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bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

UZR IS BULLSHIT posted:

Part of me hopes the Dodgers miss out next year and have to rebuild. I can’t take another full season of waiting to see if we get wrecked in the WS again
Missing the postseason for one year is not the worst thing in the world, but it shouldn't trigger a full rebuild and idk why you'd want it to. This team still has a lot of young and prime-age talent on it.

The emotional exhaustion is real, but I still want to see Kershaw win it all in a Dodger uniform first and foremost.

It only feels like the window is closing because Kershaw is showing his age and the team wasn't as good this year as last. But they can and should win more than 92 games next year. We get Corey back! And Urias!

bawfuls fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Oct 30, 2018

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bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Vernacular posted:

Yeah. I mean, losing these two WS's is crushing, but following roster construction throughout the year is still a source of enjoyment.

I am also jacked for the return of Seager and the development of Urias as a starter. Hoping the team can 100% commit to developing Stripling as a starter as well. Time to give his bullpen carousel ride a rest and aim to continue his success from the first half of 2018. Buehler/Urias/Stripling is a cool trio regardless of what happens with the other guys.

Honestly torn about Kershaw. Part of me wants to see him retire a Dodger, the other part is like...maybe enough is enough with these blown postseason opportunities? I really hope Ryu comes back and that seems more within the FO's price range. JT Realmuto is probably my top trade target, makes lots of sense with Grandal leaving and a relative lack of right-handed pop in the lineup. Having Bryce Harper on my team would be cool obviously. Also, please stop being cute with bargain bin bullpen construction. David Robertson, Adam Ottavino, Jeurys Familia...whatever. Please get them.
Why would you want the Dodgers to chase expensive bullpen arms when they so consistently fizzle? Just look at Colorado this year for the most recent example. Building a bullpen is difficult, and simply throwing more money at the problem is not a reliable solution.

I don't know how you can talk about Kershaw not being in this FO's price range. If this team can't retain a franchise icon like him then what's the point?

I do hope they find a way to bring Ryu back, presumably they'd only do it with some playing time incentives.

bawfuls fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Oct 30, 2018

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Inspector_666 posted:

Something like a full point of Kershaw's ERA is due to his replacement letting all of his inherited runners score, even before Madson's epic shittery this year.
Effectively Wild was talking about this the other day. Something like 75% of his runners left on base have been allowed to score by the Dodgers bullpen in the postseason. The league average rate is ~33%. And as Pancakes notes, many of those runners end up on base because his manager pushes him too far, leaving him out there when he's clearly gassed. Roberts isn't as bad as Mattingly was on this front, but even he does it sometimes. Just look at the handling of Hill in gm4 vs Kersh in gm5 this past weekend for an example.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Price still has a higher postseason ERA than Kershaw but rings dominate the narratives so whatever

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

N: The Mets officially hired that agent as their GM

https://twitter.com/ByJamesWagner/status/1057346134509842432

V: lolmets

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

I don't think he wants to leave, as much as some people seem sure he wants to go home to Texas. They'll work something out because failure to do so in the wake of back-to-back WS losses would be a PR nightmare for the franchise.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

my friend :glomp:

https://twitter.com/uninterrupted/status/1057296051709693952

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

https://twitter.com/si_mlb/status/1057401123659829249

:tif:

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

N: https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1057394307047571457

V: gently caress off leeches!

edit: check out the replies for a host of dumbass Dodgers fans eager to dump Farhan

bawfuls fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Oct 31, 2018

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Julio Cruz posted:

Half a season of an all-glove no-bat third baseman and half a season of an absolute baseball god is still valuable as hell.
A .984 OPS in Coors is not "absolute baseball god"

His wRC+ at home is 129. For context, Justin Turner's road wRC+ was 143 the last two years.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Arenado's career road wRC+ is 108. That's the same as Jurickson Profar this year, just behind Brian Anderson and just ahead of Matt Duffy. It is thoroughly mediocre.

3B who's road wRC_ was around 108 this year include Travish Shaw, Maikel Franco, and Mike Moustakis.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

I agree that the hidden Coors effect almost certainly kills some of his road production. But his home production is still pretty pedestrian when you do even basic park adjustment.

Arenado is a good player but he's not the borderline-mvp candidate people want him to be.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

NiceGuy posted:

I remember getting dogpiled when I complained that this



was a horseshit slide but then oops he's cleated like 5 more guys since and pedroia's career is basically finished so what do I know
Dustin Pedroia is 35 years old, has an MVP award, 3 rings, and will clear $135M in gross salary by the time his current deal is up (at age 38). Along with that he'll have played his entire career with one team who's fans will adore him in perpetuity. I think he'll be fine.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

N: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1058035164721438720

V: I am down with The Freeeeeeeeeze

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

The Pussy Boss posted:

Three hours until Clayton Kershaw opts out and signs with the Yankees. Can't wait.
:blastu:

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1058416207487995905

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1058398604296142848

:pray:

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1058425155855228933

itshappening.gif?

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

The Pussy Boss posted:

I was just teasing, I too like to reminisce about when my baseball team was good

News: Dodgers will give Grandal a QO and are still deciding whether to extend one to Ryu as well
They should absolutely give Ryu one as well, one year at $18M is the kind of risk this team can easily take when his upside is so great. If he declines it, I'd bet the draft pick drags his stock down enough that the Dodgers could bring him back on a multiyear deal with IP incentives.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

just 1 additional year, seems surprising

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1058441633388290049

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

N: https://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/status/1058451276822831104

V: praise

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

lol remember when people thought he'd surely leave for Texas at the first opportunity?

