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I sort of feel like if Catra's redemption comes, it can't be based on her relationship with Adora. Her whole problem is that Adora is the only person she really cared for beside herself, and to become a hero, she has to develop a broader conscience and sense of empathy. Them patching up their relationship (assuming they don't just find healthier relationships with other people) seems like it would come after that, not before.
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One thing to remember about Episode 11 is that Catra reached her decision after being bombarded by very specific memories in a very specific pattern by a Definitely Trustworthy And Not At All Sinister AI who really wanted Adora to abandon her emotional connections. Seriously, that shot of Light Hope telling her to 'let go' immediately after Catra walked away was shady as gently caress, and I really doubt that the parallels with Episode 7 were accidental. Just an over/under on how many episodes it is until we find out that Mara was totally right, I reckon. In that context, Catra fell so hard and fast because she was subjected to a sustained and vicious emotional assault by someone very powerful and very manipulative who went after her psychological weak spots with a hammer, and because she didn't have a good enough, healthy enough support network to help her bounce back. In a show about the power of friendship. Yeah, I wouldn't write her off just yet.
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Nov 30, 2018 21:52
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Cockmaster posted:At least there was some plausible explanation for it - it was stated that Entrapta's science project with the Black Garnet was starting to gently caress poo poo up all over the planet. Which would certainly alert each and every princess to the fact that something big was going down, such that sitting at home and minding one's own business was no longer a viable strategy against the Horde. Though you're certainly right in that it would have been nice for them to actually show that. I mean, it was presumably sapping their runestones as well, which is a really good reason for them to sit up and take notice. I feel like the scene where they all sealed themselves away behind barriers created with their powers was decent setup for how things went down - no powers, no barrier.
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Imp looking more human makes it freakier/cooler when he opens his mouth and it turns out he really isn't. Seriously, giving Transformers Prime Soundwave's gimmick to a small demon child was a wonderfully awful idea.
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TBF, I never really felt during this season that Glimmer and Adora had that kind of chemistry. They really are just good friends, especially when you contrast their relationship to the gallons of tension Adora has with Catra. Like, it may well be that Adora/Catra doesn't work out at all in the long run, and they both find different people, but I feel like the writers have given themselves a pretty big uphill struggle if they want to make Gilmmer/Adora their endgame.
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Libluini posted:I want to believe you, but I have no idea what either of this means. Meaningless buzzwords that we're going to look back on and cringe at in a few years' time. I mean, 'hopepunk' is already a pretty silly name.
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Jan 26, 2019 11:52
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CuwiKhons posted:There's a huge burst of fire escaping out of the doors as soon as they close so I'm not super surprised the princesses just assumed Entrapta got flame broiled. It's only a quick shot though and the show should have been more clear about it because I also had a friend watch the show and they were confused about why the princesses thought Entrapta was dead too. Way too much cool tech lying around. No, seriously, that's the answer.
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Apr 5, 2019 09:18
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Incidentally, it's be cool if they take some animation tips from this scene in a future big Glimmer fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar7fHWRMNoE
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Apr 26, 2019 14:10
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This will be a very giffable season.
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Apr 26, 2019 17:31
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Gaz-L posted:Netflix should really make it clear to Dreamworks that this is their plan, because DW are clearly making these shows with the normal 13-26 episode cycle in mind and building to season finales based on that. They try with these 'mid-season finale' episodes but they're almost always character studies that don't get paid off for months or years. Since they have an actual onscreen gay couple as central characters in an episode, I assumed that was more about Scorpia herself not quite getting it.
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Apr 28, 2019 00:06
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they were with making Scorpia's crush on Catra deniably platonic.
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Labes for days posted:Next time on She-Ra: the heroes must make a perilous journey into the Fright Zone to retrieve Entapta’s belongings because all her stuff is there now, so she’ll probably just stay. Also, he just wants to get home, and they can't help him much with that.
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May 6, 2019 16:25
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Chokes McGee posted:She’s an abused product of her environment that’s colossally in over her head and will ultimately be saved by the love of a good insectoid Arachnid. 
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May 12, 2019 11:21
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twistedmentat posted:Huh, never thought of that. Shadoweavers former student guy will probably come back at some point. Though I thought it was funny that the Wizard School people were all "Well, we can't actually fight against this army thats invading the planet, its not our business". That was Glimmer's now-dead dad, King Micah.
