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CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

It's my understanding the show is already completed in terms of writing, voice work, etc. The animation just isnt completed because that takes awhile.

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CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

You're gonna be slightly disappointed - the ECCC panel Noelle was on for She-Ra confirmed this upcoming season only has 7 episodes. 52 episodes total is still accurate but it's gonna be broken up into more seasons, presumably because Netflix is loving weird.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

There's a huge burst of fire escaping out of the doors as soon as they close so I'm not super surprised the princesses just assumed Entrapta got flame broiled. It's only a quick shot though and the show should have been more clear about it because I also had a friend watch the show and they were confused about why the princesses thought Entrapta was dead too.

What's weirder to me is that Entrapta apparently spent 2 days in the vents and never made any attempt at escaping on her own? I get that she thought her friends were going to come back for her but also she's obviously good at stealth. Just... leave?

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Entrapta is, if not the sole ruler of her own country, then the daughter of said country's monarch. Entrapta doesn't have to pay taxes because she is the person to whom taxes are paid :colbert:

She might have to pay taxes to Hordak now though, which she is definitely not doing.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Just finished watching the new season and goddamn I love Entrapta. The absolute purest and best form of Chaotic Neutral. She loves exactly One Goddamn Thing and the petty laws of neither god nor man will stand in her way. Even Hordak is in awe.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Zerilan posted:

There's one thing I just have to know: do there continue to be a lot of adorable super pal trio interactions?

Absolutely.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Cockmaster posted:

I'm curious as to where Bow's parents get off thinking that the princesses started the war with the Horde.

Scorpia did say that she and her family allied themselves with the Horde after being senselessly shunned by the other princesses, so maybe there is something to that? Possibly related to what went wrong with Mara's career as She-Ra (which I've also been curious about)?

Well Scorpia also said that her family freely gave the Horde the Black Garnet and surrendered Scorpia to be raised by the Horde at the same time. Given that we've now had a flashback showing that the Horde in fact took the Black Garnet by force, it's pretty obvious Scorpia's been fed a line. It's more likely Scorpia's been shunned by other princesses because she was raised by the Horde, rather than her family being driven to the Horde by being shunned.

The Crimson Wastes is also the territory that Scorpia's family traditionally rules so I suspect that we're gonna get a lot more info on this in the third season (aka the back half of season 2, gently caress you Netflix).

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

We might see Eternia but I think Noelle's been firm about the fact that she doesn't want to bring in He-Man.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Open Source Idiom posted:

It's a toy sales thing, right?

I bet there's a spike every time they release a new batch of episodes.

It's a Netflix thing. Some people only subscribe for long enough to watch a particular thing they care about. If I have to pay Netflix for a month of subscription time to watch S2, they'd rather I had to pay them twice - once in April and once in August.

(or better, they'd rather new things I care about were coming out frequently enough that I just don't bother to unsubscribe)

CuwiKhons fucked around with this message at 02:57 on May 11, 2019

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Open Source Idiom posted:

Nah, that doesn't track. Why only the Dreamworks shows?

The other shows that do this -- and there's only one or two, like Kimmy Schmidt and Arrested Development -- were forced to by production issues.

I presume it's easier with animated shows than live action ones. But Netflix has proven they'll do stuff like this. That's why they keep abruptly canceling popular live action shows like Santa Clarita Diet or Sense8.

Using small numbers for ease of use here but if Santa Clarita Diet comes out and 100 people who weren't subbed to Netflix subscribe to watch it, that's great. But then season 2 comes out and those 100 subs? Probably 50 of them just stayed subscribed because there was other interesting enough stuff to watch. The other 50 come back, but Netflix sees that as a smaller bump in revenue when they just had to shell out the same amount of money to produce season 2 as they did for the original season. Season 3 sees an even smaller bump, so show canceled. Doesn't matter how many people are actually watching it and loving it, the old show doesn't get new viewers, so they cancel it. Easier to spend the production money on a new show that might see 100 new subs, and those 100 from Santa Clarita Diet have probably found something else on Netflix to watch, even if they're mad their favorite show got canceled and maybe 30 of them unsubbed.

If anything, the animated shows are lucky they can't get canceled midway through because they've already paid for it to be animated.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Noelle Stevenson did an interview with a She-Ra podcast and discussed the fact that Entrapta's not evil, just very myopic. She's fully aware that her experiment with the Black Garnet froze the forest and allowed the Horde to assault Brightmoon, but she didn't see it happen and even if she read/listened to all the reports on it, she never processed it as harming people. Even this season while watching her robots fight the princesses - none of them got hurt? They were in danger but they won, so Entrapta still didn't have to see the consequences of her actions. The worst she's ever witnessed is infecting Adora with the red crystal and everyone made it out of that unscathed.

