there for me, because that whole coven has always been just so hilariously evil and dangerous that there's no way a modern, intelligent Sabrina wouldn't expose them to the authorities immediately so they could all be rounded up and imprisoned or burned at the stake. Every single thing they do makes it clear that it's straight-up evil demon cartoon Satanism, not the friendly hippie version from real life. A realistic Sabrina isn't going to say "I have to learn to embrace my witch side too", she's going to say "holy gently caress, we have to take this whole church of Satan down immediately." And her friends are all mortals too, no matter how much they like her, they're not going to say live and let live with the cult of crazy people that killed Harvey's brother as a prank. But then they just treat it like friendly ol' Hogwarts and I guess there's just a few bad eggs like the Wyrd Sisters (except now we're sorta-friends! Those silly pranksters!)
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The only bad thing about this season is they didn't use Father Blackwood to bind Satan Because if there are two characters who are made for each other, it's certainly those two. esperterra posted:lmbo this phantom of the opera poo poo tho It's extremely dumb and campy as hell and I love it.
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Over the past week I keep thinking about how this show used a satanic forest orgy to tell a really sensitive and sex-positive story about teenage romance. It might just be my favourite thing to have ever been filmed.
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Apr 12, 2019 13:13
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When they mentioned that a human body was the ideal binding vessel I immediately cottoned onto the fact that the guy whose name is the most obvious analogue this side of Louisa Ferre was gonna bind him.
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Arbite posted:I wonder if the audience is supposed to forget that two of the people Sabrina's on decent terms with deliberately murdered Harvey's brother. Guess so!
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Senerio posted:When they mentioned that a human body was the ideal binding vessel I immediately cottoned onto the fact that the guy whose name is the most obvious analogue this side of Louisa Ferre was gonna bind him. It's foreshadowing. 
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Most of Harvey's stuff from last season seems to have been dropped. The extremely traumatic murdered zombie brother incident is mentioned like once or twice, there's basically nothing about witch hunting, and don't we only see his dad the one time? I know that this was a back-to-back affair and production was probably affected by that, so hopefully if part 3 and onwards happens they'll have a little more breathing room. E: does anyone in this show have a living mother? Roz, Harvey, and Theo have dads, Roz had a grandma, and Sabrina has a ghost mom. What is going on to moms in Greendale? Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Apr 12, 2019 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I know that this was a back-to-back affair and production was probably affected by that, so hopefully if part 3 and onwards happens they'll have a little more breathing room. iirc they're already renewed for seasons 3 and 4. I wonder if they'll film them together like 1 and 2 or not.
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Just finished the finale, man that was good poo poo but I really feel like an extra episode or two could have helped spread out all the plot that seemed condensed at the end. Also we didn't get enough Wesley Wyndham-Pryce. Also hot Lucifer is quite the snacc
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I finished watching the show over the past thr33 days. It was campy, goofy and had a few twists I didn’t see coming. I personally liked Theo’s plot where the show didn’t devolve into coming out suffering porn.
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I feel like a crazy person because throughout the entirety of season 1 I assumed that Susie was already transgender. Like I thought she had the most supportive father in the world and the reason she was bullied by the jocks at school was because of being trans. When he tells everybody to call him Theo I thought the show was undoing that and was extremely confused by what kind of message they were trying to send.
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Theo's storyline was fine while the rest of the political stuff is really heavy handed and reminded me I'm outside of the intended age range of the show. Harvey's a turd and Nick is like the perfect boyfriend. Harvey spends like the entire first half of the season being a lovely unreasonable person (aka a teenaged boy). Glad Lilith won in the end though.
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Eej posted:Theo's storyline was fine while the rest of the political stuff is really heavy handed and reminded me I'm outside of the intended age range of the show. I mean, Sabrina's friends literally killed Harvey's brother, then Sabrina resurrected him and then Harvey had to kill him again. Piell fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Apr 16, 2019 02:23
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Honestly I think Harvey is remarkably reasonable for the most part. "You made me Ole Yeller the brother I idolized because you turned him into a grotesque abomination" isn't something you normally get second chances for.
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Apr 16, 2019 02:27
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I don't see why people wanted more Salem. Sabrina is perfectly catty as it is. Goddamn that first episode.
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Piell posted:I mean, Sabrina's friends literally killed Harvey's brother, then Sabrina resurrected him and then Harvey had to kill him again. None of this excuses the part where Sabrina steps away from him when she has second thoughts about sleeping with him and he says "I don't care what you are. I don't want you to pull away from me again." or when Sabrina asks Roz about fixing her blindness and he butts in before she can respond saying no magic. The show uses the trappings of liberal feminism to be ostensibly progressive but it gives out a free pass for Harvey to act extremely male with impunity.
