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Is the prevailing message that Catra should get a happy ending because she was a victim too? Trauma or not, causing the death of people isnt something that gets wiped off the slate because of regret. I would hope its not some 80s cartoon fairy tale ending where Glimmer goes "got my mom,killed, nbd we all know SW was cruel to you" SW getting 'accepted' into the friend group is pretty dumb but thats clearly a set up for her to influence the cause in nefarious ways and hurt more people. I binged all of Voltron after the series finished and felt it did a good job of bring more complexity and nuance to a "good vs evil" dynamic. Some people had happy endings, some had bittersweet, some bad guys didn't get their just desserts etc. I'm expecting the same from this. pentyne fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Aug 9, 2019 |
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Catra has gone from S1: Enemy rising through the ranks toppling her teacher and causing havoc S2: Clashing with Adora on missions, struggling to learn to lead, making mistakes and lying to cover it up S3: Running away from a environment of happiness, tasering the crap out of her friend and getting them imprisoned on false charges, threatening someone who loves her with the same consequence, attempt to destroy everything cause mayhem and madness just because Adora got SW attention again. Extremes I assume for some overall story growth and development, but still pretty messed up behavior. The ability to sympathise with someone tends to drop off rapidly as they start being just as bad as the "real" villains.
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Aug 9, 2019 22:37
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If the estranged parents thread has taught me anything its abuse is an exceptionary broad term that covers everything from closed fist punches for not folding laundry, to telling your child you are going to the hospital to have them kill you because the child is a disappointment and its their fault when you die, or deliberately forgetting a birthday to teach someone a lesson. Maybe looking for personal revelations about bad parents and victim behavior in a Netflix cartoon show isn't the best idea? Its fine as a reminder or positive portrayal of people improving their situation and personal relationships but if you are looking at SW and saying "so what? She treats kids like poo poo no big deal everyone is like that" there's more going on that this cartoon won't fix. Same with Catra and being a lovely person and hurting others. If you need her to get redeemed to feel good about your situation then you should explore other professional avenues to improve mental health.
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Aug 10, 2019 17:46
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amigolupus posted:Yeah, this is how I read that too. There's some things that don't make sense unless Etheria's the aggressor. Stuff like Mara destroying the tower thing to weaken Light Hope's capabilities, the red virus that Entrapta was messing with acting more like a "kill every enemy" switch that seems more like an Old Ones tech feature than a bug, or how Light Hope noting that Adora's emotions are making her go down the same path as Mara. My guess is that Mara's a lot like Adora and Huntara in that she's a soldier who realized the harm their side was doing and tried to make things right. There was a ton of stuff packed into those scenes. - The purple hologram doesn't look a thing like the sad Mara and looks/sounds like Light Hope. Might mean nothing but the red tech was easily able to take over Adora so the First Ones clearly had a control trigger if She-ra ever went berserk. - Mara was part of the first group to settle Etheria to study the magic, its not the original First Ones home so there would have to be other "First Ones" in the universe not a part of whatever was going on - Stuttering about Light Hope, a weapon of some kind, panic. Light Hope has repeatedly tried to push Adora to ignore and not care about her friends or other people and just focus on being She-ra. - Mara pulled Etheria away to keep "everyone" safe, warns of death and destruction if found, its needs to stay hidden for the good of the universe. It's almost deliberately ambiguous enough to make a case that Etheria was either the source of the destruction or so powerful that it sparked massive conflict and war over control of it. It's not even clear if Light Hope is shaping up as an antagonist or she's just a lawful neutral AI that doesn't regard using the power of Etheria as a problem for defense or attack.
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Aug 13, 2019 01:56
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Saucy_Rodent posted:Is it possible not to get so deeply, personally offensive when criticizing someone’s bad takes on a TV show? Not all dumb posts are signs of mental illness. HorseLord posted:I can't really see Shadow Weaver as having any villainy at all, she just takes what side will have her. Repressing childhood abuse and pretending like everything is alright to a narcissistic parent who hurts everyone they can is not "adult behavior" is allowing the cycle of abuse to perpetuate. Family is family, but when people insist "blood is thicker then water" and try to excuse away decades of emotional and physical abuse they become the problem. You can argue about who likes who in a cartoon show and is that character really dead, but if you start saying representations of abuse and manipulation are just the way adults are then holy poo poo see a therapist. pentyne fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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Aug 19, 2019 00:35
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HorseLord posted:Do you just not read usernames ever? HorseLord posted:You can say that she treats her kids in lovely indefensible ways but I mean yeah, she's a mother, they all do that, it's baseline human behavior. Still not sure how this is "being wrong about a show"
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Aug 19, 2019 22:21
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HorseLord posted:It's been almost two weeks since I dropped the bait and you're still acting like this. Please get a life. You could just choose to ignore all of it, like you recommended for adults to deal with their abusive childhood.
