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Donovan Trip posted:John's way of life puts himself, Abigail and the boy in constant danger. She's stuck thru with him getting chased across the country, going to prison, robbing and murdering. It takes everyone they know either dying or disappearing for John to shake his faith in Dutch, to finally leave for the good of his family and reform. And still, even then John leaves a trail of bodies in his wake, the epilogue beginning with them having to relocate once again. She finally leaves for good and he begs her to come back giving the impression he's really changed for good and working his own ranch, and the first day she's back he's off to do a bounty job and it turns out he paid for the ranch with blood. He even throws it in her face a bit. Except when she get's on his case for checks notes stopping his coworkers for getting the poo poo beat out of them, protecting the ranch and not turning himself in to bounty hunters. If anything, she and John were poorly written for the sake of drama in epilogue 1.
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IMO it's a miracle this game exists at all and you can see the holes they drilled into the frame to get it out the door in time. Everything leading up to washing up on that island is so god drat good that the slight decline in writing quality after that chapter is super noticeable. It's also noticeable during chapter 4 that they had to totally gut it half-way through development. They setup this whole mafia hierarchy full of interesting people to do missions for with that party mission then just skip to the part where Dutch just unceremoniously drowns him. Then all the people at the party just end up being super minor characters that pop up later for 5 minutes. Although I feel like the epilogue more than makes up for it. I would have liked it to be based around Sadie but seeing John's arc come complete is pretty satisfying. Now what I really want to bitch about is the inability to teach John to loving swim. Like it's funny once or twice when you forget and manage to drown, but god drat just taking away the ability to swim really loving sucks.
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Nov 10, 2018 05:59
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I thought Guarma owned.
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"A bounty of FIVE Dollars, for a job that big. See that Bill?  That's the benefit of do things quiet like-"Then after the plot side trip to sass a grieving widow and son, my bounty magically increased to $120. A pittance before with nearly 800 in my wallet beforehand. A pittance after because it was a goddamned bank heist leaving me with just under 3k. But far more important than money, was the lost feeling of being a smooth criminal. Because I felt so goddamned cool for robbing a bank with less than  offered for my head, alas.EDIT: And then Dutch interrupts me on my way to buy the camp a brand new boat, to gives a sad speech about how I don't put money in the box anymore (That still had over $200 in it) 
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Nov 10, 2018 13:43
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After watching the credits I had a fun bug where none of the towns would spawn anything but ambient NPCs. Shops were totally empty including the merchandise and there was no law response for shooting the wandering NPCs. Had to reboot the game to fix it. What a wild bug.
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Nov 10, 2018 19:33
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Goofy half-assed reference in the epilogue, if you go to the general store in Armadillo and see Herbert Moon, theres a lovely picture on the shelf behind him of the Strange Man from RDR1. John comments on it, saying theres something familiar about the man in that picture.
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Nov 10, 2018 20:05
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Mandrel posted:Goofy half-assed reference in the epilogue, if you go to the general store in Armadillo and see Herbert Moon, theres a lovely picture on the shelf behind him of the Strange Man from RDR1. John comments on it, saying theres something familiar about the man in that picture. I thought that was Trelawny?
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Nov 10, 2018 23:22
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Easy mistake to make since they look similar, but its definitely the strange man. You can also find a creepy hut people are associating with the strange man that has a map of armadillo in it, see https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadmysteries/comments/9vlj6w/everevolving_foreseers_swamp_cabin/
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Nov 10, 2018 23:28
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Speaking of which, apparently this happens at 100% completion  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JGFUnq-JtQ
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Nov 12, 2018 17:13
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That's loving scary that someone has poop socked that hard already Check that dude for bed sores
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Nov 12, 2018 19:11
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I played an unreasonable amount of this game since launch and I just finished the epilogue. Gamers never change.
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Uh is my game glitched, I'm just beginning the epilogue and Marston is skinny enough to get charity from Sally Struthers....
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Reposting from the main thread because this game has me all hosed up and I forgot there was a spoiler thread. Commiserate with me, fellow cowpokes.DrNutt posted:Well, I guess since I finished the epilogue I'm gonna just assume that Agent Ross loving sucks at his job and never catches up to John Marston and they all live a happy long life at Beecher's Hope. Red Dead Redemption you say? Nah that sounds like a game that takes place before Red Dead Redemption 2, which is obviously a sequel.
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Nov 13, 2018 05:35
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as all hell. What happened to poor Mrs. Downes though?
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Spiteski posted:Which lady was the one gunned down in the camp early in Chapter 6? Was that her or am I confusing her with O'Shea? That was poor Mrs. Grimshaw.
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Did RDR 1 ever explain how Abigail died?
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UnfortunateSexFart posted:Did RDR 1 ever explain how Abigail died? She died of the same thing Padme did.
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UnfortunateSexFart posted:Did RDR 1 ever explain how Abigail died? She got sick and died if I remember right
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She got TB from Arthur.
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Has anyone found any interesting stuff in New Austin? One of my goals was to visit tumbleweed, the burned down town you have a few fights in during RDR1. If you haven't been, I recommend it.
