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This is a thread to talk about the obnoxious car and track activity, drifting. Don’t do this on the streets, its dumb and dangerous. Drifting is good and fun  click for webm Look at these guys having fun  I get it is not everyones thing, and im not a fan of the direction some people are taking it. But theres something about doing all the things you are taught not to do on a track, I always tell people its like getting into a fight with the car and winning. Its known to have originated in Japan, but that pisses the snow loving volvos off. Japan is where it really took off, thanks to the illegal touge runs and and the DK himself, Keiichi Tsuchiya . This video also does a good job of explaining the different ways of entering a drift, and he has plenty of other "instructional" videos like The Drift Bible. Like most things everyone has their own opinion, but two weeks in japan at drift heaven left “you drift into the corner, and powerslide out” ingrained on me. Ultimately, who cares. Get sideways and have fun.  These days, drifting has some of the most mental cars that started life as production models. Formula Drift in the USA has 1000hp mustangs, bmw’s, silvias and gt86’s. Even a loving Ferrari now. Compare that to Formula Drift Japan, where kids are entering with their SR powered cars and doing well in competition. Basically anything goes, which is why im in love with it.  Drift cars come in all shapes and sizes, but at the bare minimum if you want to get sideways you will want; A RWD car (preferably FR but hey drifting FWD’s with PVC on the rear tyres is a thing now so get at it in your 360 modena) LSD/Locked or welded diff A seat and harness because you will get thrown around Some basic coils/suspension See this? This is a drift car, stock apart from the items listed above  Add other stuff as required to make you happy/hit a power goal/whatever. You will break stuff, and I believe that the less car you have the more you will learn. I personally stick to S chassis nissans as parts are plentiful, and if you have a shell you can build a car from aftermarket parts. I am building a new practice car (very slowly as of late) thats an S13 Silvia. Budget was <$5k and im on target including wheels and tyres, which were going to be a separate purchase so it can be done pretty cheap. Theres probably places local to everyone these days that will let you go and either jump in as a passenger, or run trial days where they provide the car and some instruction. Almost every single person I know who has gone to one is hooked. Drift Heaven  I have mentioned this place before, if you want to get in deep (or just want car action) I cannot recommend it enough. Also known as Ebisu Circuit, it is home to a bunch of tracks owned by a family of car nuts. And a zoo but different story Originally they were dirt tracks for rally practice but one of the sons started paving them because drift. Access to the complex generally gives you access to the tracks and skids pans for a day. Unless an event is on, you setup where you want and get at it. This place is extra special thanks to PowerVehicles and Agent K’s, the two workshops on-site. PV buy all kinds of cars to store, fix and sell to people who want drift cars. (Theres something like 2000 cars stored there) You can purchase a car from them, they will make sure it is in running order, and then provide a parts/mechanic service for your stay. This is what I did, if I ever go back to Japan its most probably to move and live the skid car dream. The owner of Power Vehicles is Andy Gray, who knows a thing or two about car control - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJDKEhck22U I spent two weeks there last year on a whim after some life changes. The horrid looking 180sx above was my car. I did fix it up a little incase I wanted to sell it (I did), theres some pictures below. One of the guys who came made a video of our trip there and its on the tube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l9BHcqR5Qw Ill post about the different tracks and my experience later, but Alexi has a good video of each, and is a wizard behind the wheel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elNHyORnzjw What else do people want to know? Ill write some posts about missiles, the different competitions and changes to drifting they brought about, why touges course scare the gently caress out of me, how many cars I have broken, specific cars and things to be aware of and talk about some of the people who have forgotten more about it than I will ever learn. I don’t see many people talking about it so let me know what you want or tell me where im wrong.   
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Aw yes, now we got a thread for the best poo poo. Just in time... this video came out a few hours ago and is pretty sick. Fast forward to like 10:15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVJ9iCqTvP0
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How is it scored? I have to admit I've avoided it like the plague, but I could see how it'd be fun if you were driving.
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Where do I go to drift my stock P71? I have no idea if it's got a LSD and it's a slushbox, that's fine, right?