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Aug 21, 2019 21:25
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twistedmentat posted:God drat i'm glad Scorpia finally woke up. Her realizing shadowweaver was in bright moon was like a lightbulb going off when she realized what made Catra start spiraling out of control.
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Nov 7, 2019 18:46
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Doctor Reynolds posted:Why not? Ancient lost civilization weapons are always like that. The Heart of Eternia is just a Halo. Doesn't Mara explicitly say "entire worlds" when talking about the power of the Heart? And I can't be the only one who assumes Adora will become a Magical Etheria She Ra with a completely different costume and powers. That's the whole point of Razz and her non linear perspectives about Etheria always had a She Ra, right?
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Nov 7, 2019 21:06
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King of Foolians posted:Here is what I'm wondering: What's up with the First Ones? Now we know they were a group of explorers and settlers turned conquering weapon makers. Mara said things started out well then turned bad. Are they still around? Very likely that the Heart was intended to be a weapon of conquest and once they lost it succumbed to infighting, invasion, collapse of some kind etc. Rewriting LH to go from empathic AI to Lawful neautral follow all orders emotion is weak is a pretty clear sign the ruling First Ones were warmongering by that point and you dont develop mass weapons of destruction unless you have mass targets you need to destroy. It could be the classic "source of Hordak Primes tech was discovered First Ones tech he keeps secret from his clones" from the descendants of First Ones who lost the knowledge of how to use it.
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Nov 9, 2019 01:10
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Mumbly posted:This reminds me. In the unlikely event Skeletor does show up, someone should warn the She-Ra fandom that in most continuities he's secretly He-Man's uncle. Y'know, before they do something they might regret. They won't regret regardless.
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Nov 10, 2019 21:45
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HorseLord posted:"Asexual" is people with no sex drive trying to interpret that in the pre existing framework we use to discuss homosexuality or bisexuality. They're trying to do this because they have no other framework to think about it with. It's basically like how in the middle ages people thought that heat and cold are substances. This thread really isn't the place for your galaxy brained takes on such things like personal relationships, patterns of abuse, and the nature of gender and sexuality.
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Using "ace" as shorthand is convenient but everytime I see it I picture the classic 1950s greaser in a leather jacket and shades snapping his fingers pointing at something cool and saying "Aces!"
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Ghost Leviathan posted:But also more hot. "Ugh, she just nuked the White House...man she looks good with the radioactive wind tussling her hair"
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I wonder how profitable this and Voltron are. I haven't been too tied into the current genre of sophisticated cartoons like Adventure Time and Steven Universe so I dont really know how well they do as IP in general. Watching Voltron the first season was a clear attempt to follow the original formula and they quickly jettisoned it to tell and epic and far reaching saga in 7 seasons. She-Ra being 5 seasons is I hope deliberate because aside from the typical "netflix cancels everything good" if they back away from the dreamworks collabs that's pretty dire for animated shows in general. I'm still salty that Tuca and Bertie only got one season.
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Apr 30, 2020 18:23
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Asgerd posted:I know it's mostly died down now, but I got into an argument recently about how this show is just evil EssJayDubya feminazi propaganda, and it was kind of illuminating how they couldn't point out a single scene or plot point that supported the Dread Agenda when pressed, just the same "look at these character designs!" poo poo from two years ago. You'd think chuds would at least complain about the presence of gay or nonbinary characters, but the people who hate this show not only haven't watched it, they seem to know literally nothing about it. Chuds live and die by an idea that the world is a homogenous set of circumstances and experiences identical to their own and any portrayal or depiction of something other then that is a deliberate attempt to exterminate their culture. Actual reality isn't something they bother to check up on.
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Darth Walrus posted:DT has far too much pride in their work to pretend to be an incompetent actor. You don't get it, it's the ultimate acting challenge.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Oh my god these next few days are going to crawl by I just binged Life is Strange so going from that to the series end of She-ra I'm only hoping there's something happy about the ending.
