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i assume the show is shot in vancouver like every other cheap/canadian tv show despite the fact its set in seattle?
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Jose posted:i assume the show is shot in vancouver like every other cheap/canadian tv show despite the fact its set in seattle? It's totally Vancouver, when 001 runs out of the WTC it's Oceanic Plaza which has been in just about every CW show.
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MacKenzie Porter and Patrick Gilmore (Marcy and David) talking about Season 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJvlBdXoB2I e: Patrick Gilmore really loves being part of this show 
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Jan 6, 2019 13:16
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God they have such amazing chemistry, no wonder they're the favorite couple It helps that David is such a lovable goof and they apparently have to tone down Mackenzie's beauty, but they obviously just naturally enjoy flirting and joking together it feels so wholesome
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Jan 6, 2019 14:24
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Yeah in full makeup she's pretty breathtaking 
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Jan 6, 2019 14:27
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They did a great job of writing David as such an earnest character, probably the truest line is when he won the lottery by spying on Marcy's numbers and then gave all the money away, he was like "it sounded like a lot of money, but everything is so drat expensive". Which is how every lottery win fantasy goes in my mind, regardless of the jackpot. Hell, a friend of mine won $250k last year and he spent 100% of it on a house before he even told me he won. David is one of the most perfect, honest, and internally consistent characters ever written. He's an inspiration even as fiction.
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Jan 10, 2019 08:17
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This show was a lot fun. I binged through Continuum based on previous posts. That was fun too, with future sci-fi, but I feel Travelers has a tighter script and really great production values. And they're smart to stay away from scenes of the future, for keeping down costs and to let your imagination create the horrors of it. I agree Kat being a traveler of some sort would be an interesting exercise for the plot and for the Leah Cairns to play some other emotions/character. I do think that 3468 should have done a bit more history homework for Mac from the very beginning. That would have been a big part of Traveler training, as much as anything—it's Protocol 2 and 5—why wouldn't he know more of his background or teased out the histories, or looked through photo albums, or filled in gaps with semi-friends/acquaintances on the sly? Plus he's in the FBI! He could have faked a bit of amnensia (at some point early on) when he got in one of his first scuffles/fights, with bruises and came home or pretended he couldn't remember some bits and got Kat to 'jog his memory' or something, or say he got dosed with some bad-guys extra-strength Rohypnol, or such. It wouldn't erase Kat's concerns and suspicions that grow more and more, later on—but it would make the storytelling more logical if they showed that 3468 tried to do his best instead of like just being Mr. Lazy Time-Guy, getting cornered by Kat. I guess that is his character's Achilles heel. He definitely blew it. How/when do we know if they get to do another season or not?
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Jan 13, 2019 20:41
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I also thought why not just say you took a serious blow to the head and have a friendly doctor mock up a chart or something.
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Jan 13, 2019 21:04
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Considering that hundreds if not thousands of travellers arrived before the group we follow, the whole operation seems super amateurish. I know that it makes for better tv, but you would think our group were the first people to ever travel to the past.
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E: How the hell did I end up here instead of The Orville thread?
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Jan 13, 2019 21:34
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Milo and POTUS posted:I also thought why not just say you took a serious blow to the head and have a friendly doctor mock up a chart or something.
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Jan 14, 2019 05:16
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LloydDobler posted:David is one of the most perfect, honest, and internally consistent characters ever written. He's an inspiration even as fiction. “David was the best of humanity. That’s literally what he represented.”
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Jan 14, 2019 06:01
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Pretty good season. Mac's marriage dramas started to wear thin on me but the season finished strongly. It would've been cool if at the end there was a Black Mirror kind of twist, where instead of it saying traveller program version 1 failed, it instead had a number in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Alluding to how much of a lost cause saving the future is.
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Jan 14, 2019 08:38
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Fanatic posted:Pretty good season. Mac's marriage dramas started to wear thin on me but the season finished strongly. That would have been a fantastic twist. If the series doesn't get renewed, it'll be a real shame they didn't do that tbh
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Fanatic posted:It would've been cool if at the end there was a Black Mirror kind of twist, where instead of it saying traveller program version 1 failed, it instead had a number in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Alluding to how much of a lost cause saving the future is. That sounds like a horribly depressing ending, it's bad enough when Black Mirror does it.
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Jan 14, 2019 11:58
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Yeah, the protagonists failed, but I don't think they wanted such a massive downer of an ending as that.