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May 13, 2019 09:12
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Scorpia would more likely switch sides because once she realizes Catra is never going to acknowledge, let alone *requite* her feelings for her, she'll realize at long last that toiling for The Horde does nothing but sacrifice everyone else's dreams for Hordak's ambitions. She's a starry-eyed NCO who hasn't been made to "embrace the suck" yet and still thinks she's ~making a difference~. Horde Prime seems like a better candidate for that. Hordak is just done with this poo poo and wants to go home, far as I can tell.
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story arc coming. Probably culminating with her stealing the Black Garnet back.
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I'm still thinking that Mara was a hero and the Ancients were up to something terrible that she stopped. It feels like the obvious setup.
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May 22, 2019 05:13
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Regy Rusty posted:It's an 80s cartoon so the concept of an ongoing storyline hadn't yet been invented by animation scientists Ironically, the anime that a bunch of 80s cartoons plagiarised from/were inspired by did have fairly involved ongoing stories.
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May 25, 2019 13:49
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Wow, it really is just parent issues all the way down, isn't it?
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Aug 2, 2019 12:34
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nerdman42 posted:3x02: Just rewatching that Hordak flashback scene a million times, its so GORGEOUS. I need that music so bad and Keston John's guttural but desperate "I am not a defect. I am WORTH something" is so raw. I also liked how that episode fleshed out Hordak's relationship with Imp. The little guy's very obviously a failed clone, and yet Hordak treats him with nothing but kindness. 
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Labes for days posted:Holy crap I didn’t even put two and two together on that. The next season (or seasons, depending on how they chop it up) will be the third quarter of the story, setting up the final conflict. I would be quite surprised if it has an especially happy ending. Hordak is firmly in Catra's Abuse Victims Making Terrible Decisions Club, and I'd assume he'll stay there for a while, at least until he gets some time to interact with Horde Prime again. If a Horde member does help get Entrapta off Beast Island, I'd expect it to be Imp. He likes her, he doesn't like Catra, and he sees everything.
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I think this is why Shadow Weaver remains the worst person in the show (excluding Horde Prime, who we haven't really met yet). She always had a choice. She was the start of her particular cycle of abuse - she just woke up one day and decided that what she really wanted to do with her life was manipulating children into doing terrible things for her ambitions and leaving them with permanent psychological scars from the experience.
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Carlton Banks Teller posted:Isn't Entrapta guilty of this as well? I know she has a massive fanbase here but I just don't get it. Sure, she's "blinded by science" but she is such in so ethically-blind a way that I don't find her sympathetic at all. I feel like she's just severely clueless, and is slowly (very slowly) starting to get it (thanks to Hordak, of all people). She's not a manipulator, she just likes science and is learning that sometimes, not all science is good because it leads to her friends getting hurt. Shadow Weaver, on the other hand, is fully aware of what she's doing, and carefully plans out every awful thing she does.
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Aug 3, 2019 11:37
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Laughing Zealot posted:Perfuma hugging Shadow-Weaver in the last episode Shadow Weaver's a serial child abuser who just got introduced to a whole new crop of kids. She's already started using one of them as a battery, and said battery's mum just disappeared so she's dangerously short on healthy adult guidance. Things are going to get a lot worse in Brightmoon before they get better. As for Catra, while she does have a big problem with blaming other people for her own mistakes, she's also right that Shadow Weaver completely broke her mind. She's not going to willingly change sides at this point, but she's probably the most extreme abuse victim in a story for kids about child abuse, so I think that she will end up being treated somewhat kindly in the end. Treating her as completely beyond salvation doesn't seem responsible given the target audience, some of whom may see themselves in her.
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tsob posted:I'm probably in the minority here, but I actually find Catra to be a shittier person than Shadow Weaver. Sure, she's a lovely person because of Shadow Weaver, but she's a lovely person that has done more (at least obviously) awful things to people close to her. She not only tried to kill her best friend and sister of years on multiple occasions, but has gone out of her way to make her miserable at every opportunity. She's also lied about and screwed over other friends and allies constantly in order to enable more chances to gently caress up Adora's life. The main reason Entrapta is in the Fright Zone in the first place is because she lied to her about Adora having abandoned her, even though she had to know that wasn't true. And now she's lied to Hordak about Entrapta being the source of his latest set back too. Shadow Weaver is worse because her entire life's work is using and breaking kids. Any one of them could be the next Catra, and the ones who aren't still end up permanently scarred. Catra is tragic because the person who raised her and shaped her entire being taught her to value her approval more than anything else in the world, and then made sure she would never get it because she only ever saw interest and value in one of her daughters, and only needed Catra around so she'd have someone to be better than. It was only ever a matter of time until she realised the game was rigged and went full nihilist because her horrible mother never thought it would be useful for her to care about other people, but did give her a master-class in how to manipulate them. Seriously, pretty much every nasty, mind-gamey tactic Catra uses was pioneered by SW. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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Madurai posted:Wait... do we know that? She expressed disappointment that she wasn't the last She-Ra, implying there were multiple people before her who held the title.
