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jimmydalad
Sep 26, 2013

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Jimmydalad Mafia

Greetings and salutations!

I welcome you to Jimmydalad Mafia, the mafia run by the one and only, Jimmydalad! I would insert flavour here, but my creative capacity ran out and I feel like trying to subject you all to my flavour posting would be an unjust horror. So instead, take this. Not like I'm gonna give you much else with flavour.

This is a game for 15 people. Pretty much everything from here is copy wholesale from other, smarter people since I like the rules that they have and I don't really see much else that needs adjusting.

Basic information

Days will be 48-72 hours in length. Nights will be 24 hours. These are flexible based on when I want to be up and doing things.
Weíll be using Discord and SA PM's to manage everything, so please make sure you have access to those for the game.
Alignment changes are not part of this game.

General Mafia Rules (That have been stolen from Yamifenrir who stole them from Natural 20 who stole them from Somberero)

1. Don't be poo poo to each other. This is a game, part of the game is having people react, but if you think youíre reacting badly, walk away, calm down, come back later.
2. I will be using a variant of Podís Anti-Lurker Rules V3.3 for this game:

quote:

If a player does not make 10 posts in a game day, they will be permanently ON NOTICE for the rest of the game.
If a player who is already ON NOTICE does not make 10 posts on any subsequent game day, they will be subject to a FREE LIGHTS-OUT EXECUTION the next day. Said execution will not end the day, and the playerís flip will not be posted until the end of the game day.
These rules will not come into effect if a majority day-ending vote happens more than 24 hours from the game dayís deadline, or the game day lasts less than 24 hours, or I otherwise deem it to be unfair to enforce said posting rules.
3. Don't edit your posts.
4. Don't talk after you're dead. I'll send you a PM to Observer chat if you want to chat poo poo.
5. Feel free to post after the hammer/during twilight about non-game stuff.
6. No replacements after D2.
7. Don't directly quote any communication from me, including your role pm. If you have OOT communication with another player, the rule still applies.
8. Don't fake day actions.
9. If you are affected by a Day Action, do not post under any circumstances until we post the result of the Action. Everyone else is good to keep going.

A note about result language

1. A result that successfully targets will yield the result. "You successfully x your target"
2. A result that does not successfully target will yield the result. "Your action fails."
3. If a player name is ever mentioned as part of a result, this is a mod error.
4. A "successful" target is defined as an ability resolving on someone. This does not have to be the intended target, so a redirected result will yield the same language as a result that has not been redirected.

Players:
  1. A Sometimes Food
  2. Anomalous Amalgam
  3. Asiina Natural 20
  4. b-minus1
  5. chaoslord
  6. flerp
  7. Hal Incandenza
  8. King Burgundy
  9. Max
  10. Nep-Nep
  11. REGGAE PARADE
  12. SalTheBard
  13. SHALASHASKA HAWKE
  14. SolusLunes
  15. Toalpaz


Replacements:
1.
2.

Observers:
1. Podima
2. Mr. Humalong
3. CapitalistPig
4. Monathin

Discord: https://discord.gg/5uKwP4K



Graveyard:

Day 1:
:rip: SolusLunes, Town-Aligned, Vanilla was lynched :rip:
Night 1:
:rip: Flerp, Town-Aligned, Even Cop was killed :rip:
:rip: Hal Incandenza, Scum-Aligned, Godfather was killed :rip:
Day 2:
No Lynch
Night 2:
:rip: Natural 20, Town-Aligned, Watcher was killed :rip:
Day 3:
:rip: King Burgundy, Scum-Aligned, Roleblocker was lynched :rip:
Night 3
No Kill
Day 4
:rip: REGGAE PARADE, Town-Aligned, Mandatory Visitor was lynched :rip:
Night 4
:rip: A Sometimes Food, Town-Aligned, Jack of All Trades was killed :rip:
Day 5
:rip: Toalpaz, Scum-Aligned, Ninja/Messenger was lynched :rip:
Night 5
:rip: SHALASHASKA HAWKE, Town-Aligned, Odd Cop was killed :rip:

jimmydalad fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Dec 5, 2018

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REGGAE PARADE posted:

Hello, I would like to try but I don't have PMs.