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Drift Battles Yes, they call them battles. Most competitions use the same format, though there are some minor tweaks depending on who runs it/the level of driver but its all pretty similar. Judging is done by a panel of 3 judges. The basic setup is a knock out style tournament, you are paired up with another driver for a "battle" till one is left. Each competition will use a specific section of a track. Heres the map for Long Beach FD in 2017 - refer back to this after.  Pro level involves 3 qualifying runs, followed by a string of battles. Each battle consists of a lead run and a chase run. On your lead run, you are judged by the metrics shown on the map. Line, Angle for the sections and Flow or Style overall. Each run is judged to 100 points (very relevant in qualifying) but less so in battles. They are also looking to make sure you are not slowing down outside of the deccel zones, poo poo gets wrecked when people do (normally by mistake) but some drivers are known for pushing it to throw their chaser off. As the chase driver, your job is to mimic the lead driver as much as possible, with as much proximity as possible. This is why the accel/deccel zones are important. This is kind of where the 100 point systems goes out the window. As each driver has a lead and a chase run, the leads are compared, and the chases compared to decide who did better. You can have a perfect lead run, and lose because you didnt mimic or have an "active chase" (actively trying to keep proximity vs play it safe) On chase i you must commit to the follow, even if the other driver is going off line. When all is said and done the three judges will decide a winner, or if they cant, a one more time. Basically a redo. I have seen 4-5 omt's at pro-level for a single battle before a winner is chosen. Thats how it has always been run iirc, and the current way Formula Drift operates. D1GP and D1 Street Legal used the same back in the day, but now they have some fancy sensor based scoring with no judges, lots of people hate it because you cant get feedback on where you went wrong. There are some localised comps for people that dont have you do tandem battles, just a lead run on your own.
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Fender Anarchist posted:Where do I go to drift my stock P71? I have no idea if it's got a LSD and it's a slushbox, that's fine, right? i know a guy who does in an automatic au falcon so you will be fine 
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Chelsea DeNofa goes through some of the events battle by battle and explains scoring / technique throughout Here is the one of the Long Beach track mentioned above https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjbdheIZkfo If anyone is interested in how scoring and judging works... that is a great video to look at, even just the first 10 minutes for an idea. BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Drifting is something I am massively interested in but have no skills or talent so I am just a spectator.
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Drifting is something you do on the way home from the pub when it’s wet.
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cheers mk4 other good stuff to watch is; Chelsea has a heap of good videos to watch, hes chill and knows his poo poo about setting a car up - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=user?ienjoydrifting Noriyaro/Alexi is an Aussie living in Japan, he goes to some of the weirder japanese car things but all his stuff is good - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=user?noriyaro Sean Alessi appears with some quality drifting stuff every now and again, heaps of normal racing as well - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=user?samediaworks1 Hoonigan has some stuff every now and again, its hoonigan tho Adam LZ (from MK4's video above) has a huge amount of stuff but i cant handle listening to him Option still post the D1GP videos, amongst other random stuff like gtr engined hiaces - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=channel?UCryItMG5CX-iF_7OzRTn9SA?featured Network A has Formula Drift (mainly USA now) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=user?NetworkA Rhyno posted:Drifting is something I am massively interested in but have no skills or talent so I am just a spectator. hell same, if you can do a burnout you can slide around some corners friend
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Drifting is cool I have a pal who does it in an NB MX-5 It seems incredibly harsh on the car tho, way moreso than normal trackday stuff. One thing I've noticed is that so many drift guys always used to be into BMX or skateboarding. I kinda see drifting as the automotive equivalent. Its cool but its something I've not been interested in doing myself. I am kinda salty about drift tax on certain cars tho.........
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That follows what I have seen. Semi-famous Drifter/Youtube Douche Adam LZ was an accomplished BMXer before breaking into drifting.
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Fender Anarchist posted:Where do I go to drift my stock P71? I have no idea if it's got a LSD and it's a slushbox, that's fine, right? Cleetus McFarland managed it before they swapped in the Mustang R 4.6 and manual trans. Makes clutch kicks a bit harder, though, and CVs hav e a*lot* of weight to throw around. Also, 17 feet long. I'd like to find a big empty parking lot to play with mine, (I do have the LSD and the "performance" rear axle gear) but I like my tires and wallet. Though I do have the 16" steelies that came on it...
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track day bro! posted:Drifting is cool I have a pal who does it in an NB MX-5 mx-5 drift cars are rad, i always see a few out at every session i go to also this is for you, they make it seem infinitely easier than what it actually is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUOHK525EEs
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I've always enjoyed watching drifting but am largely terrible at it. A friend has been working on what started as a cart track and is slowly moving towards full track on weekends. He has open lapping every other weekend with drifters being the majority of those running. Some decent drives in the area and I've managed a few extended slides but nothing I'd call a drift yet. I need to get another set of tires for when I'm done lapping/testing and want to slide around. I think next time I'll dedicate one session to just seeing if I can do a loop of the circle...I'm sure that'll take me all day.
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Apparently my build thread got archived because I haven't updated it in forever. This seems like a good place to update people that my long term drift build project moved under its own power for the first time two weeks ago. Very exciting moment for me.  Still have to figure out how I'm going to lock the rear diff and finish installing the gauge cluster, but after that it's ready for the first track day.
