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Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Sadly when they mean continuation I doubt they mean the MOTU series in the early 00's that was really good and killed by CN for... some reason, probably.

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Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Old Kentucky Shark posted:

There was this one bit where He-man does a backflip over a lava pit and Skeletorís jaw drops open and it was one of the funniest bits of perfect comedic timing Iíve ever seen.

On the whole, not a good show though.

I have fond memories of it, although I haven't exactly revisited it. It felt like a decent attempt at making an 80's dumb toy commercial that were animated and seeing what fun you could have with the concept and adding in some continuity, not unlike that Thundercats reboot or Transformers Prime or G.I. Joe Renegades.

Naturally all but one of those series was cancelled unceremoniously which given Netflix might be this show's fate anyway (I worry the same about She-Ra, because there's no rhyme or reason to it).

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Yeah, I don't understand how anyone thought this was a good idea. His Batman run was cringeworthy, save for a somewhat memorable exchange between Batman and a temporarily sane-ish Joker, capped off by Onomatopoeia more or less "fridging" Silver St. Cloud right in front of Bruce by cutting her throat. Smith lost comic cred with me right then and there.

Oh, and in the same series Poison Ivy tries to drug Batman with super-potent THC, mentions her longing for his "tireless tongue," and Silver St. Cloud calls Bruce Wayne "Double D" because "the first night they spent together, they hit 'double digits.'"

She said this to Alfred. Unsolicited. Smith writes snuff/slash fic and he'll probably gently caress up He-Man if they don't rein him in. If anything, it'll be really interesting seeing the dichotomy between the series now that She-Ra is a standalone character and not just He-Man's sister and a vehicle for selling action figures to girls (and five year old Big Headlines).

Please do not forget Bruce's revelation that during a classic scene in Batman: Year One he also pissed himself as he was actually scared to death.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Old Kentucky Shark posted:

To be fair, that cartoon was absolutely hilarious and the best thing Kevin Smith has ever been involved with.

I feel like a good part of that was because the other head writer, Dave Mandel, who worked on Curb Your Enthusiasm and Seinfeld among other things and really has a knack for sitcoms. That said I agree entirely and wish we lived in the world where Clerks took off and Family Guy didn't.

Also if one ever gets their hands on the DVD the commentary featuring Smith, Mandel, the lead animator guy (who went on to work on Kim Possible) plus half the original cast of Clerks is an amazing listen. Mostly they talk about, in essence, selling the show to ABC who did not get what the show was about, did not actually want said show and other things that can come up involving animation, like a very obstinate Korean animation studio.

Oh my God bear is driving.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

tsob posted:

All the 80's shows are getting remakes these days; maybe Dino Riders will get it's turn next. That, or Cadillacs and Dinosaurs; though that's an early 90's show, even if the comics it's adapted from are late 80's stuff. I'm kind of a weirdo though, because the big toy cartoons like He-Man, G.I. Joe and Transformers mostly passed me by somehow, but I loved M.A.S.K., Bravestarr, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors and Botsmaster . They're all basically forgotten though, and are unlikely to get the same kind of attention or rejuvenation at any point. Dino Riders and Cadillacs and Dinosaurs were great too, but quite short lived. Turtles was the only big cartoon I really got in to for whatever reason.

There was an attempt to bring M.A.S.K. back by IDW comics, which was trying to make an expanded Hasbro universe (for lack of a better term) that included Transformers, G.I. Joe, M.A.S.K.,* Rom the Space Knight and others I'm forgetting. None of them exactly set the world on fire save the series that were already trucking along. M.A.S.K. seems to remain in the public consciousness to a degree, but I don't think it's a terribly large degree.

*Like the bad guys in M.A.S.K. - Venom - were formally the high-concept R&D outfit for Cobra and they figured out how to make transforming vehicles by, well, studying Transformers. Stuff like that.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

My strong catgirl daughter made good.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Couldn't get into G.I. Joe for the same reason. =/

Then you missed some episodes where the writers were exceptionally thirsty for the Baroness and Lady Jaye.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Between this and Dragon Prince we've had some top flight main character smooching.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

tsob posted:

Netflix already has two He-Man things lined up, so a third would probably be overkill. Even if it would likely be the best of them.

And one of them is going to be done by Kevin Smith so... yay?

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Xelkelvos posted:

Part of me wished that the 2011 ThunderCats series could be folded into this if only because I thought that show deserved a second chance and the techno fantasy stuff could mesh.

That show had a sad story. Came out of the gate hot, but then got shuffled around at random, got a weak toyline and was part of CN's move away from action shows.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

MechaCrash posted:

Didn't CN ultimately kill it so they could run Legends of Chima, which was Lego Brand-X Thundercats?

