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Overwatch Porn posted:I mean, it's clearly labeled as Chapter 1, sooooo I know, but spoopy knife child that pulls out a heart and is probably gonna go on a killing spree doesn't exactly leave me with hope for the next chapter
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J.A.B.C. posted:Chara is a dimensional constant. 'You' are a reflection of your vessel's better nature, their ability to do good, while Chara is your capacity for violence for violence's sake. And when you stop playing, when you go to bed, he comes out. I never quite understood that interpretation of Chara, they struck me more as being a child that learned from your actions and was a reflection of them for good or bad. They seemingly weren't that nice to begin with but the knife doesn't come out in the original unless you really, really set the worst example possible.
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I think his look and the way he acts with regards to traps/puzzles is supposed to be a meta joke that the real Gaster is more like Papyrus than Sans
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Lunatic Sledge posted:yeah, I'm half expecting this to eventually turn into some kind of commentary on choice in games / illusion of choice, the way the first one played with the idea of violence in games just kind of being a thing we take for granted Knowing Toby, though, it would sound like that would be less an allusion to Specs Ops and more an allusion to OFF. If you use that game as an example it could be that Chara is the one with the real power in the narrative and that you, the player, are just an observer without the ability to really control what they do. If that's the case then I'm not really sure what he could say about the illusion of choice that OFF didn't already cover.
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If you look at the Dark World as being a game of make believe, it's really sweet that Kris would put their brother in it and make him the moral center of their journey even if he can't be there to play with them in person
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Johnny Joestar posted:i don't think susie can be categorized as a specific animal Mean Girl is the strongest animal
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Tired Moritz posted:honestly the worst character is actually toriel, dont @ me Unironically
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GunnerJ posted:The Virgin Burgerpants vs. the Chad Susie 
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Tired Moritz posted:chara was a mistake
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Aisu posted:My long shot dream is the Fun Gang as a single character with a rotation pool, like Pokemon Trainer. Alternatively only one character (Susie) makes it into the game but the entire Fun Gang shows up to do a group attack for the Final Smash.
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Regalingualius posted:Undyne VS Cloud, who wins? Undyne wins even if she loses, because anime finally became real
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nine-gear crow posted:Noelle becoming a party member was 100% telegraphed by the demo, so I’m not especially surprised by that. What I’m holding out hope for is if any of the other classmates like Berdly, Catti, MK, et al. join the party or go to the Dark World too at some point. Noelle was in the original Fun Gang concept art Toby made during the development of Undertale so her yeah her being playable (or at least in the group for some) wouldn't be surprising. https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/1063270097110949888?lang=en Any of the others joining as well would be good but if all we get out of that is something like Temmie being playable for one battle I'd been fine with just that 
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GunnerJ posted:So was Undertale basically just a side diversion on the way to developing Deltarune? Kinda feels like Toby was going in this direction all along but then decided to play around with a bunch of his characters for a different story and it became Undertale. He might have had a vague idea beforehand but if the tweet is accurate then that drawing would have been done one to two years after Undertale's Kickstarter ended. It wouldn't surprise me if making another game with those characters was something that was planned before the development of Undertale ended because the game was released with some possible foreshadowing to Deltarune in it. There is an event that can pop up in Waterfall if the game's Fun value is generated at the start of the game to anywhere from 80 to 89 (out of 100) wherein you meet a clam monster that says 'I'm visiting Waterfall from the city. Synchronicity...? My neighbor's daughter looks about your age. Her name is "Suzy." I feel like you two should be friends' (the dialogue after that isn't really important). Undertale's first patch added another relevant line, 'In life's grand scheme, she might be why you came here in the first place...' In both the original and patched version of the game the word Suzy is colored yellow so it was meant to be noticed if nothing else. Any post-1.00 version of the game also has this description added to one of the drawers in Sans's workshop: '(There's a photo album inside the drawer.) (There are photos of... Huh?) (A card is sticking out from the back flap of the binder.) (It's a poorly drawn picture of three smiling people.) (Written on it...) "don't forget."' Undertale was released in September of 2015 and the first patch came out in January of 2016, so with Deltarune coming out three years after the release of Undertale I feel that it's more likely that he had the idea for a sequel while developing Undertale but didn't have any concrete plans until close to the release of the game. Coincidentally the event that mentions Suzy is tied with the event where you meet Goner Kid as the second most likely Fun event to happen in terms of percentage so if it was intended as foreshadowing that might be why it has the frequency that it does. Of course both events are tied at 10% so while it isn't that likely that you'll see it it's still more likely than most of them. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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GunnerJ posted:Interesting, yeah... maybe Kris does not always have a human soul, given the whole soul cage deal at the end. I've thought about this recently but it would be an interesting thing to do if Kris does have their own human soul but it's a different type of soul that the red one that the player is able to overwrite whenever they take over control. I'm not sure though what other type of soul would make the most sense for them, maybe perseverance given their ostensible main character status. This assumes of course that everyone in Deltarune has a soul and that the player's soul isn't an anomaly in an otherwise functional world. I really hope that the full game shows us what Kris does when the soul is removed and doesn't leave it up to the player's imagination because among other things I'm curious as to why Kris has a save file in the Dark World that can be overwritten by the player's file save points don't seem to exist anywhere except the Dark World. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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GunnerJ posted:The other thing I'm curious about on a related note is is the fact that Deltarune save points are related to "power" rather than "determination." I wonder where power comes from in this case or its a mix of determination and something else. I would say LV but both Kris and player's save files have an LV of 1. Kris's save file doesn't have time recorded or a location written on it so most likely they were born with the capacity to use one but never found a save point to do so. The closest thing I can't think of would be the player getting all the way up to the Omega Flowey fight without a save existing because you never used one of the save points in the Underground. I wonder if any of this is tied to the fact that the save points in the Dark World are white instead of yellow.