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SquirrelGrip posted:mx-5 drift cars are rad, i always see a few out at every session i go to His was a turbo but then he blew that motor and went back to an na motor. Drifting the mr2 is hard, you have to be so fast with the correction because of the pendulum effect. Doesn't stop these Japanese guys doing it tho! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZk7rlW0Q3M I've bought suspension bits off them and they sent me a sticker and a DVD full of footage. The japanese grassroots stuff is interesting because of that kinda poo poo, the fact there's a whole team of people just drifting mr2's is cool.
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Nov 9, 2018 22:37
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I've never drifted myself but I like watching drift videos on youtube. I know Alexi/noriyaro was mentioned earlier but I've always loved this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orOZD7Wl26o
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On the 86 train, I always loved videos by this dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVe8PnXSeYM He is like 100% commitment to everything, it is great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLoeSdURt_k
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NitroSpazzz posted:
i want a backyard track, tell your friend I’m extremely jealous. Definitely give it a go, it will be easier than you think and that looks like a perfect spot to go hash it out. BoostCreep posted:Apparently my build thread got archived because I haven't updated it in forever. This seems like a good place to update people that my long term drift build project moved under its own power for the first time two weeks ago. Very exciting moment for me. Congrats, mine has languished for a few months due to distractions so I did this partly as motivation to finish mine. I can’t remember seeing it before, got more pics to share? 1J or 1UZ? What diff is in the car now? There’s some cheap Toyota lsd’s out there, and some not so cheap centres you can buy.
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mariooncrack posted:I've never drifted myself but I like watching drift videos on youtube. I know Alexi/noriyaro was mentioned earlier but I've always loved this video: Oh poo poo this reminded me, matsuri is on at Ebisu circuit this weekend. I know a lot of the big youtubers are there, along with some other people who make videos but are more focused on driving or cars so there will be plenty of stuff coming out. Keep an eye out for a big white crown, dudes a local, and makes videos with ff battle music dubbed over. What is matsuri? It means “local festival” in japan, and has been adopted to drift matsuri here in Australia and other places to basically mean drift festival. Most of the time it means the track or tracks are open all weekend, including nights with no real timetable set out. I’ll add some pictures when I’m not on my phone but ebisu matsuri is known for its massive drift trains (10 cars plus door to door on nishi short), all the track being open for drifting including higashi which is 4th gear drifting everywhere, and old Japanese pro drivers or legends turning up to north course and schooling everyone on how to drive. Sadly in the lead up this year someone rolled their car on north course and probably won’t walk again, which is the harsh reality of the place. When you replicate mountain roads, cliffs trees and all it gets dangerous real quick which is why I say keep it off the streets please.
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BlackMK4 posted:On the 86 train, I always loved videos by this dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVe8PnXSeYM Kaicho is a madman and runningfree has been his gig for a bit now, you can see that he loves those cars and what he does. The makeshift sticker above his rear view mirror is a good indicator of how he approaches everything.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuJDhFRDx9M So many posts and not one post of this? For shame. Also, specifically on the hoonigan stuff, a focus on the unprofessionals series and hert's buildup on his FC along with the various bash bangers gets you 90% of their good drift stuff. And its fairly enjoyable, at least to me.
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I've been meaning to start, and I'm in SoCal so probably easier than a lot of places, but what the hell is the trick to tires? I've heard everything from used tires to the cheapest Chinese new stuff you can fine, but a lot of people seem to run decent performance tires which seems crazy to me, especially on a lower HP car.
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SquirrelGrip posted:I can’t remember seeing it before, got more pics to share? 1J or 1UZ? Wrar posted:BoostCreep is mostly through an LS swap. I know this because I watch his videos Yep, I just finished up an LS swap. It took a lot longer than I anticipated, but I've been teaching myself as I go and filming everything for my YouTube channel, so things take longer than I want. Here's a slightly older pic of the engine bay:  I'll save everyone from picture spam in this thread, but you can see the build progress at my youtube channel if you want. The earlier stuff is a bit cringy for me to watch now, but at least it's all documented. http://www.youtube.com/fullyspooled I had the engine and Tremec Magnum transmission sitting in my garage already along with pretty much all the parts I needed to get it running in a car, so I just needed to find a cheap chassis. This running SC400 was $500, so I sold the 1uz for $500 and had a free car. The diff is the stock 3.92 SC400 open diff. Weir Performance has been testing a full spool for that diff, which would be an ideal path over welding (and the name fits well with my Youtube branding). But they've had it in testing phase for well over a year at this point. I will eventually change to the SC300 diff which has a 4.27 ratio, so I might just weld the stock diff for now and switch to the spool for an SC300 diff once it comes out. the poi posted:I've been meaning to start, and I'm in SoCal so probably easier than a lot of places, but what the hell is the trick to tires? I've heard everything from used tires to the cheapest Chinese new stuff you can fine, but a lot of people seem to run decent performance tires which seems crazy to me, especially on a lower HP car. I'm in LA and I'm aiming to hit up the balcony at Willow Springs before the end of the year, so if anyone from SoCal or nearby wants to go we can make a day of it.
