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Elfgames: Sep 11, 2011; Fun Shoe

wdarkk posted:

Is there a more dumbass ripoff of Pokemon than Beyblade, the top-fighting anime/game?

When I say "top" I mean the spinning thing.

mh bakugan or battle B daman

# ? Mar 5, 2019 11:48

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 02:36

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Yeah, there's basically no bottom to the ridiculousness of the gimmick toys that early 00s anime would try to advertise to children.

Back to something more on topic, just came to mind that the Pokemon designs, from what we've seen, actually do look a fair bit like they used real-life animals as references, trying to meet the cartoon designs halfway at a point that works. Pikachu is furry like a rodent, Charizard is pot-bellied and a wrinkly like a large lizard, Snorlax is as fuzzy as you'd expect a fat bear to be. The more... abstract designs are where things, by necessity, get weird.

Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Mar 5, 2019

# ? Mar 5, 2019 14:03

Calaveron: Aug 7, 2006

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Yeah, there's basically no bottom to the ridiculousness of the gimmick toys that early 00s anime would try to advertise to children.

Back to something more on topic, just came to mind that the Pokemon designs, from what we've seen, actually do look a fair bit like they used real-life animals as references, trying to meet the cartoon designs halfway at a point that works. Pikachu is furry like a rodent, Charizard is pot-bellied and a wrinkly like a large lizard, Snorlax is as fuzzy as you'd expect a fat bear to be. The more... abstract designs are where things, by necessity, get weird.

I thought ludiculo would be scaly like a pineapple but apparently he's fuzzy

# ? Mar 5, 2019 16:23

Mameluke: Aug 2, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

Ludicolo is great because he has stringy, leathery old sexpat hair

# ? Mar 5, 2019 16:34

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

Calaveron posted:

I thought ludiculo would be scaly like a pineapple but apparently he's fuzzy

He's a colocynth, not a pineapple.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Mar 5, 2019

# ? Mar 5, 2019 17:04

Elfgames: Sep 11, 2011; Fun Shoe

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Yeah, there's basically no bottom to the ridiculousness of the gimmick toys that early 00s anime would try to advertise to children.

Back to something more on topic, just came to mind that the Pokemon designs, from what we've seen, actually do look a fair bit like they used real-life animals as references, trying to meet the cartoon designs halfway at a point that works. Pikachu is furry like a rodent, Charizard is pot-bellied and a wrinkly like a large lizard, Snorlax is as fuzzy as you'd expect a fat bear to be. The more... abstract designs are where things, by necessity, get weird.

everything is just a bit too fluffy imo like i guess i always imagined pikachu having short fur

# ? Mar 6, 2019 10:24

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

Elfgames posted:

everything is just a bit too fluffy imo like i guess i always imagined pikachu having short fur

I always imagined it like - you know how a rat has no fur on the feet and very thin on the ears? Like that for Pikachu. Whereas the movie's one is just full consistent fluff all over.

Or other ones that never looked furry but would be (like jigglypuff) as having the smooth hair you get on things like a horse rather than being fluffy.

But everyone had different images of these things in their head. The fact that they've gotten something that most people generally agree is watchable is a miracle in itself.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 10:30

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Jigglypuff has a hairstyle that makes it look like a lounge singer, which is entirely fitting given the noir aesthetic. Or something along those lines.

Might be going more along the lines of a rabbit or cat for Pikachu, would love to see the design documents. I bet, given the designer got famous for disturbingly realistic Pokemon designs, they took those and dialed them back to meet the basic design, keeping the concept and silhouette while adding enough to look more like a real animal. I do wonder what Mewtwo's gonna look like up close.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 11:30

Macaluso: Sep 23, 2005; I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Elfgames posted:

everything is just a bit too fluffy imo like i guess i always imagined pikachu having short fur

I'll accept things being a bit too furry because they at least stuck to the correct designs of the Pokemon, instead of doing whatever the Sonic movie abomination is doing.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:11

wdarkk: Oct 26, 2007; Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

Trading cards give you a close-up of Mewtwo, who looks appropriately wonky.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 17:16

Calibanibal: Aug 25, 2015

the design aesthetic behind mew/mewtwo is that they look like a 'universal' embryo, and yeah judging from the card they gave him creepy thin, hairless skin

# ? Mar 6, 2019 17:30

Macaluso: Sep 23, 2005; I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Calibanibal posted:

the design aesthetic behind mew/mewtwo is that they look like a 'universal' embryo, and yeah judging from the card they gave him creepy thin, hairless skin

I don't think Mewtwo has hair/fur in the first place?