Hello there! Once we set up the discord, we can use the server for any communications :)

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Sep 26, 2013

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Nep-Nep posted:

If spot 15 is still open sure!

Spot 15 is indeed open!

Everyone please join the discord here: https://discord.gg/5uKwP4K

Role PMs will be going out soon!

Once the Role PMs have been sent and everyone has joined the discord, the game can begin!

jimmydalad fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Nov 22, 2018

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All PMs that can be sent via Something Awful PMs have been sent out.

REGGAE PARADE, I will send you your role PM once you join the discord. Just let me know what your username is :).

Once everyone has joined the discord, we can get this game going.

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Everyone has received their Role PMs! If you haven't joined the discord, please do so! The game won't start until all players are in the discord server.

Link to discord is here in case you need it again for some reason: https://discord.gg/5uKwP4K

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Sep 26, 2013

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As much fun as it is reading all your posts, Iím gonna close this thread until the game officially starts. If you havenít joined the discord, do so. Once everyone, or enough people have joined, Iíll reopen the game later this evening.

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Sep 26, 2013

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Everyone has joined discord! Game officially starts now!

jimmydalad
Sep 26, 2013

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Disregard this post

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Sep 26, 2013

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Apologies for the interface jankiness, I'm just trying to work everything out :x.

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Asiina posted:

I refuse

Rude.

jimmydalad
Sep 26, 2013

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A Sometimes Food has been put ON NOTICE! If they fail to make 10 posts during a game day again, they will be subject to a free LIGHTS-OUT execution!

____________________________________________________________________________________________

Votecount for Day 1

SolusLunes (8): Max, King Burgundy, chaoslord, Asiina, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, Nep-Nep, Hal Incandenza, Nep-Nep, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, flerp, Toalpaz
Hal Incandenza (2): b-minus1, Toalpaz, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, Nep-Nep, Toalpaz
SalTheBard (1): SHALASHASKA HAWKE, A Sometimes Food, SHALASHASKA HAWKE
A Sometimes Food (1): SHALASHASKA HAWKE, A Sometimes Food, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, A Sometimes Food, Nep-Nep, Anomalous Amalgam, Nep-Nep
Anomalous Amalgam (1): flerp, REGGAE PARADE, flerp
Max (1): SolusLunes
b-minus1 (0): SalTheBard, Max, Asiina, SalTheBard, chaoslord, King Burgundy, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, flerp, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, flerp, REGGAE PARADE, REGGAE PARADE, Max, King Burgundy, chaoslord, Asiina
SHALASHASKA HAWKE (0): Hal Incandenza, Toalpaz, Max, Asiina, b-minus1, Max, Asiina, King Burgundy, King Burgundy, b-minus1, Toalpaz, Hal Incandenza
Asiina (0): REGGAE PARADE, REGGAE PARADE
Toalpaz (0): Max, Max
REGGAE PARADE (0): Max, Anomalous Amalgam, flerp, King Burgundy, Max, Anomalous Amalgam, King Burgundy, flerp
flerp (0): Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam

Not Voting (1): SalTheBard

With 15 alive, it's 8 votes to execute. The current deadline is November 26th, 2018 at midnight GMT -- that's in about 47 minutes.

____________________________________________________________________________________________

:rip: SolusLunes, Town-Aligned, Vanilla was lynched Day 1 :rip:

It is now Night 1. All actions are due NO LATER THAN 12AM GMT, Tuesday, November 27th. I will process and open the thread early should all actions be submitted before the deadline.

jimmydalad fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Nov 29, 2018

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:rip: Flerp, Town-Aligned, Even Cop was killed Night 1 :rip:

:rip: Hal Incandenza, Scum-Aligned, Godfather was killed Night 1 :rip:

It is now Day 2. Deadline is at 12AM GMT on Thursday, November 29th

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Natural 20 has replaced Asiina.