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Bird in a Blender posted:

Kershaw had 2 years left. Is this adding 3 to that, or just extending his 2 years by one more year? If he's getting paid until he's 35, I'd say this is a decent deal. If it's just adding one more year, this seems bad for Kershaw. He'll be 33 and have a history of injuries. It will be tough to get anything more than a year or two deal at that point. Although, maybe he's only thinking of playing until 35 or so.
it's adding 1 year to the existing 2

it's a steal

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Spoeank posted:

Literally the entire first page of results are just Dallas writers lol
heard this all the time from Dodger fans chicken-littleing for the past several years

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Because he doesn't actually want to play anywhere else.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Niwrad posted:

Not a lot of teams giving out big, long contracts to pitchers over 30.
The following pitchers signed bigger/longer deals starting at age 30 or later:

Price - 7yrs/$217M
Scherzer - 7yrs/$210M
Greinke - 6yrs/$206.5M
Verlander - 7yrs/$180M
Sabathia - 5yrs/$122M
Lester - 6yrs/$155M
Cueto - 6yrs/$130M
Darvish - 6yrs/$126M
Cliff Lee - 5yrs/$120M

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Kershaw is yet another example of this phenomena at work. Justin Turner's deal also qualifies.

https://twitter.com/ChadMoriyama/status/1058460164313964544

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Inspector_666 posted:

I was unaware that people thought nobody likes playing for LA.
By "people" Chad means LA sports talk radio callers and their ilk. There is a large, loud, ignorant contingent of fans who cry and scream every time the team loses on October that the FO/management/etc are ruining a great team and alienating players.

SAS is aware of how awful Bill Plaschke is. Now realize he's probably the most read Dodgers columnist.

edit: also this is cool and good https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1058464483780243458

bawfuls fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Nov 2, 2018

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Just think of the legions of New Yorkers who listened to Mike Francesa religiously, and translate that to LA. Same thing really.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Hotdog In A Hallway posted:

Re: Cleveland

I am sure that they get floated trade proposals for the rotation all the time. They’ll listen and reject anything they don’t feel works. This is getting a lot of traction because it’s early and they have a lot of good pieces for teams to dream about.

Honestly, I bet if the Yankees came back and offered Frazier+ one or two mid level prospects for Kluber they’d think long and hard about it. Same thing for Dodgers and Verdugo+, or Gallo+
I'd trade Verdugo + lesser guys for Kluber in an instant.

Details of Kershaw's deal are extremely on brand for this FO
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1058463814142824448

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

On why Kershaw didn't seek a longer deal:

https://twitter.com/jphoornstra/status/1058496060857843712
As odd as that sounds, it is consistent with what he's said in the past. When he signed his 7 year extension with the current opt out, the Dodgers initially offered him $300M over 15 years but he expressed the same concern about not living up to such a long deal.

Maximizing dollars does not appear to be at the top of his priority list. But crushing the haters sure is.

https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/1058495115767963648

Kershaw likes being a Dodger, big surprise.

https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/1058494646567895040

bawfuls fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Nov 3, 2018

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

The Pussy Boss posted:

I think Kershaw loves the Dodgers and wants to spend his whole career there, has made $160 million already (~$260 million by the end of this extension), and didn't want to opt out a week after losing a second consecutive world series. Seems reasonable to me and I don't see how his decision affects how much money Patrick Corbin or anyone else gets.
Kershaw did what every fan says they want their players to do, take a home town discount because he genuinely wants to be here. And people are all :psypop: about it

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Popete posted:

Baez was robbed, split too much time between 2b/ss.
there should be one at-large or utility GG in each league and Enrique Hernandez should narrowly beat out Javy for it every year.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Nick Markakis won over Puig?? :wtc:

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

The Pussy Boss posted:

Dodgers and Yankees both stayed out of the luxury tax in 2018 and reset the penalties, and have infinity dollars, but I don't think either has room for Manny or Bryce? Unless like LA trades Puig or Bellinger, or the Yanks trade Andujar, or something wacky like that?
The Dodgers are definitely in on Harper. And they're being egged on by the full spectrum of local media, from hot-takes in the LA Times to the blogosphere

Their outfield is not all that full. Kemp only has 1 year left and they were ready to DFA him this year if needed. Joc and Verdugo have been long-rumored trade bait (send them to Cleveland for some pitching imo). Hernandez, Taylor, and Bellinger all have infield flexibility to fill in the gaps.

There is also a confirmed anonymous Dodgers front office employee who posts somewhat regularly to the Dodgers Digest comment section, who has indicated they are going after Harper.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Giants fans ought to be over the moon about this if Zaidi takes it. You'd be getting an excellent GM and also get to steal him from LA.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

for a good time, read the replies

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1059919587095961600

Farhan plz don't do this to us

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

mcmagic posted:

Better would be to trade Stanton to the Dogders and fill his role with Bryce.
I saw a Dodgers fan unironically propose this a few days ago.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

mcmagic posted:

It makes sense.
It makes a lot more sense for the Dodgers to just sign Harper themselves instead.

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bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Vernacular posted:

What an rear end in a top hat
you dead to me Farhan

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