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May 14, 2020 02:57
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It did apparently turn out they only made passable TV because they had a massive book series to use and as soon as they had to make up their own stuff it turns out they're terrible at everything, and also they're even more blatant Hollywood nepotism cases than usual. They literally told their assistant to write an episode rather then do it themselves.
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VanSandman posted:GRRM said he didn't want to write any material that wasn't in book form, so he ducked out after Season 4. He's made statements that disparage the 8th season and indicates its not similar to his planned ending. edit: Man I can't believe everyone turned out to be straight the entire time. Really played the long game before introducing Nettossa's husband. pentyne fucked around with this message at 08:14 on May 15, 2020 |
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Kind of a weak season but a solid finale, it really couldn't have ended better. Definitely felt like a lot was rushed to get everything/one in place for the final battle. Great writing in the last 2 episodes, they packed in everything at the end and it felt like it would never stop or let up. Mermista: *sees Hordak "So we're all just okay with this now?"
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May 15, 2020 18:06
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Axel Serenity posted:I'm sad this show is over, but I'm really glad it was made. It's a rather outstanding show as a whole. I read about Legend of Korra recently and that was hugely important as one of the only examples of positive queer representation in youth focused animated shows. She-ra takes that way up to including transpersons as treated just like nbd and a typical part of their society. This was a major improvement over Voltron in so many ways, from the faster pace to a tighter focus on making the relationships feel so more real and organic.
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Axel Serenity posted:Korra is one of my all-time favorites, and She-Ra takes its torch to show what it could have been without the shackles of Nickelodeon. On that note the Korra franchise is continued by one of the original creators in comic form and is ongoing, and he leaned all the way into the lesbian relationship because the 2 creators fully intended that but could only do so much on a Nick cartoon show. I just recalled that when the episode aired tumblr loving exploded and the wiki articles got locked down as a ton of people kept insisting there's was nothing queer about it and eventually the creators had to say "yeah, they're together now" Some good articles already out spoiling the ending but uh quote:As far back as season one, She-Ra established a queer relationship between two other princesses called Netossa and Spinnerella, while also hinting at what was to come for Adora and Catra. How dense would you have to be to "missed it"? Article also interviews Noelle, she apparently had to fight tooth and nail to get the story she wanted told and got a lot of pushback for what eventually came out. pentyne fucked around with this message at 00:57 on May 16, 2020 |
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Open Source Idiom posted:Realistically, this isn't going to stop happening any time soon, but I'm glad the show pulled it off the way it did. I found a mention of Voltron and how the writers were told point blank by execs "Shiro is here to sell toys so no" when they were trying to push their ideas to develop his character.
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xeria posted:There are probably a dozen (or more) things I could pick at about how things happened over both this final season and the show as a whole, but that finale resonated so much with me emotionally that I can't bring myself to care. Yes it's definitely one of if not the weakest seasons but the 2 part finale just nails everything that built up since S1 ep 1 and is a perfect bow to tie up the series with.
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Darth Walrus posted:It is kind of funny how Netflix now has two flagship cartoons with major subplots about narcissistic parents and the damage they do. What's the other one? edit: I'm assuming Bojack.
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Senerio posted:Also, here's the same point I just made but much more eloquent: I'll give credit where credit is due, Noelle and the team loving nailed it for making it for making all the relationships seems organic. Shipping wars are nothing new they go back to Star Trek Spock x Kirk but with She-ra you'd have to be really, really dense to not pick up on how deep the personal feelings ran for most of the main pairings even the non-romantic. Nothing swerved or came out of nowhere it's all easily explainable in a reading from the characterization all the way back to S1. Except maybe Entrapa and Hordak, but only because they don't share appreciable screen time until season 3. Also, am I the only one who thinks the timeline for S5 must be like nigh a year or so? So much happens between ep 1 and the finale it's impossible its a matter of weeks more like months, it makes the redemption arc much more plausible in the time frame.
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Captain Oblivious posted:I can’t. It doesn’t hold up well under scrutiny You, Watching a cartoon show: This doesn't make sense, the real world isn't like this, I can't believe they would try to convince us this is plausible
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May 18, 2020 21:50
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CuwiKhons posted:Confirmed straight couples: Micah/Angella, Mermista/Sea Hawk I don't know what to call it but Casta/SW were a delight every time they were sharing screen time.