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Quote is not edit.

jimmydalad fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Nov 27, 2018

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As Natural 20 is a replacement, he is immune from being put on notice for today!

jimmydalad fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Nov 27, 2018

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A Sometimes Food is now subject to a LIGHTS-OUT execution!

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Votecount for Day 2

King Burgundy (6): SHALASHASKA HAWKE, Max, Anomalous Amalgam, Toalpaz, chaoslord, SalTheBard
SHALASHASKA HAWKE (3): King Burgundy, A Sometimes Food, Nep-Nep
b-minus1 (1): Natural 20, Toalpaz, SalTheBard, SalTheBard, chaoslord, Toalpaz, chaoslord
Anomalous Amalgam (1): REGGAE PARADE
Nep-Nep (0): Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam
SalTheBard (0): chaoslord, chaoslord
Natural 20 (0): b-minus1, b-minus1
REGGAE PARADE (0): Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam, b-minus1, Anomalous Amalgam, b-minus1

Not Voting (1): b-minus1

With 12 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is November 29th, 2018 at midnight GMT -- that's in about 0 minutes.

____________________________________________________________________________________________

No one was lynched Day 2

It is now Night 2. All actions are due NO LATER THAN 12AM GMT, Friday, November 30th. I will process and open the thread early should all actions be submitted before the deadline.

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:rip: Natural 20, Town-Aligned, Watcher was killed Night 2 :rip:

It is now Day 3. Deadline is at 12AM GMT on Sunday, 2nd December

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No one has been put on notice, as the hammer has occurred more than 24 hours before deadline!

____________________________________________________________________________________________

:rip: King Burgundy, Scum-Aligned, Roleblocker was lynched Day 3 :rip:

It is now Night 3. All actions are due NO LATER THAN 12AM GMT, Sunday, December 2nd. I will process and open the thread early should all actions be submitted before the deadline.

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No one was killed Night 3

It is now Day 4. Deadline is at 12AM GMT on Tuesday, 4th December

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No one has been put on notice, as the hammer has occurred more than 24 hours before deadline!

____________________________________________________________________________________________

:rip: REGGAE PARADE, Town-Aligned, Mandatory Visitor was lynched Day 4 :rip:

It is now Night 4. All actions are due NO LATER THAN 12AM GMT, Monday, December 3rd. I will process and open the thread early should all actions be submitted before the deadline.

jimmydalad fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Dec 2, 2018

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:rip: A Sometimes Food, Town-Aligned, Jack of All Trades was killed Night 4 :rip:

It is now Day 5. Deadline is at 12AM GMT on Thursday, 6th December

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Please disregard the above votecount. I am an idiot.

Votecount for Day 5



Not Voting (8): Anomalous Amalgam, b-minus1, chaoslord, Max, Nep-Nep, SalTheBard, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, Toalpaz

With 8 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. The current deadline is December 06th, 2018 at midnight GMT -- that's in about 2 days, 23 hours.

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SalTheBard has been put ON NOTICE! If they fail to make 10 posts during a game day again, they will be subject to a free LIGHTS-OUT execution!

____________________________________________________________________________________________

Votecount for Day 5

Toalpaz (5): Anomalous Amalgam, Max, Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam, Nep-Nep, b-minus1, b-minus1, chaoslord, SHALASHASKA HAWKE
chaoslord (1): Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam, Toalpaz
Nep-Nep (0): SHALASHASKA HAWKE, SHALASHASKA HAWKE
Max (0): Toalpaz, Toalpaz

Not Voting (2): b-minus1, SalTheBard

With 8 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. The current deadline is December 06th, 2018 at midnight GMT -- that's in about 16 hours, 52 minutes.