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GunnerJ posted:I have been thinking it ties to Deltarune's theme of lacking agency: Those who can make choices that matter can have the determination to see through their ambitions, those who can't might have the power to get things done but what gets done is not of their choosing and nor can they cause other outcomes. idk if this really holds up tho... My read on the theme of agency or the lack thereof is that it's supposed to be the direct opposite of the way that Undertale handled it. In Undertale the player's ability to make choices affected everything and everyone whenever they were given the option to do so to the point that you could argue that the only time that character development for others is not tied to the player is in the neutral endings where the player is gone entirely. Even in that though they are still reacting to the choices that you've made so the agency of the player to determine the fate of others isn't completely gone. Whether someone lives or dies (with the exception of Flowey killing someone) is 100% up to the player as well given that monsters that are injured or on the verge of being killed never run from fights even when it would be the only way for them to survive. For Deltarune I think the idea of your choices not mattering only extends to the player. Susie undergoes character development but a lot of it is her reacting to the actions of others without anyone involved being under the control of the player (I think, it's been a while since I've played the game). During encounters you are given the option to fight and while that would have been a death sentence for any NPC in Undertale the monsters you face here always make the decision to run away before that can happen. The biggest example I can think of though is Kris removing the soul at the end of the game with the player still being able move it around in the cage. The choices you make don't matter, but the choices of everyone else do. I think that idea would be the smartest way that Deltarune can go if it's intended to be a reflection of Undertale but with many underlying aspects being different, such as a lot of people in Hometown are different from their counterparts Undertale. Extending that I really, really hope that Chara either never shows up or at least never possesses the player (though maybe the player is actually Chara?). That would cheapen the absolute gently caress out of any larger point the game is making about agency and choice if it can all be boiled down to "actually no the scary knife child will always kill everyone because SINCE WHEN WERE YOU THE ONE IN CONTROL?" For a game about choice and how the results of your actions affect others a depressingly large amount of the fandom seems to treat the genocide run in the first game as being the result of an actively antagonistic outside force and not the fault of the person that actually made the decision to hunt down and kill everyone. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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The option "I've got places to be" could also be read as Frisk wanting to stay with another monster and not Toriel. After all, they are standing in front of Asgore in the group photo while Toriel is further off to the side. I don't think it's necessarily a binary of Toriel or Frisk's actual parents when Frisk's past relies on the player's own interpretation.
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Aisu posted:If you name the creator, rather than the creation, after Kris, Susie, or Noelle, the game goes "HOW INTERESTING" and tells you you're about to meet someone very, very wonderful, which is interesting (and was another big clue for Dark World Noelle before Toby just casually confirmed it). I wonder if that's some sort of foreshadowing that the player might take control of Susie or Noelle at some point the same way that they do with Kris. I'm probably reading too much in to the this but if meeting Kris is given the same weight as Susie and Noelle then I don't think they'll be under the player's control for the entire time as properly getting to know them would mean seeing how they actually are. Assuming of course that "spooky knife child" isn't the entirety of their personality. It'll be interesting in Chapter 2 and onward if we get to see more of Kris as without the player's control, because I don't think that knife child is what Toby is going for in the long term. If anything, the scene at the end of the game reminded me of our first proper introduction to Susie: a physically hostile/intimidating act, solid colored (or solid looking) eyes, and threatening the player/player character with physical violence using a sharp object. I think there's something more at work here and sadly a lot of the fandom seems to look past that in favor of seeing Chara. Alternatively, Kris, Susie, and Noelle all getting that response could mean that at one point they might have been potential vessels to be created by whoever is doing it before the game starts. Hell, they could be vessels during the game itself but without the player being told of their creation being discarded we don't know what a proper vessel would even be like. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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Oxxidation posted:and they huff dry-erase markers. they are filled with mystery. Considering how few people seem to want to be around them (or vice versa) I wonder who taught them to do that? Probably Noelle, she seems like a bad influence.
