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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
edit: I'm releasing people from their humiliating avatar toxxes. In lieu of that, we are going to now ban 2020 primary chat from this thread. There is a thread for that here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3879821

Lightning Knight posted:

I thought I put this in the OP originally but clearly I am a fool.

Don’t post your own tweets you loving nerds.

I’ll let you do it if you’ve got more than 100k followers because lol if someone that internet famous posts on SA in this thread.

MOD NOTE: Please report egregious derails. What constitutes "egregious" will be up to mod discretion.

Request Discord details from PPJ, Ard or LK.

Stop posting about posting.

WELCOME, CHILDREN, TO…. USPOL WINTER!

Some of you may not have posted before the hellish event known as the 2016 Presidential election, but in ye olden days, we had monthly USPOL threads, similar to those for Britain and Australia. This thread will not be monthly, but is going to serve as a general politics thread for US. That means that discussion here doesn’t have to be specifically Trump related… and it also means the mods aren’t going to police people for wanting to criticize the Democratic Party.

This thread will be refreshed some time in March of 2019, as USPOL Spring.

Context for international viewers:



As of last night, the Democratic Party, perpetual goobers and lovers of :decorum:, control the House of Representatives, by a fairly wide margin. However, they suffered losses in the Senate, which is a body they are at an increasing disadvantage to ever control again for any length of time. Likewise, Republicans successfully stole themselves a Supreme Court seat and secured a second one via resignation, effectively damning the court to a generation of conservative rule barring Democratic court packing. Donald J. Trump, resident court jester and awful billionaire grifter, remains the president until 2020 at minimum, and Democrats do not have the votes in the Senate to convict even if the House decides to impeach based on investigations they are making.

Democrats also gained 6 governorships last night, though they lost a number of key races including Florida and Georgia, and Republicans still control a majority of governorships. This is significant because it gives Democrats more control over 2020 redistricting efforts in those states, and 2010 gerrymandering is how the Republicans have gained much of their control.

Against this backdrop, a number of prominent Democratic politicians are gearing up for a bloodbath of a primary in 2020 for who gets to challenge Donald Trump for President. The new Democratic House, likely under longtime leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Cali), must decide what to investigate and what bills to symbolically pass. And there is a new slate of Senate races up for election in 2020.

Game on.

:v: BUT LK I DON’T WANNA ARGUE WITH LEFTISTS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! :qq:
Tough. If you don’t want to read the latest argument from like, VitalSigns or whatever about how the Democratic Party is a group of incompetent boobs, then put them on ignore. What a concept! You don’t have to engage if you don’t want to. Crazy, I know.

:v: BUT LK, WHY DON’T THE LIBERALS HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH ME? THIS IS DEBATE & DISCUSSION! :qq:
Because this thread is going to move crazy fast and it’s going to be many simultaneous discussions at once. I’m sure Fulchrum or yronic heroism will be around shortly to engage in the neverending slapfight.

I’m gonna loving smack anybody who snidely complains about how “identity politics are ruining the Democratic Party!” though, whether they’re blaming it for Bernie’s primary loss or Kerry losing in 2004 because of the gays or whatever bullshit. You’ve been warned.

Star Man posted:

Unban Tiny Brontosaurus you loving cowards

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:ussr: Please join the Democratic Socialists of America. :ussr:

If you come into this thread to cry about how antifa is the same as the Nazis and silencing free speech makes you the real fascists, I will laugh at you. :qq:


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:v: BUT LK, I WANT TO DISCUSS SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND IT’LL GET LOST IN THE FOREVER WAR BETWEEN BERNIE STANS AND HILLARY STANS!
Good news! We have a number of threads about specific topics which will be moderated more aggressively starting today and kept on topic. They include:

The Russia Investigation Thread

Right Wing Media

Conservative Email Forwards/Facebook Posts

The State/Local Politics Thread

The 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

The SCOTUS Thread

The Climate Change Thread

Political Cartoons

Gun Chat

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Thread Rules*:

Please don't constantly ask what has happened since you last checked the thread. Instead, use this:
https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/

:siren:Please report awful, bigoted, or bad-faith posters whenever possible.:siren:

Don't be awful about Barron Trump. He's eleven years old. Every other Trump family member is fair, but let Barron be a kid for just a small bit. In general, just leave people's kids out of it.