I think Entrapta's redemption arc, if she gets one, will have to start with either her witnessing Hordak use her creations to seriously hurt someone (because I doubt they're going to kill anyone on this show) or even just setting an experiment into motion herself where she actually sees the damage.

All that said, I can also see Entrapta not getting a redemption arc. I have no problem with her staying on Hordak's side, especially if a bigger big bad comes down the line that makes Hordak look like a chump.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

I just finished watching and the last two episodes may be the best episodes of an animated series I've ever seen.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Catra seems to have taken a hard turn down the Azula line of villainy, which seems increasingly irredeemable. I mean, she basically attempted to destroy the entire world just to get one up over Adora. She's cracked and I don't know how the show is going to fix it or if they even will - which is super interesting because for the first two seasons I had thought it was inevitable that Catra would get a redemption arc. Now I legitimately don't know.

This was a very good season and I await the next one with baited breath.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Yeah the Shadow Weaver and Glimmer thing already looks bad. I don't think it'll be quite as simple as Glimmer needing a new parental figure and picking the worst possible one because I do think Glimmer still remembers that Shadow Weaver tortured her, but I can see her feeling overwhelmed by her new responsibilities and feeling like she needs Shadow Weaver's magic to get stronger.

As for Catra, I don't know. You're right that this is a kids show and it's a bad look to not let an abuse victim get redemption of some kind, but man. They're really gonna have to work for it and right now I'd buy it more from Hordak than Catra.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Labes for days posted:

The scene in the trailer with Entrapta in front of those robots that look like Scorpia and Hordak - did that show up in any of these episodes? Iím wracking my brain and I donít remember seeing it anywhere. And I want it to be proof Entrapta makes out okay.

Yeah it did. It's when Adora is in the alternate timeline caused by using the portal. It's also interesting to me in retrospect that the only robots with definable features were Hordak and Scorpia. By that point, Catra had already betrayed Entrapta and even if she didn't remember it, she knew who her two real friends were.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Labes for days posted:

When not-Entrapta tells them to remove the sword from the portal or somewhere else? Because I rewatched that scene and theyíre not in it.

There's two separate scenes with the robots - there's a brief scene where Glimmer, Bow, and Adora drop into her lair for the first time and she turns around and has the Scorpia and Hordak robots with her, then the scene cuts. Then there's a second scene later where she explains everything and you don't see those two particular robots.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

evilmiera posted:

This is the most true and good thing the show teaches us and kids alike.

Catra will not be redeemed. But she will get undeserved bellyrubs.

Which she will tolerate until suddenly she won't.

(I love cats but the backs of my hands have so many scratches on them :negative:)

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

I thought Hordak killed Micah? At least until we find out he's alive on Beast Island or something

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Labes for days posted:



Thought the thread could use this Very Important Information.



If Hordak isn't wearing pants then that means he's basically wearing a slit dress with knee high boots.

The fashion icon we deserve tbh.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

HorseLord posted:

You can say that she treats her kids in lovely indefensible ways but I mean yeah, she's a mother, they all do that, it's baseline human behavior. Part of being an adult is deciding which way you pretend it didn't happen to you.

This is the wildest statement I've ever heard and if you look at Shadow Weaver and see "just a normal mother" then you should consider the possibility that your mom was an abuser.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

HorseLord posted:

God I hate the term "PoC". It's the polite way of saying misc.

No? It means non-white. This is a very weird thing to say.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Pththya-lyi posted:

I am also shipper garbage and loved the Beauty and the Beast movie growing up, so I got all excited when Entrapta tended to grouchy Hordak and they opened up to each other. But I lost investment in the relationship when Hordak yelled abuse at her and she just shrank away. That's not a good dynamic for either a romance or a father/daughter relationship. At least Belle stopped taking the Beast's poo poo after she'd had a good cry. Unless and until Entrapta stands up for herself, I'm putting the Entrapta/Hordak ship in dock.

This is a weird comment to me because I don't think Entrapta's ever been afraid of Hordak. I mean, last season when she snuck into his lab and he screamed at her to get out, she basically told him 'nah, I'm busy fixing your poo poo, you get out,' and that was before they were friends. I don't remember Entrapta shrinking away from Hordak yelling this season but I feel like if she did, it was less out of genuine fear and more her having a rare moment where she was actually able to read the tone of the room and figured Hordak needed some alone time.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

"Incel" isn't just someone who isn't getting laid, it's someone who is not getting laid and is EXTREMELY bitter about it to the point that they've made it their entire identity.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

I would say that the She-Ra bad guys are, in general, more of a second set of protagonists than dangerous villains. Certain characters do genuinely awful things and you can feel free to hate them for it but the show also isn't real fussed by the idea that you might like them better than the good guys.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Glimmer's just gonna hafta join the rest of the princesses in the Batman club.

