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YagotmeIdidit posted:How? How many acrobatic feats of mental gymnastics is required for that? I mean, I can see the pathway for gay neo-nazis to come into existence on 4chan but I can't wrap my head around gay fascists already existing beforehand. There's been a big ol' gay community within fascism since fascism first became a thing, it's a culty lil' boys club obsessed with aesthetics and manly might. Picture a Tom of Finland cop's boot stomping on a brown face forever. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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The Discourse might not be great on 4chan but it's not like non-anonymous posting hasn't been tried, if your internet handle can be verifiably connected to a discrete real person it just means the same weirdos are gonna show up at your house.RoboChrist 9000 posted:Derp, sorry. Getting over a cold and apparently my reading comprehension has gone to poo poo. In my defense, though, there is still the fact that accusations of sockpuppetry and that sort of insular thinking and paranoia is found all over the internet, especially in the earlier days of the net that 4chan harkens back to in some ways. Like, again, I think the anonymity might make things worse, but I really think that the anonymity of 4chan is towards the bottom of the lists of reasons why that place is what it is. any effort at moderating at all chases the nazis off, provided the mods aren't nazis themselves or running interference for the nazis in the interest of creating CNN-style "balance" between normal people and psychos who wanna scream about cucks and Jews all day. The whole idea that forums and social media should be an unregulated free-for-all, or at most moderated only to punish anyone who sounds Mad or said one of a short list of bad words, was mainly a weird 4chan thing until all the Web 2.0 places like Twitter started embracing it to cut overhead, and who woulda thought it turns out if you force your users to deal with total shitbirds any time they say anything and don't allow any vehicle for promptly removing them for being nuisances the shitbirds will just harass everyone else off the platform and take over. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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Xelkelvos posted:One of 4chan's major failings is the loose moderation in terms of that stuff and the Admin just letting it go unabated. This is true with Hiro and this was true with m00t. Beyond that, there's also a general lack of transparency in moderation that makes SA rather unique. If a post if hosed with or a user banned, everyone will know and can (nominally) see why and Mods and Janitors directly interacting with posters rather than acting as some sort of secret circlejerk further boosts that relationship. At it stands on 4chan. No one likes the mods and jannies. There's a general disdain for them and there's a corresponding disdain of the rabble by the mods. Take a complaint to the 4chan Mod irc, legitimate or not, and if they don't give a gently caress, they'll laugh you out. i mean that's just QCS. Moderation's never been awesome anywhere but if there's nobody at all around able and willing to shut someone up simply for being obnoxious and unpleasant for the rest of the community then the place is just gonna be de facto run by whoever's most willing to make it unpleasant for anyone who doesn't fall in line. 4chan and sites like it tried to compromise between pedophile nazis and people who don't want to have to be constantly slapfighting with pedophile nazis like these two groups are of equal merit, which kind of automatically cedes the field to the pedo nazis as the guys more repulsive to than repulsed by adult-sex-having non-racists. CJacobs posted:Having a username of some kind adds culpability to your actions. If I say something dumb, people can point at me from then on and go "hey, that's CJacobs, the user that said something dumb!" I could make another account and quote myself and say "hey, CJacobs isn't dumb and I agree with him!" but people would be able to discern that it's just me again from stuff like my new account's regdate. check out this guy who's literally never seen Twitter. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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CJacobs posted:I'm not talking about toxicity!!! Bot spotted. Back to Москва́ with you!
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arguetron is extremely effective, and everyone on Twitter immediately dismisses any dissent as fake news. The problem was never "anonymity", it's that this is a screaming match for morons who weren't looking to be persuaded.
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potentiallycool posted:Where does Something Sensitive fit in all of this cos I've never been able to figure that poo poo out. Lowtax's bitter exes.
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Kullik posted:Tumblr was so good for porn but its getting close to useless, the app wont even let you find content marked as NSFW but the mobile site is trash and wont load videos and stuff most of the time so you need to find content in the browser then follow the person who uploaded it, go to their profile in the app and then find that post by scrolling since you cant search. like what?