Don't try to be the tone police. Trump supporters constantly make death threats and vomit hate speech. It's okay to be assholes to them. In fact, it's your patriotic duty.

The dog rule may be dead, but dog pictures are always appreciated.

Things are not normal. Stop pretending they are. Stop criticizing people for being rightfully afraid, or for taking steps to protect themselves.

An individual minority or woman being an awful person who enables Republicans is not an excuse to be a bigoted or sexist piece of poo poo. I thought this went without saying.

Do not use ableist slurs.

*Enforcement of these or any forum rules subject to mod discretion. Sometimes this thread goes a long time without mods stopping by.

Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Mar 14, 2019

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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Spergin Morlock posted:

Hello regular D&D politics thread, it's been a while. We need 11 more orders of the Piss Tape is Real beanies or the batch gets cancelled. You know what to do!

https://www.customink.com/g/szp0-00bk-77cy



quote:

nice thx. a few orders have been placed today. just fyi there's a regular trucker cap style hat order form as well, details at https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3873506

Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Nov 21, 2018

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
Also reserved.

From previous Trump thread:

novamute posted:

I made a small bookmarklet to automatically filter this thread down to just posts with tweets, external links, or external images to help catch up when I inevitably fall 100 pages behind. Figured I'd post it here in case it helps anybody else stay current. Just remove the space between java and script and add it as a bookmark then you can click it on the pages you want to filter down.

quote:

java script:(function(){ $('table.post').filter(function() { return $(this).find('.postbody > div.tweet, .postbody > img:not([src*="somethingawful.com"]), .postbody > a:not([href*="somethingawful.com"]), .postbody > .timg_container > img:not([src*="somethingawful.com"])').length === 0 }).hide() })()
Here is a version that will show posts with embeds of any kind including Youtube.

quote:

java script:(function(){ $('table.post').filter(function() { return $(this).find('.postbody > div.tweet, .postbody > img:not([src*="somethingawful.com"]), .postbody > a:not([href*="somethingawful.com"]), .postbody > .timg_container > img:not([src*="somethingawful.com"]), .postbody > iframe').length === 0 }).hide() })()


Party Plane Jones posted:

all right I'm going to say several things:

For several months I was the only mod who was looking at D&D reports for US primetime. There are other mods/IKs for other threads/time zones (ober for UKMT/Anidav for AUSPOL) but as I do not really know UK or Aussie politics and they don't know US we don't presume to mod anything but notable shitposting.

If you reported or got probated it's most likely I did it; otherwise guyovich caught you and probated you with a day due to the time zone difference so that you'd actually notice a probation. During the months of september to mid october I looked at and processed something around a thousand reports for D&D; this is partially why we asked for new mod recommendations earlier.

Let it be said that remaking USPOL as it is at the moment didn't arrive in a vacuum. The 4th Trump thread had become USPOL once again in all but name. When 11 people were murdered in Pittsburgh, there wasn't a single post about it in the USPOL thread. When other notable events were happening they weren't posted about in there either; they were put in the Trump thread. The main thing (for better or worse, depending on your point of view and I know CSPAM posters are going to make hay of this) was that Dems are Bad chat was dumped into the Thunderdome thread. This was enforced through warnings and probations.

This is not to say Dems are Good, You Should be Bowing Down to Your Lord and Savior Nancy Pelosi. Dems are at times decent, more often fuckups, and as always trying to maintain a status quo that prefers no real movement that transforms the fabric of American society.

I can certainly see why guyovich made the Thunderdome thread. Having processed that many reports and complaints means posters more often than not were using weaponizing them against people they disagreed with. Sometimes these reports were actually valid, sometimes they weren't. I personally don't love playing alternately hall monitor and school principal for grudges between people. Having looked at the reports since combining USPOL the numbers might have gone up (but then again, that might also be due to the midterms).