# ? Mar 6, 2019 17:49

Calaveron: Aug 7, 2006

Mew is the embryo, mewtwo is Giygas

# ? Mar 6, 2019 17:55

Calibanibal: Aug 25, 2015

Macaluso posted:

I don't think Mewtwo has hair/fur in the first place?

That's what I said

# ? Mar 6, 2019 18:04

Detective No. 27: Jun 7, 2006

Calaveron posted:

Mew is the embryo, mewtwo is Giygas

It's actually called Blaine's Monster.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 18:55

Silver2195: Apr 4, 2012

Detective No. 27 posted:

It's actually called Blaine's Monster.

Did Blaine have any role in Mewtwo's creation in any continuity other than Special/Adventures? In the games it's implied, but not stated, that Dr./Mr. Fuji was Mewtwo's creator, and in the anime he was explicitly created by Fuji under duress from Team Rocket.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 00:53

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Silver2195 posted:

Did Blaine have any role in Mewtwo's creation in any continuity other than Special/Adventures? In the games it's implied, but not stated, that Dr./Mr. Fuji was Mewtwo's creator, and in the anime he was explicitly created by Fuji under duress from Team Rocket.

Yeah, I think that's probably exclusive to a couple of the manga adaptations, which often take heavy liberties like turning the Gym Leaders into full on villains. Funnily enough I think one of them also had Mewtwo made partly with human DNA, which actually might explain a lot.

I was half expecting Mewtwo to look a bit like a hairless cat, but I think he's had about DBZ comparisons with Freiza back in the day without also being Beerus.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 04:03

Elfgames: Sep 11, 2011; Fun Shoe

In the manga yeah mewtwo was made by splicing blane's DNA into mew genes.

i think in the games it's implied that blane worked with fuji on the project but i'm not sure

# ? Mar 7, 2019 07:09

Zore: Sep 21, 2010; willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d�etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Elfgames posted:

In the manga yeah mewtwo was made by splicing blane's DNA into mew genes.

i think in the games it's implied that blane worked with fuji on the project but i'm not sure

There's literally nothing tying Blaine to Mewtwo in the games beyond the journal entries documenting Mew giving birth being in Cinnabar mansion.

Hell in the game's account Mewtwo isn't even a hosed up science experiment. Its literally just something explorers in South America stumbled upon when they found a pregnant Mew and saw it give birth

# ? Mar 7, 2019 07:18

Macaluso: Sep 23, 2005; I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Zore posted:

There's literally nothing tying Blaine to Mewtwo in the games beyond the journal entries documenting Mew giving birth being in Cinnabar mansion.

Hell in the game's account Mewtwo isn't even a hosed up science experiment. Its literally just something explorers in South America stumbled upon when they found a pregnant Mew and saw it give birth

That sounds like a detail they have since retconned. Do the Lets Go versions Red and Blue mention the pregnant Mew thing? I don't remember, but I do remember the basement of the mansion in Lets Go had a big like... cylinder containment chamber, presumably for Mewtwo while hew as being created.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 07:23

Zore: Sep 21, 2010; willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d�etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Macaluso posted:

That sounds like a detail they have since retconned. Do the Lets Go versions Red and Blue mention the pregnant Mew thing? I don't remember, but I do remember the basement of the mansion in Lets Go had a big like... cylinder containment chamber, presumably for Mewtwo while hew as being created.

Yeah they kept the same diary entries. The implication now being they didn't just observe it give birth but experimented on Mew to produce Mewtwo and then it broke out.

These are the diary entries you find in Red/Blue, FireRed/LeafGreen and Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee

Diary: July 5

Guyana, South America
A new Pokémon was discovered deep in the jungle.

Diary: July 10

We christened the newly discovered Pokémon, Mew.

Diary: Feb. 6

Mew gave birth.
We named the newborn Mewtwo.

Diary: Sept. 1

MEWTWO is far too powerful.
We have failed to curb its vicious
tendencies…

# ? Mar 7, 2019 07:38

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Hard to say how much they might be speaking figuratively or just not bothering to change it. You don't see references to real life locations in any of the games past gen 1.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 08:19

Elfgames: Sep 11, 2011; Fun Shoe

Zore posted:

Yeah they kept the same diary entries. The implication now being they didn't just observe it give birth but experimented on Mew to produce Mewtwo and then it broke out.

These are the diary entries you find in Red/Blue, FireRed/LeafGreen and Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee

Diary: July 5

Guyana, South America
A new Pokémon was discovered deep in the jungle.