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May 21, 2020 18:19
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Android Blues posted:She does wild stuff like that constantly in the 80s cartoon, yeah. There's an amazingly ludicrous sequence in one episode where she uses the sword to cut a lake out of the ground by the lakebed, then picks the lake up and hurls it so that the water spills out to extinguish a burning town, the hollowed out lakebed landing without incident on the other side. That lake thing seems legit like something Adora would've tried before someone had to talk her down to a more reasonable option.
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CuwiKhons posted:There was no way she would. She and Horde Prime are the only villains on the show that were never victims themselves, they just victimized others. They don't get redemption for that. Also a pretty classic symptom of abuse, being convinced that you can work and do something to gain their love and affection. It seems weird to say "yeah that alien general waging a war of conquest and murder across the planet? Victim of horrific cult abuse doing the only thing he understands" but it's kind of how it shakes out.
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oh but seriously I posted:Its fun & gay but it is also a kid's show about magic princesses. Its not Das Boot "Kids show" as a category has expanded so widely since the 2000s it's almost a disservice to use it to compare things like Spongebob and Avatar in the same space. Since Avatar TLA proved you could make a serialized story heavy cartoon show on Nick good enough that both kids, young adults, and parents could all enjoy it there's been a push for more and better. Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, Regular Show, Adventure Time etc. all have a lot going on to the point where grown adults are writing 5000 word treatise about single episodes and comparing it to philosophy or classic literature and they're not exactly wrong about it. The recent Voltron series is another example. Season 1 was all robots fighting big monsters and one off episode adventures then it changed rapidly to epic spanning space opera with drama and tragedy. Add to that, a lot of the classic "Hayes code" equivalents of what childrens' cartoons are banned from showing have been rolled back to where now a normalized depiction of a happy gay couple is fine and reasonable and trans representation is even allowed. I think Double Trouble was always referred to as "they/them" in the entire show. pentyne fucked around with this message at 20:49 on May 28, 2020 |
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Avalerion posted:The real villain of captain planet are the planeteers for not sharing the tech powering their plane with everyone. It's powered by the heart of a forsaken child.
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Having read some true garbage urban fantasy stuff like Sherrilyn Kenyon I can safely say aside from spelling errors, typos, etc it's unlikely most fanfiction is going to be as bad as some of the stuff that actually gets published and sold in bookstores.
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Tenebrais posted:It's easy to read Catra and Adora as sisters, having grown up together and been raised by the same parent figure and even dealing with abusive family dynamics. While I like the way their relationship went, something more familial would make just as much sense. Even in S1 it's obvious it's way more then just family from the sheer level of emotion Catra puts out specifically about Adora leaving her and getting other friends. The level of possessiveness alone is enough to go "wait, this isn't normal" no matter what you read off it. It's like a reverse Superntural, it's very easy to figure out Sam and Dean are each other's only family and they don't have non-work friends, but they're 100% not gay for each other despite what the fan-base obsesses over. Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Honestly I just saw that as Catra torpedoing -herself- due to adora's perceived abandonment and rejection. It takes a while to get through those kind of feelings and in the meantime reminders can hurt like gently caress so all you want is to make it go away. Everything about Adora from S1-S4 was Catra always acting irrationally as soon as Adora became a factor and borderline obsessed with showing her up or proving she doesn't need her. The constant attempt to go "look how great I'm doing now" feels like something you see 99% of the time when it comes to a romantic love relationship and not a broken platonic one. The kind of self destruction is linked to a lot deeper issues then "my sister has new friends"
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Honestly not picking up on Catra's feelings in the show is like the least problematic reading of the show I've seen in this thread. Someone calling Shadow Weaver not that bad because she was a mother and all mothers abuse their kids was a real  moment.
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Yeah I'll take a discord invite.
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Incelshok Na posted:Religion does brainwash you, but you have to be open to the brainwashing. This is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted in this thread. You're blaming the victims of cults and horrifically abusive upbringings for being complicit in their own abuse but somehow heroin users are soiled doves who can't help themselves?
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Sorry I can't take anyone seriously when they start throwing out tv tropes terms like "bury your gays" What's next, you start citing scenes as "crowning moment of awesome"? Maybe head back over there? Tumblr might be more your speed although you felt strongly enough about posting on SA you regged while knowing Lowtax still owns it so who knows what your real opinions are.
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Soonmot posted:I also just saw some hitler apologia from them in the USPOL thread so lol They made over 100 posts in 3 days, they can't all be winners.
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