I'm getting vibes from Entrapta and Hordak like when a naive and socially inept (and possibly on the spectrum) girl is just so fascinated with a troubled and dangerous boy who makes the slightest shows of appreciation and can't see the red flags of how he's definitely going to end up possessive and abusive. I mean, on top of her more or less being a war criminal at this point.

I actually think Hordak is more interested in Entrapta than she is in him. She likes him for sure, don't get me wrong, but so far she's seen him as a lab partner and a friend (which she's very excited about!). Hordak's the one who sees anime sparkles around her and stumbles over his compliments like a 7th grader asking someone to the school dance.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

I don't know who that is but I'm super happy for them and very excited for Double Trouble.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Finished watching the season and goddamn. My only complaint is not enough Entrapta. Otherwise, loving amazing.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

I didn't get a dick vibe from the giant snake mostly because of the fins that throw the shape off. And also because it looks cute when its mouth is closed, and dicks are never cute.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Shbobdb posted:

Double Trouble also explicitly said that is what happened.

Do we know what the heart of eternia does? It seems like "blow up the universe" but that doesn't really make sense.

I got the impression that it was a very powerful weapon that could annihilate entire planets, but could only be aimed by someone with the She-Ra sword (which the First Ones created for exactly that purpose). I also got the impression that something was wrong with the device and at this point, using it would cause Etheria to pop like an overfull balloon. I don't think it was broken at the time Mara chose to shut it down because her objection seemed more "I don't want to kill other people" than "I don't want to destroy this planet specifically."

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Android Blues posted:

I don't think She-Ra was even meant to aim it, she was just the automated conduit. The programming in the sword was supposed to allow the First Ones to force She-Ra to fire off the weapon at a target of their choosing, and even though the First Ones are gone Light Hope's still aiming the weapon per their design. That's why Adora is getting all program-y and overrun with circuitboard patterns when it's about to fire.

I think we might both right. The She-Ra sword is required to aim it but the person who is She-Ra is just the conduit. I recall either Light Hope or Mara or maybe it was Razz mentioning that the First Ones created the sword to focus the power of She-Ra because otherwise they were unable to control it. Presumably She-Ra would always be the conduit even without the sword but the sword is necessary for more precise aiming.

Edit - I just realized this is what you said, sorry.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Mr.Pibbleton posted:

After the final episode, it strikes me as a little weird that Hordak fell in love with someone who has moving hair.

Horde Prime may not have always looked like that. I got the impression he's constantly 'updating' himself. It's also not like Entrapta behaves like Horde Prime in any way.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

I won't be surprised if it turns out that Horde Prime is a descendant of the First Ones, having changed himself to the point of being unrecognizable as such. Horde Prime's empire seems like the inevitable result of the First One's behavior so either he conquered them or he IS them.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Have you just completely missed Spinerella and Netossa?

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Speaking of which, do you think Scorpia still has family out there anywhere or is she the last one? I assumed she would have family out in the Crimson Wastes last season but this season it seems more clear that Scorpia's family got decimated and she was only kept alive because she was young enough to be raised as loyal to the Horde. I also assumed we'd meet more of Catra's species on Beast Island but uh, nope. There was a cat girl on Captain Scurvy's pirate crew though.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Noelle Stevenson stated quite awhile ago that she has no interest in introducing any He-Man characters to the story.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

... Why did you watch two entire seasons of a show you hated and then come back for thirds? I'm glad it worked out for you and you liked season 3 but what was even your thought process here?

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

You're more dedicated in your consumption of media than I am, I guess. Godspeed, sir.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Sea Hawk is a classic himbo and Mermista doesn't usually have time for his antics, but that doesn't mean she doesn't love him. She's just too proud to admit it.

CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

Yeah presumably Angella was the Queen and she got married to Micah, who wasn't royalty at all before that. In which case he has no claim to the throne and his daughter is ahead of him in terms of succession because Micah's the one who married into the family.

Edit - this has happened before regularly in real life royalty, we're just accustomed to it not being the women who naturally inherit. The typical situation for this in the real world would be where the King dies so the Prince becomes the new King despite the fact that the Queen is still alive.

CuwiKhons fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Nov 15, 2019

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CuwiKhons
Sep 24, 2009

Seven idiots and a bear walk into a dragon's lair.

There's clearly something up with Mara because she somehow knew who Adora was despite being from like, a thousand years in the past. And I don't think it's just that Madam Razz told her. I'm not sure that means she's alive though.

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