(On the subject of derails:
I didn't sit there constantly watching the Trump thread. Modding D&D is not my job. If you got away with talking about something inane like beer or pizza for several hours and I wasn't there to see it, congrats, I wasn't going to probate you for it half a day or days after the fact as by that time the derail had solved itself when the next horrendous thing out of the Trump administration slouched its way to be born reached the news.)


Having said all of that meandering pre-coffee text the current state/design of the threads/USPOL is something LK and I talked about previously and with Ardennes as a newly minted mod we'll all be talking about it. If you'd like to complain more about it you can PM me and I'll take your opinion into consideration.

tl;dr a bunch of words and things


I laughed at this.


Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Nov 10, 2018

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


the tide has turned. the free people are marching together to victory.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

In case you were wondering how Democrats in Ohio are viewing the results of last night’s wipeout in statewide races, the Cleveland Plain Dealer republished a series imagining if the north of the state seceded from the deep red south.

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

Hi thread. How you doing.

Hillary is running or at least trying to figure out if she can.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012
Q: Will there be a separate Trump thread? Or are we back to days of yore with one hellthread?

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



I'm seriously hoping we see some great things out of Beto in the next decade or so. It's unfortunate he didn't win, but he is the type of leader the democratic party could use going forward imo.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Thread music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS-af9Q-zvQ

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



QuoProQuid posted:

In case you were wondering how Democrats in Ohio are viewing the results of last night’s wipeout in statewide races, the Cleveland Plain Dealer republished a series imagining if the north of the state seceded from the deep red south.
We need to do that in FL badly. Everything north of Orlando metro should be its own state. Sorry, Tallahassee, but sacrifices need to be made.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost
If you think last night wasn’t a win for the Democrats, you have unreasonable expectations. Nothing was going to be fixed over night and you never stop working. Take a break but it’s going to take a long time to make change last.

That being said, why aren’t we talking about increasing the size of the House to mitigate gerrymandering and the obvious issues with the Electoral College?

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



FlamingLiberal posted:

We need to do that in FL badly. Everything north of Orlando metro should be its own state. Sorry, Tallahassee, but sacrifices need to be made.

by sacrifices you mean literally sacrificing the majority of the black population of the state

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Solkanar512 posted:

If you think last night wasn’t a win for the Democrats, you have unreasonable expectations. Nothing was going to be fixed over night and you never stop working. Take a break but it’s going to take a long time to make change last.

That being said, why aren’t we talking about increasing the size of the House to mitigate gerrymandering and the obvious issues with the Electoral College?
Also my state of Maine got unfucked finally so I can toast to that.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Bring back the dog rule

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

teen witch posted:

Q: Will there be a separate Trump thread? Or are we back to days of yore with one hellthread?

This is it.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Is the trump thread coming back?

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
After giving it a cursory glance it looks like the dems underperformed and that is being called a victory. Sounds about right.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

teen witch posted:

Q: Will there be a separate Trump thread? Or are we back to days of yore with one hellthread?

one hellthread which is basically what Trump thread turned into by the end of it anyways

Caros
May 14, 2008

Tibalt posted:

Hi thread. How you doing.

Hillary is running or at least trying to figure out if she can.

No. Sweet God, please no.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



haveblue posted:

Bring back the dog rule

the dog rule should not only be brought back, but be enforced with an iron fist

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

Solkanar512 posted:

That being said, why aren’t we talking about increasing the size of the House to mitigate gerrymandering and the obvious issues with the Electoral College?
It doesn't actually fix the issue with the electoral college, it just changes the states you need to win.

It does reduce the outsized influence of those Vermont bastards though.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Everybody needs to come to Mississippi and get Espy elected over Cyndi Hyde-I-Iron-A-Crease-In-My-Blue-Jeans-Smith.

Although I fear the Chris McDaniel ghouls are just going to push her to victory. But hopefully they don't get back out to vote!

