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CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014




Pillbug

Drives me crazy when people blame USADA for the decline of the UFC. gently caress.

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Gay Horney
Feb 9, 2013


fighter pay has always been low in absolute terms but it is much much lower than it used to be in terms of fighter pay as a percentage of revenue. Fighters have always been paid like poo poo, this four billion dollar ESPN behemoth is what's new. Unscrupulous bosses were a plague of the sport back in the day. now the exploitation has been securitized. the fat boss rides around a gigantic compound in Maine on a series of hundred thousand dollar tractors and people go oh yes, Dana white is awesome and deserves every penny.

Gay Horney
Feb 9, 2013


with all that being said I havent watched the documentary and think Felix is kind of a dumb rear end and Jon Bois is a twee dork

old.flv
Jan 28, 2017


I enjoyed it for the most part but thought it fell apart at the end - my interest has been piqued for other sb nation content though (especially this barry bonds bat thing) so I guess it's a 'win'

Dogbrisket
Jun 10, 2009



Gay Horney posted:

with all that being said I havent watched the documentary and think Felix is kind of a dumb rear end and Jon Bois is a twee dork

Dude, that's a rude thing to say especially since I suspect one of them is posting in the thread right now.

DumbWhiteGuy
Jul 4, 2007

You need haters. Fellas if you got 20 haters, you need 40 of them motherfuckers. If there's any haters in here that don't have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me


Gay Horney posted:

fighter pay has always been low in absolute terms but it is much much lower than it used to be in terms of fighter pay as a percentage of revenue. Fighters have always been paid like poo poo, this four billion dollar ESPN behemoth is what's new.

fair point

Gay Horney posted:

with all that being said I havent watched the documentary and think Felix is kind of a dumb rear end and Jon Bois is a twee dork

fair point. it probably is worth a watch though

Mr. Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007



Eat This Glob posted:

The chapo guy and Jon bois' thing turned out pretty good, imo

I really enjoyed it other than the throwing the charcoal drawing filter over every image choice. Most of them didn't look like paintings or whatever they were going for - they just looked low quality and dirty.

Edit: Also I get that linking politics and conditions of the time were important for context but the writer leaned extremely heavy into that at points and probably could have dialed that back a bit and spent more of that time for MMA details and fight breakdowns. I was surprised how much of it went into political ranting beyond context setup but I haven't watched a ton of SB Nation stuff nor have I seen anything else from the people who made it so if that's normal then that's normal.

Mr. Carlisle fucked around with this message at Dec 1, 2018 around 03:19

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.


The last two parts in particular I really loved, but then again I could watch stuff from the Chael/Silva 1 fight and Jon Jones fuckups forever and always be able to smile at it

Mr. Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007



Chris James 2 posted:

The last two parts in particular I really loved, but then again I could watch stuff from the Chael/Silva 1 fight and Jon Jones fuckups forever and always be able to smile at it

Yeah I feel like showing this series to someone you're trying to help get into MMA for the first time or at least understand the history of the sport leading up to now would be a really good jump off point

Although they may be depressed by the end of it

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.


Mr. Carlisle posted:

Yeah I feel like showing this series to someone you're trying to help get into MMA for the first time or at least understand the history of the sport leading up to now would be a really good jump off point

Although they may be depressed by the end of it

The series could have been a lot more depressing to be fair. If they had even two more weeks to work on it, they could have done a whole small recap of how hosed the broken bodies that get chewed up and spit out by the company become in the aftermath

By which I of course mean showing the entire video of the recent Chuck/Tito fight

The Automator
Jan 16, 2009


I liked how it made a huge deal and used scary music when talking about ufc taking place in a building that is famous for fights because trump owned it

Mr. Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007



Chris James 2 posted:

The series could have been a lot more depressing to be fair. If they had even two more weeks to work on it, they could have done a whole small recap of how hosed the broken bodies that get chewed up and spit out by the company become in the aftermath

By which I of course mean showing the entire video of the recent Chuck/Tito fight

I was talking more about the super weird ending of "Everything you love turns to poo poo so don't like anything" that they decided to drive home in the final moments more than the sad state of the sport

But yeah, that too

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 38 hours!


Mr. Carlisle posted:

I was talking more about the super weird ending of "Everything you love turns to poo poo so don't like anything" that they decided to drive home in the final moments more than the sad state of the sport

But yeah, that too

I dunno, Felix still very clearly loves UFC, it's less 'don't like anything because it all gets sold out' and more 'if we keep obsessing over 'legitimacy' as some nebulous goal for everything we do then any hobby or pass time you have is vulnerable to getting hosed up exactly like this'.

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

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Chris James 2 posted:

The series could have been a lot more depressing to be fair. If they had even two more weeks to work on it, they could have done a whole small recap of how hosed the broken bodies that get chewed up and spit out by the company become in the aftermath

By which I of course mean showing the entire video of the recent Chuck/Tito fight

They've basically been talking about doing this, if not outright working on this, off and on for like 2 years

e: but i liked it

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

There are no men like me. There's only me.

I got to talk about the glory of Pride FC with people that never had been interested in it before. So this series was a total success on my end.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him


Mr. Carlisle posted:

Yeah I feel like showing this series to someone you're trying to help get into MMA for the first time or at least understand the history of the sport leading up to now would be a really good jump off point

Or maybe just show them Pride 33 and be like, one in 100 cards is this good.

