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Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



Some people have problems with this season but have you considered: i am a lesbian and AAAAAAA HOLY SHIIIIIIIIT THEY DID IT

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Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



AlternateNu posted:

I'd argue there was plenty of lesbian energy without the need for bad redemption arcs. Or if they were going to do it, it should've been a good-bye kiss as Catra sacrifices herself instead of Shadow Weaver.

Nah I'd rather not have another tragic ending where the lesbians die, thanks :( seen too many of those. I'm not sure why everyone thinks the severely-traumatized and abused character can't get better once the things traumatizing her are gone. She's not even fully "redeemed," half the cast doesn't even trust or like her, adora's just gay. I hope that now she's in a better situation she can work through her stuff.

e: Due to the hays code it was literally impossible to show same-sex attraction on tv without killing the characters for like 50 years, because they thought otherwise kids would want to be gay, so forgive me for being happy at a sappy ending for once. i'm not used to it. There would have been riots among the lesbians if catra died because of this lol

Beekeeping and You fucked around with this message at 19:30 on May 18, 2020

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



AlternateNu posted:

They're not the only lesbians. >_>
Besides, Korra did it better.

But they kissed for real, unambiguously! And they're the main characters!! I know Korra is also, but!!

Catra definitely did some stuff wrong but the euphoria of seeing this poor traumatized lesbian kid get a happy ending is making me :buddy: and i hope any kids who lash out and make terrible decisions can see that and know they can be better, and that the future doesn't have to be more of the same.

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



I haven't seen Korra yet, but I also get the feeling that Korrasami is more... I don't want to say sanitized exactly? More pretty and perfect for sure. Garnet as well is usually perfect.

Catra and Adora feel a lot more true to life, in the pining, and the complete faith that the other person doesn't want you the way you want them, the lashing out... I've met plenty of catras and plenty of adoras. I see myself in those characters. Idk, I guess most people wouldn't pick up on that, but holy poo poo I am glad this is how it played out

tl;dr seeing their entire relationship play out and knowing it's canon and intended is genuinely a huge deal for me and my community :buddy: i don't wanna speak for anyone else but when catra went "She doesn't want me! Not like I want her!!" I was... whoof. I've been there.

Beekeeping and You fucked around with this message at 19:56 on May 18, 2020

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011




:hmmyes: this is what i meant. now to go watch korra

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



Senerio posted:

Also, here's the same point I just made but much more eloquent:

https://twitter.com/Gingerhazing/status/1262469982157332481

I agree with this point, and I love basically all lesbian rep we get...

...but I am just sooo glad a girl who's been abused, who hurts people before they hurt her and has developed a mean streak to cope, gets a happy ending. THAT is the story I've seen play out over and over again with my gay friends and it never ends well in fiction but gently caress! here we are!! :D Not just a happy ending either!! She's vital to the story and the heroine, even if she feels useless!! Aaaah!

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



Captain Oblivious posted:

This feels like a false binary. I mean, it IS a false binary.

Just because they can't (or more accurately shouldn't) be together doesn't mean Adora can't find happiness elsewhere.

It's not even about "she should be punished instead" it's about "this show did not convincingly earn the idea that being in a relationship with Catra is a good thing".


why do we have to earn it :( straight couples don't have to earn it, they just get to throw that poo poo in awkwardly.

like i'm watching ATLA for the first time and any time they want to suggest a character likes another one they just put a soft filter and hearts on, catra and adora have CHEMISTRY

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



Captain Oblivious posted:

It's not good or cool then either.

I'm no happier about Catradora than I am about Bella and Edward. The fact that it's LGBT doesn't make it any less gross and toxic.

Have the self respect to get together with someone less self obsessed y'all, let them heal elsewhere that's not your responsibility. :colbert:


Ok sure but c'mon you know Adora would never look at catra trying to heal and be like ehhh not my problem

that's a weird roboty way of looking at relationships? I guess I just don't think Catra's irredeemably toxic? She was a child soldier.

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



Saucy_Rodent posted:

Sure, but they showed us like four or five other child soldiers who are perfectly well adjusted, “child soldier” isn’t nearly as bad in this universe as it is in the real one. Catra was uniquely toxic, unlike Adora or Kyle or Regelio or Lonnie.

I feel like this is more about if you think Catra is a likable character or not than anything else

e: i don't mean that in a "YOUR OPINION WRONG" way i mean that in a "I am sympathetic to this person" way

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



actually the problem seems to be i'm riding a high of AHHH REPRESENTATION while other people are like this is actually a bad message for kids, redeeming abusers will give them false hope

e: i also don't think that was the moral at all, catra said she was doing work on herself and acknowledged there was a problem and even got an emotional support animal...

but her actions in the previous seasons were loathesome enough that i don't really begrudge people who looked at that like oh that reminds me of someone i knew gently caress her

Beekeeping and You fucked around with this message at 20:47 on May 18, 2020

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



Yeah, Catra does acknowledge her faults, and seems to be working on them in the way she tries not to get angry or lash out for perceived slights, but her actions in the previous seasons were so loathsome, I also get the people who look at that like, nope, gently caress that.

dammit must every issue have nuance :saddowns: in my fanfiction i'll give the cat therapy

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



the REAL disconnect is that there is nothing lesbians go more apeshit for than bitchy mean girls who bully people and act like vriska

catra was fanservice all along

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



lesbians will look at azula from ATLA and go "damb anyone else gonna take that" and not wait for an answer no wonder the catra thing is so polarizing

e: i have not seen atla

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



Hemingway To Go! posted:

it's also a cartoon. no one gets a chance to destroy the entire universe irl.

I mean, they do, but it's usually businessmen and not traumatized catgirls

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Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



My biggest issue with Wrong Hordak is that he never got a fun nickname

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