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AlternateNu posted:See, I got the impression that Imp was one of the Hordak's failed attempts to clone himself a body. But he kept Imp around because he's clearly sentient and relatively intelligent. And because he's not going to be his clone-dad - on that level, at least.
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Ups_rail posted:Eh this show is alittle odd. I feel like theirs too many characters but the only one that is compelling is you guessed it catra. He's opening up because he's finally got someone who will understand what he's talking about. The entire core of Hordak's character is that he is lonely as gently caress. As for how he keeps the Fright Zone functioning, it's the same reason he's so lonely - he's the only person who understands how all the immensely advanced, deadly technology he's built works. Also, Imp is a really good spy.
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pentyne posted:Is the prevailing message that Catra should get a happy ending because she was a victim too? Angella got imprisoned between dimensions in a wormhole that we as the audience know is going to get reopened at some point (so Horde Prime can drop by and say hi). She very specifically did not die. Catra, meanwhile, is a character in a kids' show about surviving and moving past parental abuse, and there are going to be kids in the audience who will identify with her. The writing team aren't going to say 'nope, sorry, Susan, your mother broke you forever and you're beyond redemption'.
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Yeah, there are two characters in the show who are almost certainly irredeemable - Shadow Weaver and Horde Prime - for the exact same reason that Catra will likely never be completely beyond hope. This is a kids' show, and it's not the responsibility of kids to redeem the adults abusing and manipulating them.
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HorseLord posted:You can say that she treats her kids in lovely indefensible ways but I mean yeah, she's a mother, they all do that, it's baseline human behavior. Part of being an adult is deciding which way you pretend it didn't happen to you.  You, uh, might wanna see someone about that one, chief.
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SardonicTyrant posted:I can't believe She-Ra is a retelling of Evangelion, complete with Catra starting Third Impact. So, what you're saying is that Scorpio is going to bite off Shadow Weaver's head?
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Saucy_Rodent posted:Is it possible not to get so deeply, personally offensive when criticizing someone’s bad takes on a TV show? Not all dumb posts are signs of mental illness. I feel like reacting to a literal cartoon supervillain whose power is child abuse with 'I don't get why people think she's evil, seems like a regular mother to me' is a bit more revealing than your average bad take.
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Yes, the cartoon supervillain who latches onto powerful children and emotionally abuses them until they want to blow up big chunks of the planet to help her/hurt her is, in fact, bad and evil and not a perfectly normal parent. Quit universalising your awful childhood, dude.
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Besides, they never said what she was doing would kill her. It would just trap her between dimensions on a way they didn't know how to reverse.
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Again, the show explicitly said that Angela didn't die. She just imprisoned herself between dimensions. Entrapta should be able to get her out of that eventually.
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T-man posted:she has the nerd voice and nerd accent See also, Professor Frink.
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Transmogrifier posted:Season 4 is on November 5th: Cool, not too far away then.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Horde Prime I assumed Prime's extra eyes exist for the same reason as all of his clones - he's tried to make himself the ultimate life-form through unethical experiment after unethical experiment, with a significant failure-rate. He's probably on, like, his hundredth body by now. If he didn't have impossibly, unreachably high standards for himself, he wouldn't have turned himself into an entire hive-minded species.
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Moon Slayer posted:So, they never actually said it, but it was pretty strongly implied that Glimmer let Double Trouble out and hired him to sow chaos in the Fright Zone, right? That's why he just up and revealed what happened to Entrapta. I'm not just imagining this? Yeah, they spelled it out when they signalled Glimmer to give her the go-ahead.
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Yeah, the First Ones basically turned Eternia into a Death Star with a genocidal AI. It's bad news because it's designed to eliminate anything that isn't a First One planet, and oh look whoops the First Ones are extinct.
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Doctor Reynolds posted:Flower Girl can magically generate food and building material and herbs and spices! Bright Moon can teleport stuff! Robots with functionally infinite energy exist! Magic! I just don't see how money would even form in such a society. Star Trek has money, and conveniently answers most of these questions. In a post-scarcity society, money is used for the trade of luxuries, and serves as a useful fallback for when the tech that keeps you post-scarcity goes on the blink.
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