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Oxxidation posted:my personal take on it is that they were a lot more outgoing when they were younger but their insecurity over the whole "human" thing caused them to start acting out, and their parents' divorce drove them fully into their shell. if the townspeople's anecdotes are accurate then asriel was the only person left that they stayed close to, so they're probably not doing so well without him around I wonder when the player first started taking control of Kris. When things about the past are brought up no one seems to remember Kris as being the silent, standoffish weirdo that they are while under the player's control. My guess would be either around the time of the divorce or when Asriel left. Also I hope we'll be able to return Kris's copy of "How to Draw Dragons" at some point in the full game. At least I assume it's Kris's copy, I don't see Asriel as being the type of Good Boy to let a library book become 2,583 days overdue. If it is Kris's though that would make sense as to why, like the knife, the player isn't able to interact with it or even know it's there at any point during the time that they're in control of Kris. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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Turtlicious posted:Is deltarune as good as undertale? Honestly yeah, especially if we're talking about characters. I like the characters in Undertale and I've written a lot about them in the four years since the game came out but the main cast in Deltarune left a larger impression on me despite being in a much shorter game. Primarily, I really like that we get to see more of them for the entire journey as opposed to Undertale which had one or two characters for each major area that didn't reappear as a whole until the very end of the Pacifist route. Also in terms of both games with what role the characters fill it does feel like the Underground would be improved by having someone like Susie, Ralsei, or Lancer in it rather than the Dark World containing someone like Papyrus, Sans, or Undyne.
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A big flaming stink posted:i'm still extremely confused how in the hell applying "determination" to a flower that grew from asriel's grave resurrected him into flowey. The flower that got injected with determination juice was also the first one that came grew out of the ground that Asriel's dust had been sprinkled on, so maybe it resurrected Asriel due to some weirdness regarding magic and the ability of sufficient determination being able to raise the dead like with Chara. If not then Flowey is just a flower monster born with no soul that has Asriel's memories and thinks that he's Asriel, in which case holy poo poo this entire situation just got a lot more sad.
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Aisu posted:I will say that, in my opinion, at least, the Undertale the Musical people improved a lot by the time Deltarune came out. I genuinely can't count the number of times I listened to their version of THE WORLD REVOLVING on loop while working on a long-term transcription project earlier this year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQyBHdcTdY
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Accordion Man posted:I mean the fight with him (As well the Sans fight) hints that he does have real latent strength what with turning you blue, he's just too nice and fun-loving to really start using his power and going all out on people. If you stop the genocide run by sparing Papyrus and then hang out with him afterward it's implied that he has gaster blasters as well. It's unlikely he can teleport like Sans but yeah a serious fight with Papyrus would have been the Sans fight but significantly harder.
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Captain Invictus posted:wait, really? It's really just implied but considering that he shares a lot of attack types and abilities with Sans I think it makes sense 
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You could probably get a lot of mileage out of a twitter account that just retweets that picture in response to exceedingly bad tweets, posts, or articles from elsewhere
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J.A.B.C. posted:Its Kyanka's law. Any internet famous celebrity will be discovered to have been a goon at least at one point in time. Chris Onstad used to post in the Achewood thread though might not count because someone bought him an account just so that he could post in the thread.
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Scrap Dragon posted:This is also the case for Matt McMuscles, who was listed above. He also got driven away by goons being goons Onstad wasn't driven away so much as he just stopped posting after a while which was probably the smart move considering how many people in the thread gave him money for the cookbook that was never released.
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Oxxidation posted:undertale is what got me into writing fanfiction which i continue to do to this day in very large quantities, let this be memorialized here Where do you post your fanfiction
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I can't read Japanese but I'm excited that the text about Chapter 2 says Mother 2 near the end of it
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Larryb posted:True, and there are armor upgrades in the first chapter when it comes to minimizing damage. The player can still move the soul a little bit during the ending so it was probably a means of denying the player pie Honestly though I don't think that scene was meant to be " It's NotChara Time here comes the stabbings!" so much as it was Kris returning to how they are when the player is gone. If they're meant to be this universe's Frisk then anything can happen because we don't know what Frisk was like outside of the player's control zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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Larryb posted:Given the way they dress and the fact that the Dreemurrs are their adoptive family, I always assumed Kris was meant as a stand-in for the Chara/First Fallen Human we never really met in the last game. In terms of the role, definitely, although they almost certainly aren't meant to be the physical incarnation of Chara in this universe considering that their skin color is different from Chara's zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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somepartsareme posted:Do we even know if asgore did anything bad in deltarune continuity No idea at all, just that Toriel doesn't like him
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There's something I noticed in Deltarune when I replayed it recently, both it and Undertale start off with the player having a bandage equipped  You can only remove the bandage in Undertale  What kind of injury could the human be getting that they'd have to use the same bandage over and over again?  Oh. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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Sharkitten posted:I hope Noelle is playable in chapter 2 Nyaa posted:Chapter 2 is in a city with traffic. Let's hope she doesn't turn out to be a deer in the headlights
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He said that chapter two's development is going well the previous two times so maybe he's on chapter three or four zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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Big Scary Owl posted:So is this game coming out or what There's a beta build of Chapter 2 so someone will have to hack Toby's computer to get more
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LordMune posted:Fervently praying this ends with a Chapter 2 release date announcement If he gives commentary on chapter 1's ending the last three years of waiting will have been worth it. My god, the fandom's reaction to getting even one popular theory destroyed 
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