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BoostCreep posted:
Im down. My current car stable is a Model 3 PD and a S2000 on RE71Rs without a handbrake so unless I scrounge up some lovely tires to put on the Honda I'll probably just be spectating, but I would like to figure out what I'm getting into!
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Matsuri train https://www.facebook.com/powervehicles/videos/336078350516040/
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go watch the powervehicles Facebook and insta for proof that jzx is life
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noriyaro has been in poland and was given a r33 skyline to use for a drift session, the 86 sounds rad and the track looks a lot of fun, especially the last section https://youtu.be/z3M-HZkjjPs that skyline was pretty stock but he still made it work, really goes to show you don’t need much car to have fun
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BoostCreep posted:Apparently my build thread got archived because I haven't updated it in forever. This seems like a good place to update people that my long term drift build project moved under its own power for the first time two weeks ago. Very exciting moment for me. Holy poo poo, I’ve watched some of your videos, I think. LSx transplant, right? If so, I remember shouting at the screen for you to get power tools/a drill-driver. Edit: yep, that’s you. Also cringed at you scraping grease off with a screwdriver, rather than scrubbing with a brush or power washer. Then I remembered that you were actually doing something while I was sitting on my rear end watching videos... Darchangel fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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QR Matsuri via the hoonigan lads - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGvcCxHO4vk i was there for day two, snaked a few runs in this thing  s13 silvia cut into a ute, with a r34 front end the other car he built is a s14 with a wrx front end and an ls, sadly it went bang first run on day two
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Darchangel posted:Holy poo poo, I’ve watched some of your videos, I think. LSx transplant, right? If so, I remember shouting at the screen for you to get power tools/a drill-driver. Your threshold for things that are cringeworthy is much different than mine. I just couldn't blast 25 years worth of engine oil and grease all over the driveway of my rented house in the middle of Los Angeles. I tried using brushes and it would have taken far longer to remove caked and baked oils and grease than scraping it off. But hey, that was 2 years ago. The car runs and moves now. So, progress - even with my horrible hand tools. 
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BoostCreep posted:Your threshold for things that are cringeworthy is much different than mine. I just couldn't blast 25 years worth of engine oil and grease all over the driveway of my rented house in the middle of Los Angeles. I tried using brushes and it would have taken far longer to remove caked and baked oils and grease than scraping it off. Plastic/nylon scrapers and tools, my friend. I don't begrudge you scraping it off, so much as using screwdrivers to do it. Even a metal putty knife would have been better. That said, I've definitely used screwdrivers to scrape gunk off of stuff I knew the paint was done for on, but I generally prefer a wider more flexible blade. On the power tools thing, I just got tired of using hand tools on small multiple fasteners long ago. An 18V drill driver and 1/4" hex drive impact have been very handy friends of mine. My Ryobis (cheap) have stood up well. Again, you're actually getting stuff done, so more power to you! My RX-7 is sitting in the driveway with a completely naked front chassis, and has been for a couple of months. I certainly don't want to discourage you from banging on. It wasn't something worth leaving a YT comment about - I was suitably entertained. Just a bit more shoot-the-poo poo informat setting here in AI. Just poking at you a bit. I've enjoyed the videos.edit: I need to catch up on those videos, too. The last one I watched was literally you still cleaning, and removing the bulk of the dash.
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Ok anti archives post but poo poo all is happening unless you want to fawn over YouTube stars Ebisu/PV have new rules for 2019, all cars must have a full cage. Someone rolled their car there recently and is now paralysed, so I’m not surprised to see this change. All it means is the price of entry is higher, I personally wouldn’t be going hard there without a cage around me Speaking of, my cageless (hah) car is almost done? Need to slap some cooler piping in, stick injectors in and plug an ecu in and it’s good to tune.
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I meant to share this earlier, and seeing this thread bumped reminded me. New rules for Formula Drift 2019 are interesting (in red): It'll be interesting to see how that works out with the old (but current) transmission rules:  So it would take a LOT of engineering to make all that work. But there is at least one EV car with a 3 speed manual transmission. (I tried pasting these links in-line, but SA's stupid video parsing won't let me.) Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvm-Tku5Cac EV being shifted manually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ0CU0-PzQc
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SquirrelGrip posted:Ok anti archives post but poo poo all is happening unless you want to fawn over YouTube stars gently caress, the Aussie dude? Did they get him back to AU?
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SquirrelGrip posted:yeah he’s back now, he had no travel insurance so he was stuck with bills Don't do dangerous poo poo in a foreign country without travel insurance? Sucks but it was like $100aud for me to get back country rescue cover for a whole month. Guy is a fuckin idiot imo.
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