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Donovan Trip posted:Has anyone found any interesting stuff in New Austin? One of my goals was to visit tumbleweed, the burned down town you have a few fights in during RDR1. If you haven't been, I recommend it. Yeah the local gang commits interesting crimes all the time
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Nov 13, 2018 08:36
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If I didnt act in time to stop the lawman being killed in Armadillo does that mean Ive locked myself out of some bounties or stranger mission stuff or whatever it may be
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I've been pondering this too much so suffer my conceit: Goonfeed's Top 10 Reasons Sadie Should Have Been the Epilogue Character: 1 - She fills the role of Arthur's successor in a way unattainable to John's intended destiny as a humble family rancher. As she and Arthur bond over their commitment to see the Marstons out safely, they also commiserate over their inability to follow his lead and put the damaged outlaw life behind them. In this light she seems a more obvious candidate for freeroam than the guy with little incentive to leave his ranch other than resupplying at the general store. Bonus points if John declines to hunt down Micah because, as Abigail is right to insist, why endanger the life Arthur wanted for them until the government forces him to? 2 - By the same token, she fills the role of Jack's precursor in that a violent upheaval of her idyllic family retreat sets her down a one-way path of anger and isolation, culminating in a passionate but ultimately hollow quest for revenge against the men responsible. Having players follow her determination to make Micah answer for his betrayal of Arthur and the gang would be a bittersweet mirror of Jack's single-minded desire to find and ventilate Ross for betraying his father. 3 - There's a satisfying bookend in trekking north to familiar haunts at the game's conclusion and, figuratively or literally, burning Micah's established life to the ground, just as he did to her at the beginning. 4 - Visiting John as he gradually builds up his ranch would allow players to experience the peaceful future he was working toward without being tethered to it, and serve as a useful compare/contrast for both characters in terms of the life they embraced and the life they gave away. 5 - Giving her Arthur's journal would be a nice callback to the scene where she muses over what could possibly be inside it, and an opportunity to flesh out her character with what thoughts she adds to it. John already has 1.5 games worth of examination and seems less in need of the attention. 6 - Ludonarrative dissonance, if you're the sort that cares about such things: John has no particular reason to go headhunting in Annesburg or feed bar patrons to crocodiles for looking at him funny, but Sadie probably does both of those things at least once a week. 7 - Rockstar's ability to add interesting missions or characters to the desert region feels stymied by the fact that John apparently doesn't mosey on down yonder until the first game begins, an issue that would not affect Sadie, who already speaks about wanting to make her way south. 8 - delicious gamerbro tears 9 - Just think of all the lost fashion potential  10 - maybe she can swim????????????!!? tl;dr: Capn Beeb posted:Honestly if post story was just Sadie time and John existed out in his ranch and you could help him off and on that would've been hype as hell
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DrNutt posted:Also, someone said the final fate of Mrs. Downes was revealed in one of the Blackwater gazettes? I didn't catch it, but I did see that Mary Beth became a successful romance novelist under an assumed name which is "Indeed this publication received a sunny dispatch from the 31st state that New Hanover's very own Edith Downes has developed and opened a brand new golf course to much acclaim and fanfare. She and her son Archie have, of late, ventured into several businesses out west, which is a very distant lifestyle from her past as a rancher's wife."
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Zenzizenzizenzic posted:Reasons drat fully agree. I think if Rockstar still made sp expansions it'd made plenty of sense to have one for Sadie and one for John.
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Zenzizenzizenzic posted:I've been pondering this too much so suffer my conceit: Goonfeed's Top 10 Reasons Sadie Should Have Been the Epilogue Character: Greet: howdy pardner
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Zenzizenzizenzic posted:I've been pondering this too much so suffer my conceit: Goonfeed's Top 10 Reasons Sadie Should Have Been the Epilogue Character: otoh Sadie is a terrible character with grating voice acting I'd rather play Miss Grimshaw (rip)
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also, John is a skinny little dweeb next to Arthur and he has terrible hair
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Nov 13, 2018 13:52
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I'm still greeting her on every camp visit so I get the marriage ending
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am0kgonzo posted:otoh Sadie is a terrible character with grating voice acting I too like women who shoot helpless pathetic unarmed drunks. (I wish you could kick Grimshaw out at the same time as Strauss)
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am0kgonzo posted:otoh Sadie is a terrible character with grating voice acting Sadie is a great character second only to Arthur. John sucks.
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Zenzizenzizenzic posted:"Indeed this publication received a sunny dispatch from the 31st state that New Hanover's very own Edith Downes has developed and opened a brand new golf course to much acclaim and fanfare. She and her son Archie have, of late, ventured into several businesses out west, which is a very distant lifestyle from her past as a rancher's wife." Awww, nice. Knowing Rockstar I expected something a lot more cynical. Glad that they didn't make Arthur's redemption totally hollow.
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Anyone know the significance of the "Panoramic Map" you can find at a camp where two people froze to death? I wondered if it was a historical reference or just something I'm too stupid to get
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Sadie is a great character second only to Arthur. Arthur is the best, I agree. But second best is between Dutch and Uncle.
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I love being in a bandit camp where I'm not allowed to run to my horse
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emdash posted:Anyone know the significance of the "Panoramic Map" you can find at a camp where two people froze to death? I wondered if it was a historical reference or just something I'm too stupid to get This is probably the one thing I havent found an explanation for anywhere online
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emdash posted:Anyone know the significance of the "Panoramic Map" you can find at a camp where two people froze to death? I wondered if it was a historical reference or just something I'm too stupid to get The mystery hunter people seem to think it's related to the UFOs, but if it is it's not in a way that is straightforwardly apparent yet that I know of
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am0kgonzo posted:also, John is a skinny little dweeb next to Arthur and he has terrible hair Yea why is he so loving skinny? It's driving me nuts I can't stand how twiggy he is. He's gross-looking, like he's got cancer or something.
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I've tried getting him fat just for that reason and it's nigh impossible, pardner. The man has the metabolism of a humming bird
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DrNutt posted:Awww, nice. Knowing Rockstar I expected something a lot more cynical. Glad that they didn't make Arthur's redemption totally hollow. I think they counterbalanced that with what happens to the Wapiti Reservation.
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