Diary: July 10

We christened the newly discovered Pokémon, Mew.

Diary: Feb. 6

Mew gave birth.
We named the newborn Mewtwo.

Diary: Sept. 1

MEWTWO is far too powerful.
We have failed to curb its vicious
tendencies…

it was always implied that mewtwo was an experiment (the building that clones pokemon from fossils is right next door) also most creatures don't give birth to new species

# ? Mar 7, 2019 08:20

Robot Style: Jul 5, 2009

There's also Mewtwo's Pokedex entry:

Pokemon Red & Blue posted:

It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 09:59

Vinylshadow: Mar 20, 2017

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Yeah, I think that's probably exclusive to a couple of the manga adaptations, which often take heavy liberties like turning the Gym Leaders into full on villains. Funnily enough I think one of them also had Mewtwo made partly with human DNA, which actually might explain a lot.

I was half expecting Mewtwo to look a bit like a hairless cat, but I think he's had about DBZ comparisons with Freiza back in the day without also being Beerus.

"Was the loving Frieza?!"

Elfgames posted:

In the manga yeah mewtwo was made by splicing blane's DNA into mew genes.

i think in the games it's implied that blane worked with fuji on the project but i'm not sure

There's a picture frame in Fuji's house and Blaine's gym that indicate they used to work together

# ? Mar 7, 2019 16:32

SirSamVimes: Jul 21, 2008; ~* Challenge *~

can't believe nobody has mentioned the joltik on the power lines or the golurk security guard.

I really like how they seem to be going through a lot of effort to portray what a world with Pokemon would actually look like.

# ? Mar 8, 2019 12:02

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Where's the Golurk?

That's the loving best Pokemon. An ancient golem super robot. It learns Fly!

# ? Mar 8, 2019 14:40

Macaluso: Sep 23, 2005; I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Where's the Golurk?

That's the loving best Pokemon. An ancient golem super robot. It learns Fly!

There's a few guarding the police station

# ? Mar 8, 2019 14:54

RatHat: Dec 31, 2007; A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

wdarkk posted:

Trading cards give you a close-up of Mewtwo, who looks appropriately wonky.

Oh my god Ditto will be in the movie. Also that Arcanine looks amazing.

# ? Mar 8, 2019 15:06

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Growlithe and Arcanine are basically the lion-dog guardian thingies from Buddhist temples, and generally portrayed as lovable super fluffy dogs.

# ? Mar 8, 2019 15:17

TwoPair: Mar 28, 2010; Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta; Grimey Drawer

SirSamVimes posted:

can't believe nobody has mentioned the joltik on the power lines or the golurk security guard.

I really like how they seem to be going through a lot of effort to portray what a world with Pokemon would actually look like.

It'd be real confusing/annoying when every few years you hear an announcement on the news like "oh Professor [Tree] of [new region] just found another hundred or so of these things, be sure to read up on them so you know which are cuddly and which ones to fear... or both"

# ? Mar 8, 2019 16:31

wdarkk: Oct 26, 2007; Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Growlithe and Arcanine are basically the lion-dog guardian thingies from Buddhist temples, and generally portrayed as lovable super fluffy dogs.

That are also super loving dangerous:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDtTavGlPy4&t=147s

Actually probably watch all of the Generations shorts.

# ? Mar 8, 2019 16:43

Calibanibal: Aug 25, 2015

Growlithe is a pig

# ? Mar 8, 2019 23:16

ungulateman: Apr 18, 2012; pretentious fuckwit who isn't half as literate or insightful or clever as he thinks he is

Calibanibal posted:

Growlithe is a pig

that's an uncalled for insult to tepig and spoink

growlithe's a cop

# ? Mar 9, 2019 01:14

Dark_Tzitzimine: Oct 9, 2012; by R. Guyovich

https://twitter.com/Legendary/status/1106310908349825024?s=19

# ? Mar 15, 2019 03:21

bobjr: Oct 16, 2012; Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

https://twitter.com/nineverything/status/1107682881772511232?s=21

# ? Mar 18, 2019 23:30

RatHat: Dec 31, 2007; A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

Those tests better be on the Bluray extras.

# ? Mar 18, 2019 23:40

MrFlibble: Nov 28, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Fallen Rib

RatHat posted:

Those tests better be on the Bluray extras.

This is no doubt advertising the fact that the scenes will be in the credits, on the blu ray extras and also in the special datectivito edition where they replace everyone BUT pikachus voice with him (Its ok though because theres a version where you can watch with him as pikachu as god intended).

# ? Mar 19, 2019 00:03