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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Wasn't sure whether to put this here or in games but figured it fit here better. I couldn't find a thread dedicated to these types of games and wondered if people still really play them

I know a lot of us play video games to simulate sports but when I was growing up we used to play sports games with dice and cards. Stuff like Strat-O-Matic, Statis Pro and APBA used to do all this stuff before computers took it all over. I recently stumbled across an old football board game I had called Paydirt! that me and my friends used to play to death. You could finish a game in about in hour and each team had it's own chart based on thier strengths and weaknesses so, say, the 86 Bears or the 78 Steelers would just crush on defense while the 84 Dolphins and 81 49ers could really move the ball on offense.

I found an updated version of this game made by a computer dude that really took the math and probabilities to a new level so I checked it out. Felt like a mid life crisis decision.

A few of my other favorites were Start-O-Matic Baseball and Basketball, a baseball game called Pursue the Pennant that used three d10 to calculate results based on players batting, fielding and pitching averages that was damned near perfect and a game called Statis Pro Football that cards for every NFL player and was the only football board game I ever found that actually rated offensive linemen and made them a big part of the game.

These games were basically RPG's for nerds who were into sports but who weren't jocks or athletes and functioned in a lot ways like D&D and stuff like that. You got to roll dice and hit home runs or throw passes! I know they have sort of a cult following now but I wondered if there were things like Strat-O-Matic goon leagues or anything or if anyone was interested in the topic.

So that's my OP

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Most of these types of games have been taken over by computer versions but I still like the visceral feel of the dice and cards. Video games are fun but prone to exploits and super dependent on reflexes, money plays and exploits. I like that the chart and dice game boil everything to strategy (and some luck).

Hard to find players though. Thin.king about trying a meetup group

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Sep 26, 2007

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Slothass posted:

Where is a good place to find these baseball board games? I want to get one for my father in law for Christmas but never know which sites are legit or not.

Board Game Geek has reputable links. Strat-o-Matic.com, Data Driven Football, APBA are all legit. Amazon of course. Some game stores and even places like Target and WalMArt carry some of them

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Twin Cinema posted:

Does anyone know where to buy Strat-O-Matic in Canada? It looks like I can't ship it to Canada on Amazon, but I can on the Strat-O-Matic website. I am just wondering if there's a place in Canada, just to save on the shipping cost.

Also, I am a bigger fan of hockey, but it looks like the baseball version is probably a better board game. Is this true?

Strat-O-Matic Basketball is my favorite of all games. The hockey is surprisingly good and similar to the basketball game. The baseball is good too and somewhat of a staple but Pursue the Pennant is better. No idea about the Canada availability but there's a lot of used games like this on ebay.

try boardgame geek too

Hobby stores and even sometimes Target or Walmart has these games

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HootTheOwl posted:

So I think I only played it once but my dad had a baseball game that had a lot of cards and a pachinco like set up? I can barely remember it...

Was it this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydyIp7HtqLg

I think I know what you're talking about but the one I posted isn't what I remember

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I've been messing around with the solitaire system in Data Driven Football and really can't recommend it enough to football fans.

It's pretty easy to pick up and has advanced rules once you get past the basic game if you feel like getting complicated. It strikes a strong balance between luck and strategy and, while amazingly realistic, has enough variation for some wild outliers as well. A game takes about an hour and every one feels different. Teams reflect real life strengths and weaknesses but no matter what teams are playing, you always feel like you have a fighting chance ( I haven't tried Cleveland yet though).

Everything is based on probabilities and actual outcomes throughout an entire regular season, all weighted versus formations, chance and likelihood of results. The guy maps every actual play from a season and assigns the yardages to various plays, sets and dice numbers.


http://www.datadrivenfootball.com/

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