That was apparently the final nail in the coffin, yeah.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Anshu posted:

Well, Entrapta is (was?) a reigning princess. Traditionally such do not owe taxes but rather are owed them.

They're making us like the one percent! Wake up people!
-Somebody somewhere without irony, probably

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Endorph posted:

I mean stormtroopers aren't nazis. They're cartoon villains with laser guns. If a dude's talking about how the empire was in the moral right in the movies that's weird, if he's just in the costume it's harmless. It's a fun recognizable design from a popular media thing. A guy in a stormtrooper costume doesn't embody a nazi anymore than a guy in a rebel uniform embodies french resistance fighters.

The problem with the Empire-centric stuff is more and more these days you run into people who call the Rebels terrorists but without irony. It does get... very unsettling sometimes.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

mycot posted:

It's really nuts to think how much bigger Avatar could be as a franchise if the movie had been even slightly competent. It's already incredibly popular despite that.

It really is masterfully inept. It's talked about a lot, but... "You're STANDING ON THE EARTH!" People complain it takes away a major character beat from Katara, which is bad, but they then filter it through the dumbest possible way.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

nine-gear crow posted:

Thatís Teela. Iím gonna chock picture 2 up to a weird angle and expression because she looks MUCH better in her casual gear in picture 3 with Orko. Also itís not in those pictures but I appreciate how they took a cue from the new She-Ra and made Prince Adam legitimately short and scrawny compared to He-Man instead of just He-Man with a shirt on like he was in the original show.

I did like they made Teela buffer than Adam.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Pththya-lyi posted:

Sexism, mostly

I look forward to hearing praises for the show where all the women appear to be tall and muscular from the very same people who complained about how She-Ra was not "feminine" enough.

It's more likely they will also hate the reboot as nothing can compare to their half-remembered memories of the show when they were eight. Complaints on why they aren't 'feminine' enough can power the outrage plant for months.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Larryb posted:

Pretty much yeah (and to be perfectly honest I wasnít really a huge fan of the original shows as a kid. As such SPoP was actually the first show in the franchise I really enjoyed). Speaking of, is the 2002 He-Man series any good?

It was okay. It got cancelled before it could really pay off things.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

nine-gear crow posted:

They're also currently losing their poo poo over Teela's redesign and that Andra is now black, so there's probably gonna be a bunch of He-Man flavoured pissbabies to go with the She-Ra ones too once it all shakes out.

Ah yes, beloved character Andra! It's no wonder people are super passionate about this character so prevalent in every iteration of the franchise that they totally didn't look up on a wiki just like I did now to remember her.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Larryb posted:

So how much did the Horde change personality wise in the remake (or in Catraís case, was any of her original personality actually retained)?

OG Catra was just kind of... vampy, I guess. Not dissimilar to Adam West Batman's Catwoman. Lots of "Purrrrrfects" and such.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

The_Doctor posted:

Madame Razz? Yes, she was more stereotypical daffy witch type.



She was kind of She Ra's Orko, although I think somewhat more effective.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Larryb posted:

So is the Netflix She-Ra series the only one in the franchise with a definitive ending? Also, do the older shows still hold up at all today (I saw a bit of the 80ís He-Man as a kid and didnít really care much for it)?

The original He-Man and She-Ra series both are extremely formulaic and are mostly to sell toys. You might have some fun with the camp charm or playing a drinking game counting how many animation frames are reused but they're not honestly "good." The 2002 series is kind of like the (first) Thundercats reboot or GI Joe Renegades or Transformers Prime, people who grew up on the original trying to turn it into something more than the original source material had and it's not bad, but was cancelled before it could really pay off (the third season was going to have Hordak and - I think - She-Ra).

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Larryb posted:

I forget, how much was Horde Prime involved with the 80ís series? I know in SPoP he takes over as the primary antagonist after a while.

He's always mostly just Hordak's boss. The smog and giant robot hand that threatens Hordak if he doesn't make it work THIS time.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

You can get 1-3 on Amazon right now for like $15 USD.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Nice, Cringer talks. He didn't in the early aughts reboot (I guess with Stinkor and Moss Man around a talking tiger was seen as too "out there").

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

RareAcumen posted:

A weird line to draw when Scooby Doo and Garfield were already a thing

The 00s He-Man was trying to go for a more serious tone, which I guess precluded a talking tiger.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

FilthyImp posted:

I wouldn't be surprised. That whole Toys That Made Us episode revolves around increasingly blown-up claims to get the toys greenlit (Oh, yeah, of course we have a LIMITED ISSUE COLLECTOR'S EDITION comic it's, uh, packed in with every figure! Cartoon series? We're writing the pilot right now!)