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Phenotype posted:Old holdover or not, those witches jumped forward, drooling at the mouth, and started digging in the corpse for bits to eat. There has always been a weird disconnect there for me, because that whole coven has always been just so hilariously evil and dangerous that there's no way a modern, intelligent Sabrina wouldn't expose them to the authorities immediately so they could all be rounded up and imprisoned or burned at the stake. This ... I can't quite let go and enjoy this show because the tone just doesn't hit it for me, it's just muddled and confusing. I guess it's a little too seriously dark to be campy enough for me, and I can't really buy Sabrina's character. It would be one thing if they had her be deceived about the true nature of witchcraft or even sort of seduced by the power of magic and deciding to go full on dark (at least temporarily), but I don't know how I'm supposed to buy that this character is basically good at heart. The poo poo the coven does on a daily basis is abominable and they are literal Satan worshippers to the point where they take orders from him directly but the only thing she really takes issue with is when they're sexist. I'll admit it IS very teenage girl to think you can sell your soul to Satan and then just ignore him.
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Eej posted:None of this excuses the part where Sabrina steps away from him when she has second thoughts about sleeping with him and he says "I don't care what you are. I don't want you to pull away from me again." or when Sabrina asks Roz about fixing her blindness and he butts in before she can respond saying no magic. idk I'm pretty fine with Harvey being suspicious of Sabrina using her magic to help people, considering what happened when she tried to help his brother. Harvey is lowkey one of my favourite characters in the show, it sucks he didn't have really anything to do this year. I enjoyed his arc a lot in Part 1.
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He can be suspicious but he doesn't have to Talk On Behalf Of The Female
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I kinda saw his objection to the idea as his deep suspicion of magic to the point that he'll object to any mention of using magic within his earshot regardless of whether it's a good idea or not or if it affects him or anyone he knows.
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The witch hunters were so weird. The writers tried extremely hard to make them unlikable and villainous but, uh, I don't think it really worked. They're still extremely in the right, seeing as how they're trying to rid the world of a group of literal devil worshiping baby eating evil witches, so I really think they should've just made them textbook heroes (who fail and die).
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Mymla posted:The witch hunters were so weird. The writers tried extremely hard to make them unlikable and villainous but, uh, I don't think it really worked. They're still extremely in the right, seeing as how they're trying to rid the world of a group of literal devil worshiping baby eating evil witches, so I really think they should've just made them textbook heroes (who fail and die). I'm not sure torture is ever "extremely in the right" Maybe if they were explicitly trying to stop the end of the world but neither the witches nor the hunters actually knew what was up and the hunters just wound up accelerating it anyhow
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You have to work really hard to be worse than Literally Satan, and while the witch hunters tried their best, they did not succeed by a long shot.
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I'm just catching up butesperterra posted:lmbo this phantom of the opera poo poo tho Yes, holy poo poo this is terrible, and no, not in a campy good way. It's just bad. I also agree with everyone who thinks the witch hunters were mishandled and a missed opportunity. Also The Doors? loving really? That said, I've enjoyed this season, although I think it's kind of lacked direction for a lot of it. But I was interested enough to keep engaged with it until I figured out what the gently caress was going on. e: oh ffs. Not happy about that last line. Nick sucks, leave him in Hell you idiot. Majorian fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Apr 19, 2019 |
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This show is so goofy and I love it for that. Also I still can't not see Father Blackwood as the one McPoyle who's in non-IASIP stuff. Also also give me a show of Ambrose and Prudence being IRL Witchers you cowards.
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Did they just forget Witches are hard to kill and can come back to life if buried, like when they did it with Hilda? I feel like they didn't explain too well why some deaths were permanent and others not.esperterra posted:lmbo this phantom of the opera poo poo tho SardonicTyrant fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Apr 19, 2019 |
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SardonicTyrant posted:Did they just forget Witches are hard to kill and can come back to life if buried, like when they did it with Hilda? I feel like they didn't explain too well why some deaths were permanent and others not. In Hilda's case the Cain dirt that is outside the Spellman mortuary will bring back dead witches.
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I enjoyed the goober mormon witch hunters and hope they return in the future. This show introduces a lot of interesting ideas that could be developed over multiple episodes but immediately resolves any conflict as it moves on to the next thing. The second part is so dense with stuff that how the show felt in episode 1 to the finale was quite the roller coaster. It's my favorite fun trashy show at the moment.
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Three literal avenging angels went to Greendale and no retribution came for their deaths which is kind of a weird plot point to drop
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Eej posted:Three literal avenging angels went to Greendale and no retribution came for their deaths which is kind of a weird plot point to drop The show's been renewed for Part 3 and Part 4 for a while. I would hope we get more avenging angels in the wake of the antichrist rising.
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I assume that Part 3 and 4 will deal with heaven now that hell has been dealt with Scratch notwithstanding.
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I liked the witch hunters because one of them was played by the kid who played lucius in Gladiator and I hadn't seen him since that movie so I didn't know he was still acting. Good for him. Season 2 was good and I want mandrake Sabrina to be my friend
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I thought it was kind of weird how callously they went about with the mandrake spell and then only kinda realized that they just murdered an innocent child right at the very end.
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