____________________________________________________________________________________________

:rip: Toalpaz, Scum-Aligned, Ninja/Messenger was lynched Day 5 :rip:

It is now Night 5. All actions are due NO LATER THAN 12AM GMT, Friday, December 7th. I will process and open the thread early should all actions be submitted before the deadline.

jimmydalad fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Dec 5, 2018

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:rip: SHALASHASKA HAWKE, Town-Aligned, Odd Cop was killed Night 5 :rip:

It is now Day 6. Deadline is at 12AM GMT on Monday, December 10th

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:rip: Nep-Nep, Scum-Aligned, Framer was lynched Day 6 :rip:

____________________________________________________________________________________________

Anomalous Amalgam, Town-Aligned, Mason has won!

b-minus1, Town-Aligned, Vanilla has won!

chaoslord, Town-Aligned, Vanilla has won!

SalTheBard, Town-Aligned, 1-Shot Vig/Miller has won!

Max, Third Party-Aligned, Survivor/Mason/Cop has won!

____________________________________________________________________________________________

Will soon post thoughts about the game and set up in the thread. In the meantime, I shall open up the discord server.

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Sep 26, 2013

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Hello there everyone! So thoughts about the game. Before going into too much detail about them, I'd like to thank Podima so much for discussing all my insane ideas with me and helping me make a coherent structure that wasn't completely ridiculous.

Mod Doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kCqjBmbRRWdmccv8Rg9Zp1Ve2Gpnc3c2fd9N1RNtORQ/edit#gid=0

Role PMs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hs-aD9ab3RSva38K1HY42X5A5dEsWTpVe_4lShqdoPw/edit

Set-up

Coming into this, the concept that I was trying to go for was to obfusticate the results of the cop role and make the results more ambiguous than the binary nature that the role tends to be. The working name I had for this set-up was "Too Many Cops Spoil The Broth". Granted, I failed miserably in doing so, but I'll discuss more about why and how I could improve this set-up later on in the post. I'll be using this section to talk more about the set-up and why I decided to have it set up the way I did.

So obviously for the cop fuckery set-up that I had in mind, I needed to have cops. I wanted to have the Odd & Even set-up cause I did want multiple cops running around but I didn't want them clearing names too quickly, hence the odd & even restriction. As for the Survivor cop, I wanted to include a third party in the game to not tip the balance too far in the favour of the town and give the survivor something that will help them play the game rather than just trying to scrape through day by day. I feel that Survivor on its own is a pretty miserable experience and can be difficult to win with, so I gave the Survivor Cop because I needed more cops & I thought it was a nifty role combination as they could use it to try and find out who town & scum are and try and craft a strategy to maximise their chances. The masonry was also added to give the Survivor the chance, but I feel like this negatively impacted the set-up which I'll discuss more about later.

From there, I crafted the mafia team. I have rarely, if ever, seen a framer in the game and I wanted to try the role out as a way to balance against the cops. I also included godfather & roleblocker as ways for mafia to combat against the cops that were in the game. At this point, I wasn't sure how the setup was going to go and I got worried that scum had too many ways to play around the cops, which is hilarious in hindsight I know, and so I gave the town a watcher to counter against framer and the roleblocker. After that, I slotted in the ninja & mandatory visitor to balance out the watcher from becoming too powerful. Another way I wanted to counter cop roles was to have a miller in the game. I initially just had the 1-shot vig be the miller, but then Pod suggested the cool idea of giving the player the option to take the NK in exchange for the miller role. I thought this was cool so implemented the role in the game. Afterwards, vanillas were included to give the godfather a reasonable fakeclaim and to save headache of coming up with more roles and trying to balance them.

As for the Messenger, I liked Asiina's Gossip role from Grad School and wanted to implement it in the game. I also wanted to see if it was balanced if given to a scum & how it could be used by scum team to advance the game. Due to it's percieved low-ish power, I decided after discussion with Pod to give the Messenger role to the Ninja and make the action untraceable. That way, if the watcher targetted the person who was messaged, they wouldn't appear and it could serve as a hint towards the possible existence of a ninja. Allowing the role to do both on the same night was to help obfuscate night phases and gave the ninja a strong safeclaim should they fall under town suspicion.