I still love Battle Cat is thanks to them already having an unrelated tiger toy that would just so happen to be usable as a mount for the line.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Yeah, New Adventures He-Man wasn't even on Eternia, like he and Skeletor got transplanted for whatever reason and it was just not good.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Azubah posted:

DC published it and it's written by Dan Abnett, it's a fun series.

Yeah, although it might take some getting used to Teela who spins like a lot of her time in a fur bikini to start and then a metal one.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

side_burned posted:

The franchise has always been Frank Frizta for kids.

The nice part about character designs is you can change them.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

nine-gear crow posted:

Luckily a lot of these same channels get mad over everything pop-culture related so I whacked all of them years ago when they started screaming about The Last Jedi and have never had to deal with them directly since.

That comes in handy since a lot of the outrage miners are calling it the worst betrayal SINCE Last Jedi.

There's also a small but spirited effort to talk about the 'controversy.'

https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1420565042274111492

Imagine trying to say 'because somebody called the Critical Drinker said it was bad!'

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

nine-gear crow posted:

Also maybe it's just me but it seems like in the intervening week since its release the majority of the white hot hatred for the show online has kind of burned itself out and given way to people who actually really like the show gushing about it. Which, if I'm not mistaken was basically what happened with She-Ra too, wasn't it?

Yeah, that small edit war on Wikipedia over MotU:R to talk about the "controversy" which included the amazing phrase 'establishment of feminism' is now over, it having been scrubbed and instead has reviews from places like the AV Club and Daily Beast and not, you know, the Quartering and the Critical Drinker. They also talk about the review-bombing. I'm sure we'll get more 'content' over it but it's mostly a Dennis Nedry "See, nobody cares" situation now.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Larryb posted:

Speaking of, do the original 80ís He-Man and She-Ra still hold up ok? I havenít heard a lot of good things about New Adventures either aside from maybe Skeletor

Personally speaking while there's some camp appeal I honestly couldn't point to specific episodes I recall like I could with Transformers or G.I. Joe that made the series stand out from the animated advertisement the show was so if you go into it not expecting a whole lot you might enjoy yourself. And I hate how cynical that sounds. Although you might find yourself irritated when you realize things like they wouldn't let She-Ra brawl like He-Man did because Standards and Practices called that 'unfeminine' or whatever.

I remember being excited to see the original Thundercats when it hit Toonami waaaaay back when and realizing "oh, no, this isn't very good."

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

nine-gear crow posted:

Fuuuuck yeah, I've never seen a show just deleted from public consciousness like House of Cards was, with GoT being a close second.

It does feel like Kristen Bell's resume jumps from Veronica Mars to The Good Place.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

nine-gear crow posted:

Hey, she was on Heroes for a bit too. Oh wait, New Veronica Mars. lol there was another show that also got erased from public discourse for just making GBS threads the bed and just lying in it for four years too long (Heroes, I mean).

People like to blame the writer's strike but even during season one, "the good part," kinda... wasn't?

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

nine-gear crow posted:

The common example for the lifespan of an average Netflix animated series is something like Carmen Sandiego, which made it 4 seasons and still managed to end on its own terms, but the final season reeked of Netflix pulling the plug on it and going "wrap everything up and get out. Now."

I'm surprised Dragon Prince got all the seasons the creators wanted.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Being the little poo poo that I was, I remember being ticked off on January 28, 1986 because the all-day/all-night coverage of the Challenger accident pre-empted She-Ra and really had made school that day a real downer.

If it helps, I was home sick that day so it was both 'lie on the couch, feel miserable, watch those poor people on the rocket blow up AND not even get cartoons' because you have your priorities in order when you're like 6.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Yeah, it's established canon that she is/was an astronaut who got lost in space and ended up in Etheria.

I had a He-Man kid's book when I was young that said the same for some of Skeletor's flunkies. Beastman, Tri-Clops and Evil-Lynn. One other I forget. I don't think that one stuck anywhere, though.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Soonmot posted:

i never knew that

It's how Christmas came to Eternia.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

nine-gear crow posted:

Well, I hope Cowboy Bebop getting walked out back and shot in the head doesn't spell trouble for a second season of Revelation. Because while they both got the same amount of pissing and moaning for the peanut gallery, unlike Bebop, He-Man was actually good and liked by critics.

While I don't think Revelation is in trouble I do wonder if in a larger sense Netflix has started to expect Arcane or Witcher-level success from shows.

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Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Larryb posted:

Really? If itís the one Iím thinking of Iíve heard almost nothing but bad things about that particular adaption

Voltron was pretty well regarded (aside from a segment of the fandom into shipping, they went a bit off the rails) up until the end. One character died and that was a bad look because of who it was and its representation was a bit sketchy. There's still some good stuff if you like the property and I'm sure you've seen a lot worse than Voltron's failings.

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