Veskit
Mar 2, 2005

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LOOK UPON ME AND TREMBLE

I really appreciated the overall point where when the UFC had investments in their fighters the sport itself flourished. I'm surprised that it was never brought up that a union really legitimizes a sport also and makes it a better product.


But yeah money first

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Rap terrorist, terrorise, tear it up
Brought gas and the matches to flare it up
Militant Michael might go psycho
On any ally or rival
Born Black, that's dead on arrival
My job is to fight for survival
In spite of these #AllLivesMatter-ass white folk


kimbo305 posted:

Or maybe just show them Pride 33 and be like, one in 100 cards is this good.

Best of everything:

Pride 33
WEC 53
Strikeforce: Rousey vs Tate
UFC 189

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Jul 25, 2007

3o likes to floss about his cool apartment in the middle of fucking nowhere but ultimately he isnt rich enough to buy the forums

we've had way richer goons here, bigtime mega millionaires, who sure as shit could though, with just the loose change in their pocket

david carmichael posted:

Arona will never get old and he will never lose

If Arona's son Paulo Filho can lose via Decision (Hallucinations) I think Arona might someday be beatable too

He's never getting old though

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Rap terrorist, terrorise, tear it up
Brought gas and the matches to flare it up
Militant Michael might go psycho
On any ally or rival
Born Black, that's dead on arrival
My job is to fight for survival
In spite of these #AllLivesMatter-ass white folk


BENGHAZI 2 posted:

"Everything you love will be monetized and watered down and ruined by the same rich fucks who try to extract the most money for themselves at the cost of normal people as everything else. You can build something new and they'll gently caress that up too as soon as it's successful. Also here's a backdrop of things just getting shittier and more alienating at the same time as this weirdo outsider thing gets monetized into poo poo. Rip"

The favourite twist is the wingnuts claiming the UFC is a clear display of the failures of socialism, because they see uniformity (via uniforms) = communism, whereas the bootstraps of Conor shows the powerful force of individual capitalist enterprise not hindered by government intrusion. They have clearly never heard of when corporations would pay employees in currency that was only redeemable with other parts of said corporation.

DO YALL WANT A BOXC
Jul 20, 2010

I PUT ON MY ROBE AND RANGERS HAT


Fun Shoe

i really really liked the doc. the last part in particular hit on a bunch of the reasons why I don't find the UFC as interesting as I did 10 years or so ago when i originally got into it. it was very bizarre and weird and had a particular brand and point of view, even if that was metal mulisha, josh koscheck threatening to motorboat GSP's rear end, condom depot shorts, face the pain, etc.

now it's just way more bland even if it's more 'polished', and the fighters personalities are way less interesting even if the skill level has gone up, and the experience of being a fan was better when there were fewer cards and you got to know more fighters and see more important fights on fewer cards.

i think part of sage's appeal here besides his Lean Body is that he's a throwback to the years ago when fighters were more easily seen weirdos, were on more blatant roids, and his career has been fairly easy to follow even as a guy on the bottom rung.

i understand why they're doing it, and it's probably good business to do it with the value of live sports as an investment for the PE fucks and for streaming rights. but i don't personally like it as much anymore, and it could be a bad strategy in the longterm. nascar was like 5-10 years ahead of the UFC in getting more corporatized and bland and changing sponsors and removing the danger and weirdness and the bizarre drivers. they've lost like half their attendance and most of their ratings in the last 10 years, but they've got a huge TV deal still.

Brown Paper Bag
Nov 3, 2012



A question/challenge for the thread. Is there a single Anti-Bolsanaro UFC fighter from Brazil? I did some half-arsed research from Instagram and the only contender I could identify was Junior Albini but not knowing Portuguese I canít confirm: https://www.instagram.com/p/BorgM3s...id=qo0lbc13xavk

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Brown Paper Bag posted:

A question/challenge for the thread. Is there a single Anti-Bolsanaro UFC fighter from Brazil? I did some half-arsed research from Instagram and the only contender I could identify was Junior Albini but not knowing Portuguese I canít confirm: https://www.instagram.com/p/BorgM3s...id=qo0lbc13xavk

i dont know. its none of my business since i dont live there

Brown Paper Bag
Nov 3, 2012



I.N.R.I posted:

i dont know. its none of my business since i dont live there

Amazon River? Where is that? None of my business IMO

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Brown Paper Bag posted:

Amazon River? Where is that? None of my business IMO

yeah, it really isnt. i havent grown up through decades of severe political corruption in a barrios run by a violent cartel without working electricity or a police force .. so yeah i probably wouldnt vote for the extremist. but if i did then maybe i might have .. you just dont know.

Brown Paper Bag
Nov 3, 2012



The uniformity of option is more what interests me, itís pretty fascinating. Canít think of anything else like it in a sporting context

Watching the Fighting in the Age of Loneliness brought it back to mind

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



I genuinely hate to interrupt a discussion about the documentary series (which was really good) but the new thread is up.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3875913

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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Rap terrorist, terrorise, tear it up
Brought gas and the matches to flare it up
Militant Michael might go psycho
On any ally or rival
Born Black, that's dead on arrival
My job is to fight for survival
In spite of these #AllLivesMatter-ass white folk


Brown Paper Bag posted:

A question/challenge for the thread. Is there a single Anti-Bolsanaro UFC fighter from Brazil? I did some half-arsed research from Instagram and the only contender I could identify was Junior Albini but not knowing Portuguese I canít confirm: https://www.instagram.com/p/BorgM3s...id=qo0lbc13xavk

Demian Maia maybe? He is a playboy after all.

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