The Good

No mod errors! At least, none that had any impact to the game other than the false start at the beginning of the game. I feel like I did a good job with role pms, pms about results and whatnot. It was a bit scary as I was very worried I'd make a mistake somewhere, but for the most part, I think the game held together and nothing I did wrong accidentally ruin the game.

I thought the survivior cop was a nifty idea for a role. I liked the decision making that it introduces into the role & I feel it is a nice way to give power to a role that can be very difficult to navigate towards the end. In the future, I'd make changes to the set-up so that it wasn't too easy for them to piggyback off town, but I'll talk more about that later. I also liked the messenger role and felt like it wasn't too powerful in the hands of scum. It did cause some discussion about Toal's alleigance and I was definitely happy to see that. With some tweaks, I'll be definitely taking the role into future games.

Overall, I felt like the game flowed nicely and that there wasn't any significant mess-ups that impacted how the days worked. Managed to stick within deadlines and get flips posted quickly, which is a mixture of luck and hyperactive refreshing of the thread. I believe people had fun with the game too, which is more important.

The Bad

So I didn't balance strongly enough against the cops. I think this game is a nice demonstration of just how strong cops are if they are left to run wild & endgame basically had everyone cleared except for Nep-Nep, who was dead in the water by that point. I found that the Framer in its current state was nowhere near strong enough to act as a counter to cop and would definitely need to be buffed for it to be a stronger role against the cop insurgence. I believe it was discussed in the observers thread, but possible suggestions included giving them x-shot permanent frame where their targets would be permanently investigated as non-town & targeting scum swaps their alignment. Also, while power roles normally have a caveat that targets need to be alternated, removing that aspect from the framer could have definitely helped scum.

Vig is a very swingy role, especially in a game as small as this. The fact that Sal managed to hit the Godfather, probably the most important role in the scum team for combatting against the cops, set mafia on the back foot significantly from the beginning and things only got worse from there as the cops were able to clear pretty much the entire game by the end. Meanwhile, if Sal had hit town, not only would town be put on the back foot, but they probably would've lynched Sal in quick succession as he would cop as non-town and would be linked to killing town. A possible suggestion for dealing with this in the future is giving the godfather BP so that scum don't get completely gimped in the early game or just not including the vig at all and exchanging the role for something like 1-shot Nexus/Miller that would have a significant impact on the game without swinging it too wildly.

The mason was poorly balanced against scum. With the mason, it was easy for Max to hide behind AA and provide a way to safely give his results to town while not being implicated. The obvious solution to this issue is to have thrown a scum into the masonry which would have definitely shaken it up while also giving scum a way to find the survivor and communicate with them discreetly using the Messenger. Alternatively, the masonry could've just been scum & 3P which would have definitely been interesting.

Finally, the messenger role was messy. Trying to sort out when to send out the message with things such as the JOAT and roleblocker in play meant that there were times where messages were sent when the recipient had no time to respond or they forgot to respond entirely. I feel like it was poorly implemented by my part and in the future would consider things such as the messages being unstoppable or having the recipient respond on the next night instead to prevent this issue from arising again.

Final Thoughts

Overall, I'm happy with how this first game turned out. While it certainly wasn't the most balanced, I had a lot of fun running the game and I hope everyone had fun playing the game as well. I definitely have learned lessons that I'll be taking forward to future games I run and yes, I will be running future games. No, they will not have as many cops as this game has had. I want to thank Pod again for dealing with me constantly pinging them with questions and without them, this game would've been much more of a mess than it ended up being.

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Have added mod doc and role pms to the thoughts post.

Fun fact: I rolled scum first. Toal was the first person rolled & then ended up rolling the rest of the team. It seems like Hal, Toal and KB are forever fated to be scum.

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