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And by "today's radical left", I mean Gloria Steinem
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Fabricated posted:I never believed in the idea of "containment boards". it's dumb Pewdiepie posted:What if I told you GBS was the containment board not FYAD. this is why
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Dongattack posted:The reason /pol/ doesn't work as a containment board is because pol posters don't get banned for polpostin outside of it. Containment boards like GBS, ADTRW, TCC, D&D and etc work cause the mods instantly poo poo on you if you start posting "WHERES THE BEST CRACK IN TENNESSEE PLEASE HOOK ME UP" in like the Witcher 3 thread or whatever. not really, no, they don't. They provide a safe harbor where certain kinds of terrible morons are encouraged to proliferate and then swamp the rest of the community with their bullshit, possibly minus a couple of specific no-no words they can't say off of their special forum. If somebody isn't chatting about his crack habit by page 8000 of the Witcher thread in Games it's definitely out of disinterest, not because the mods here care, but Reddit mods' reactions to outsiders getting off topic or starting fights tends towards berserk and it hasn't done a drat thing to stop places like r/thedonald from brigading the rest of the site until it all looks like r/thedonald. Even on the scale of individual threads - gamergate bullshit was verboten outside of Lowtax's pet megathread from the start, but as long as the GG thread was given a protected place in GBS every other discussion on the forums was constantly getting infested with insane weirdos really loving mad about Zoe Quinn or whatever, and they petered off rapidly after it got killed for good. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Nov 21, 2018 |
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:No, I mean, they have a point. 4chan has almost no censorship, and look how great that place turned out! Clearly letting Nazis voice their views, organize, and evangelize is the morally right choice because, in the end, they will simply be ignored and die out in the marketplace of ideas, just as they did at 4chan. Well lasseiz faire 4chan certainly turned out peachy from Rutibex's perspective yeah
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He didn't say it's okay, just made a bunch of posts sneering about how pathetic you are if you're not okay with it.
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thank you, keyboard-style word hero, for pointing out that posting a thread on Something Awful is not directly saving the world. The scales have fallen from my eyes, your efforts have succeeded, you can stop posting now.
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The intelligent man turns on his TV and sees a report on the war in Yemen. "There are not actually tiny men fighting and dying inside this box, it is an illusion. Some cannot accept this hard reality." he nods to himself. "It is pointless to waste time on discussing men fighting elsewhere, because war has not been solved". Going outside, he walks up to a crossing sign. "This doesn't actually make me stop when there's traffic, it's just a light", he beams to his imagined audience, and steps into the road.
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Growing their own pedophiles to catch would be an ingenious bit of job security
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When was doxxing not malicious? Helldump-style digging up somebody's furry inflation vore account under the same username for laughs ok maybe that's just a mean forums burn but turning up details of peoples' actual lives and contact information has always, always been understood to be exclusively for the purposes of harassing them, and banned everywhere else for that reason.Prav posted:the current vogue of doxxing always looked like a twitter thing to me whatever antisocial behavior 4chan may have originally popularized, that horse is definitely out of the barn and on literally every other social media platform now. It's still an effective place for alt-right trolls to coordinate efforts without worrying anyone's going to do anything to stop them and probably belongs shut down on those grounds, but its time as a big cultural driver has been and gone and everybody on 4chan is also using Twitter and Tumblr and whatever else interchangeably. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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There were definitely plenty of people who didn't deserve it getting poo poo on a decade ago but it was more... one or two people at a time every creep in the community would gangstalk at once? Versus now when it's more accepted that it's gonna happen to anyone who spends meaningful time online without locking their personal info down hard enough.
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Suzuran posted:Doxxing has been a regular thing since the 90s, you just didn't hear about it as much then. I was net.detective'd back in '98 for patching an exploit in a MUD, which nerfed the characters of those who had exploited it. Some clever monkey figured out where I worked and called my boss to report I had child porn on my work computer. When that didn't work out the way he wanted he started ddosing my employer, saying he would not stop until he saw an obituary in my local paper saying I committed suicide and left a note outing myself as a pedophile and a homosexual. Unfortunately for him all his traffic had a constant source port and came from the IP addresses of the college he attended, so our upstream ISP just blocked the traffic at their border while we contacted the college. No idea what happened to him after that but he wasn't heard from again. condolences but also lol
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Xelkelvos posted:There's always gonna be disaffected tech savy young men looking for a place to shitpost and belong. The type of people that populated 4chan a decade ago exist today. Same with the type of people that populated SA almost two decades ago. wow yeah when you put it that tech-savvy nerds these days only have t h e e n t i r e i n t e r n e t
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Forums ten years ago amounted to basically what a subreddit is now, the internet was a much smaller and more granular place with oldass 2000s servers that could get obliterated just from someone linking to a text webpage from Penny Arcade. You're handwaving to the need for a safe space for tech-savvy young men who can't do the kind of "shitposting and belonging" you want on platforms that will offer a niche to basically anything that's not a felony.
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Probably? But it's one kind of problem when the far right is off griping about the Jews in some little hole like Stormfront, and another level entirely when they're given free run of a relatively mainstream platform where they can recruit impressionable suckers due to the admins' wish to preserve the endangered American Nazi. Deplatforming works, and if they were pushed off to fascists-only spaces like Gab that payment processors won't even touch they'd be as good as finished. The right's biggest asset online is non-fascists in charge of public forums like Nishimura and Dorsey who invite the fash into their communities and deny the general userbase any means to get them back out. Normal people get sick of every conversation getting taken over by endless bad-faith arguments about the genetic inferiority of the negro and leave, the site dies eventually, but not before it spends a couple years as a mainstreamed indoctrination camp for dumbfuck kids late to the party who just wanted to look at anime porn or whatever. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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