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma


GET

hosed

SCOTT

WALKER

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy
NY state Senate is now Democrat controlled and two house seats flipped blue. It's a start.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

eke out posted:

the dog rule should not only be brought back, but be enforced with an iron fist

ya'll pretty much do it as it is per page anyways

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

Is there a way of making it so this thread only contains relevant news posts and not like, pages upon pages of digressions about sandwich preferences and pineapple on pizza? I am not a D&D poster, but I enjoy the way you guys all us this thread to post relevant news.. just sometimes it’s 800 posts of nonsense.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Waltzing Along posted:

After giving it a cursory glance it looks like the dems underperformed and that is being called a victory. Sounds about right.

Democrats did well but not well enough to avoid defeat in states that went for Trump in double-digits.

This Is the Zodiac
Feb 4, 2003

So the Dems aren't going to be so stupid as to actually elect Pelosi speaker again, are they?

Aggro
Apr 24, 2003

STRONG as an OX and TWICE as SMART
Are there any potential Democratic candidates who don’t qualify for Medicare? Bernie and Warren are both on the wrong side of 65.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

The Blue Dogs are dead, we should instead instate a Cat rule. :colbert:

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



Which states that are currently gerrymandered to a laughable degree in the R direction are likely to be redrawn to a fair (or D-favorable) map in 2020 due to pickups in governorships/state houses last night?

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Aggro posted:

Are there any potential Democratic candidates who don’t qualify for Medicare? Bernie and Warren are both on the wrong side of 65.

Gillibrand, Harris, Booker, Duckworth, etc.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Mind_Taker posted:

Which states that are currently gerrymandered to a laughable degree in the R direction are likely to be redrawn to a fair (or D-favorable) map in 2020 due to pickups in governorships/state houses last night?

Michigan, Wisconsin, and North Carolina maybe?

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
excited to read 100 thinkpieces about how beto is a failure because he didn't manage to win a senate election in texas even though the last texas senate election ended in a 16 point gap

Aggro
Apr 24, 2003

STRONG as an OX and TWICE as SMART

Mind_Taker posted:

Which states that are currently gerrymandered to a laughable degree in the R direction are likely to be redrawn to a fair (or D-favorable) map in 2020 due to pickups in governorships/state houses last night?

Michigan for sure. Thanks prop 2.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

Solkanar512 posted:

If you think last night wasn’t a win for the Democrats, you have unreasonable expectations. Nothing was going to be fixed over night and you never stop working. Take a break but it’s going to take a long time to make change last.

That being said, why aren’t we talking about increasing the size of the House to mitigate gerrymandering and the obvious issues with the Electoral College?

The Electoral College takes an amendment, I'm pretty sure, and I think House size is a full Code change, so the Senate has to pass it too.

But the real reason ranges from Democrats really believing they can win those seats anyway, to the actual building not being big enough.

But I'd be happy to be wrong, a bigger house would go a long way.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Blind Rasputin posted:

Is there a way of making it so this thread only contains relevant news posts and not like, pages upon pages of digressions about sandwich preferences and pineapple on pizza? I am not a D&D poster, but I enjoy the way you guys all us this thread to post relevant news.. just sometimes it’s 800 posts of nonsense.

We'll probably be smacking people for petty bullshit derails but there's also a number of on-topic threads you could visit, several of which are getting refreshed.

No more dentistry chat! :argh:

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


teen witch posted:

Q: Will there be a separate Trump thread? Or are we back to days of yore with one hellthread?

hell is empty and all the devils are here.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



Blind Rasputin posted:

Is there a way of making it so this thread only contains relevant news posts and not like, pages upon pages of digressions about sandwich preferences and pineapple on pizza? I am not a D&D poster, but I enjoy the way you guys all us this thread to post relevant news.. just sometimes it’s 800 posts of nonsense.

reposting this, i'm sorry I forgot which cool person made it

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Asema
Oct 2, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The Dems are going to take all the wrong messages from last night and double down and push a wet fart out in 2020 and my national nightmare is going to loving continue.

I wish there was an outside chance that ol' Nancy wouldn't be the speaker but lmao

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