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I claimed 3p because I am. That’s more tinfoil theories. Are you going to look at my play this game and reconcile being scum with hal and kB or not? And I thought you said clord was who you could see being scum. Where did that read go?
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Toalpaz posted:What's the town angle on claiming 3rd party? uuughhhhhhhh, this makes such good sense. Damnit!
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Dec 3, 2018 16:40
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Max posted:I claimed 3p because I am. ahhh, my mind put back at ease by reason
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Dec 3, 2018 16:40
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AA I claimed cop to you say 2, yes?
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Max posted:AA I claimed cop to you say 2, yes? Yeah he began day 2 with the claim. Paraphrased: Cops, I am also one. I didn't want you to kill me, but this is why I asked who you would investigated. ASF isn't scum.
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During thanksgiving he says(paraphrased): AA if you were a cop an investigation on sal wouldn't be a bad idea right hmmm i'm going to post I've indulged in spirits and need to engage to curb this boredom
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Dec 3, 2018 16:59
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It would have been a flawless crumb trail on his part. I mean it IS possible, but I believe he's been sincere.
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Dec 3, 2018 16:59
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A few choice Toal quotes about KB:Toalpaz posted:Yeah I don't have a firm grasp on when KB is acting scummy or not tbh so I'd have to trust other reads there. A lot of KB's posting is just Toalpaz posted:I said I found you hard to read cause I don't understand your posting on a meta level. So I don't have a solid read of you this game. If you don't like my comment about word games that's really outside the bounds of this game, and isn't necessarily connected to any one thing you wrote in this game. These are the two posts about KB you made. I see, mostly, waffling back and forth on how you have trouble reading KB here without ever committing to KB as someone you are suss on, a courtesy you only extended to him as you pressed other players for opinions and came up with cases on them. You did vote for KB, but only after an investigation was revealed.
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statements and votes that I find somewhat incomprehensible but end up being decently well reasoned later. (Because he likes playing word games and actually setting traps rather than playing the good town strat of just being honest.)
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Reasoning for this push: Either Toal is in extreme tinfoil land and I'm hoping they get back to looking at posting and not just thinking up ways people could possibly be scum. Or Toal is scum, saw me claim the cop, and now suddenly has a problem with me and wants me voted out, especially since I've clearly thrown in with town at this point and won't be helpful to the scum team anymore as an extra vote in end game.
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Dec 3, 2018 17:03
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Anyway, I think I'm going to ##vote Toal
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Dec 3, 2018 17:04
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What are other people's thoughts on this?
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What if masonry is actually scumdoc? It seems like a hell of a gambit.
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SalTheBard posted:What if masonry is actually scumdoc? Lmao no, but that would have been good.
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Yeah I guess, ask yourself if everything I've done this game is one big gambit for no reason whatsoever. ASF already claimed a one shot redirect, there was a scum godfather, and now a town visitor. In a game with enough bullshit to screw up an investigation, I would not need to be as paranoid as Toal is painting me, and I certainly wouldn't have pulled everything that I have to put the spotlight on myself constantly.
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Here is where I'm at with everyone: AA: I toyed with the idea that "Max 3p claimed and AA scum claimed and they came to an understanding", but Max was way too aggressive in pursuing scum for that to make any sense. b-minus1: Town result per max. chaoslord: I'm useless this game Max: I believe Max and think he is throwing his lot in with town. I had some ~game theory~ about voting him but imo it's not a worthwhile way to go. Nep-nep: Doc Sal: Vigged a scum, became a miller. Hawke: Told me he wasn't scum  Also caught a scum. Toal: Messenger that has been accounted for sending a message every night I believe. Was roleblocked on the night with no kills, but there was a doc protect that night too. Looking over things.... If there is only one scum left, I don't know who it could possibly be. If there are two scum left? At that point I'm in on Toal. The other half is interesting though. Has anyone else besides ASF and Toal been roleblocked this game? ASF claimed a failure N2 and then was responsible for Toal's failure. With as few VTs as there are I would expect more success out of a RB if it was an every night thing. If not, I wonder if it's a scum JOAT. Could it be a Sal gambit? Killing a teammate is always a risky proposition for scum but I can think of multiple games where scum did it and rode the credit for a long time, including to wins. IDK. Looking at the claims I am coming around on there being 2 scum left. I suspect if that is the case that I will be lunched after Toal and that is fine, I have been garbo we have a mislunch in our pocket. I guess the other possibility that jumps to my mind is dual godfathers and it's toal/b- but I doubt that one. Hm. Yep, that's all I got. Ok, back to work, I'll be tossing these ideas around in my head.
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Dec 3, 2018 18:56
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Asiina was roleblocked n1
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Dec 3, 2018 18:57
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Lol clord are you saying I'm scum and max is de facto scum by his wincon. So long as you acknowledge he is 3p this let's me know you are scum like I've suspected all along
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I got docced not roleblocked or jailed and both town and scum blocks are dead soooo. You played yourself ##vote clord He acknowledges max is 3p
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Lol clord are you saying I'm scum and max is de facto scum by his wincon. I think you misread my post, but that’s fine, I am going to be voted out either today or tomorrow and that’s ok, it’s not gonna hurt anything
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b-minus1 posted:Asiina was roleblocked n1 Thanks! Shoots Sal down, then.
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chaoslord posted:Thanks! Shoots Sal down, then. Yeah. I think me claiming the Hal kill should've done that but w/e
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Dec 3, 2018 19:22
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chaoslord posted:I think you misread my post, but that’s fine, I am going to be voted out either today or tomorrow and that’s ok, it’s not gonna hurt anything I did, my bad!
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##vote toal This is still the best, imo. Why would max come out as non-town to me not knowing anything about the cop economy in this game, AND also aggressively pursue scum...
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I dunno my guys, I'm just trying to understand the game. Clord is my best guess after Max. But like... Yeah. The case against Clord is that he's lurking low effort disheartened scum. I am a messenger, and have no other roles or alignment other than town. I couldn't have framed n3 and been rb by ASF confirmed town, I also don't think scum would be able to kill and message, I don't really know where to start but after Clord and the masonry are the least confirmed as town of all of us.
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Dec 3, 2018 20:55
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In a game where night actions are not making sense, maybe take a step back from them and look at posting?
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Why couldn't you have been framed and roleblocked?
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Oh no, I see, you couldn't have framed and roleblocked, now I get it.
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HmmmmmmmmmmToalpaz posted:Clord is my best guess after Max. But like... Yeah. Toalpaz posted:Clord is the only person that makes sense to me as scum this game at this point. The lack of cases and setup spec that's easyish to contribute, even if you're scum being cornered by town confirming itself. It's looking like there's two scum left and since CLord is only one poster it has me asking questions about who scum team is.
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This is a bad gambit for scum. I'm going to flip cop and then Toal is going to be in some poo poo unless they can successfully argue that I was lying about my results, or he'll shrug his shoulders and go "hmm, I guess something else caused the result to be wrong, oh well"
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Night actions aren't making sense and clord hasn't been playing very well and could very well be scum. Let's kill Max. I don't get it.
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I mostly voted cause AA voted me and it gave me the scarios considering how many times we've turbod peeps this game (2 right?),
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ok i've put off reading this thread all day. time to get caught up.
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Dec 3, 2018 22:29
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there is no way that we have 4 investigative roles in this setup without a scumcop or sanity fuckery.
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if you m’re Needs. DEsires, force you to play night Action Bingo you probably want to test that Chaoslord Claim. Hold it up to the camera for Applause; and receive jeers from all the girls. if you want to play some god-drat Mafia; ##vote Nep Np
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Though I'm in disagreement with his vote I think Hawke has the right of it in that with something fishy going on with the night actions we shouldn't be basing our voting decisions purely on night results, though they can provide some context. Right now looking at Max there's the claim of cop. So far that has lead to an ML, but that isn't particularly telling in any direction right now. Their argument with Toalpaz looks good, in general tells a consistent story and fairly dismisses possible theories against as tinfoil. It is possible Max is scum? Maybe, but right now I'd say it's not enough to vote for. Clord has been a bit more active today than I can remember previous days. In terms of his content, I don't get the insistence on why the scum team must be a certain size or why it is so hard to believe a scum messenger couldn't kill and message at the same time, in part because I was in a game where I think it was the case that such a thing could happen. I'm not certain if this is a "too informed" situation to defend a teammate or just being set on one's opinion. I do note that he acknowledges the possibility of Toal being scum if there is another scum team member. Toalpaz overall I feel has been kinda going for weird gambit theories: Day 2 Toalpaz posted:This is also ignoring the fact that clever and daring scum could have actually killed Flerp, and some other party killed Hal. Hal's death led to you opportunistically claiming to have killed Hal. You survive, and whoever kills Hal doesn't kill you yet because they're x-shot or 3rd party trying to blend in. I don't have much to add on this one since Toal describes it as a  theory on their own.Not a theory but also odd play from that day imo Toalpaz posted:Yeah I'm going to leave a vote on ##vote B- just for this cause it's annoying and if B- really is scum I'm not getting owned like this: This was in reference to b-minus openly stating "I'm scum" and then some stuff jumps out at me here from today Toalpaz posted:Imo, Max could be the framer. The cop claim was because scum team lost a few members early and needed safe claims, and they could pocket townies with 'results' on them. AA even floated the idea of 2 godfathers for balance so they could push B- or ASF in the future (maybe the Max floated the idea first in masonry/scumdoc, who knows). It was quite convenient at the time that everyone 'AA' or Max had copped was in the game and hadn't died yet, and claiming to have copped Reggae was safe scum result cause they would know (as scum) scum had also framed Reggae and correctly anticipated Hawke copping Reggae. So day 2 Toal establishes a foundation for why it could be worth pushing Sal late in the game, downplays it in the same post as a tinfoil theory, but then shades AA for doing something similar with the 2 godfathers idea to "push b- or asf." Ignoring the kinda hypocrisy there, I have a problem with this assertion- Max was the one who investigated b- and asf. Why bother coming up with this theory at all when the simpler thing to do would be to claim something like "n1 I investigated hal, but he died. N2 I investigated kb to see if hawke was playing us" and leave us in the dark about b-minus and asf? Then there would be no need to sell us on some 2 godfather idea to maybe get us to vote out players they're clearing? It's too complicated. In general I feel like a lot of Toal's arguments rely on proposing players acted in ways that are significantly more complicated than other choices they could have made without having a substantial increase in payoff. ##vote Toal
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##vote toalpaz
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Nep-Nep posted:Though I'm in disagreement with his vote I think Hawke has the right of it in that with something fishy going on with the night actions we shouldn't be basing our voting decisions purely on night results, though they can provide some context. that’s Too Many. words for someone to be wrong
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[b]##vote toal[/b[
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SHALASHASKA HAWKE posted:[b]##vote toal[/b[ do you want me to fix this for you hawke?
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Lol I'm at - 1 play the day out you silly billies. http://imgur.com/QlnGLke
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