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Jan 14, 2019 12:04
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They've (presumably) been trained their whole life by a seemingly omniescient AI that they believe to be infallible (while it fucks up all the time). The Director either doesn't care about the Travelers' personal lives, or it doesn't want them to be too comfortable in case they'd drop their mission and just live a utopian life compared to the future. Or it doesn't have anything to go on to teach the travelers, as it only knows what snippets of social media survived 400 years into the future. I think I would have liked this to be version 17 or something, and we got to see some of the earlier versions in season 4 where it'd be travelers immediately forgetting about the mission for a life of gluttony and stuff like that. No Faction, but everyone is like 001.
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LloydDobler posted:Hell, a friend of mine won $250k last year and he spent 100% of it on a house before he even told me he won. They always say that rule #1 when you win the lottery is to not tell anyone, #2 is seriously don’t tell anyone, and #3 is to get a lawyer.
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Jan 14, 2019 14:46
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I'm totally fine with this being Version 1 considering how amateur hour most of the missions turned out to be. I think this show is in a really tough spot for Season 4 where the writers will really need to hit it out of the park, but I'm super excited for it.
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The allocation of traveller numbers seems peculiar to me. Sometimes it's just straight up what order you got sent back in (5002, 5003, 5004... in 17 Minutes) and then at other points it's seemingly more about seniority in the future. Like all the programmers get status symbol low numbers. And Trevor has a low number because presumably he's been part of the program as an engineer for hundreds of years before being sent back. But then that doesn't make a lot of sense either. The programmers don't seem to be older than Trevor. And they don't seem to be from before he was sent, although this could be the case. And then the first traveller is 001. Which makes sense but then did the director have a change of heart and keep numbers 002-099 for programmers who were staying around? OrthoTrot fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Jan 14, 2019 |
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Jan 14, 2019 18:15
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Besides just being probably assigned on entry to the program, regardless of actual Travel, in Traveler 0027 when you get her talking to what I assume are other programmers, which seem to be a sort of ruling class/hierarchy, the implication seems to be that all the programmers are hella old. I think it might genuinely just be chronological for the most part or in full because if 0115 is that old there's no reason the people responsible on some level for the Director wouldn't be as well. There's only so much that VFX and makeup can do for "literally hundreds of years old" and the general implication that the future is ruled by a class of rleatively ancientsociopaths who believe they know best (and believe wholly in a very fallible robot when they don't) is one of the more hosed up implications the show makes. Of course it's entirely possible I missed something else and I only just finished S2 tonight. Really liking it though, even if I keep pausing every once and a while to have flashbacks to literally every other Canadian sci-fi show because they're usually great but man are they a whole thing. Orv fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Jan 15, 2019 |
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Jan 15, 2019 13:11
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OrthoTrot posted:The allocation of traveller numbers seems peculiar to me. Sometimes it's just straight up what order you got sent back in (5002, 5003, 5004... in 17 Minutes) and then at other points it's seemingly more about seniority in the future. Like all the programmers get status symbol low numbers. And Trevor has a low number because presumably he's been part of the program as an engineer for hundreds of years before being sent back. Trevor is old as gently caress because he was already old as gently caress when he was first transferred to a new body. Presumably the others were much younger when they were assigned their numbers.
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OrthoTrot posted:The allocation of traveller numbers seems peculiar to me. Sometimes it's just straight up what order you got sent back in (5002, 5003, 5004... in 17 Minutes) and then at other points it's seemingly more about seniority in the future. Like all the programmers get status symbol low numbers. And Trevor has a low number because presumably he's been part of the program as an engineer for hundreds of years before being sent back. The programmers probably have been consciousness transferring without time travel to stay alive, and they got their numbers then.
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Lycus posted:The programmers probably have been consciousness transferring without time travel to stay alive, and they got their numbers then. That's fine up to a point but it's explicitly established that Trevor is the oldest consciousness that's ever existed. Multiple people acknowledge this, including 027. If he has been body jumping before her why would his number be higher? I think the three digit numbers are probably reserved for the technocratic elite once the experiment with the grand plan got underway. And it's never stated clearly but it's not impossible 001 was a programmer.
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Jan 15, 2019 20:00
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They might have reserved 001 for the first to actually go back in time. And then maybe random assignments under a certain number for the people working on the program. Then actual travelers are incremental above a certain number.
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Someone in the old thread thought it was something like the induction numbers NASA astronauts get. 001 is the first real attempt to shoot someone into the past, 004 was a specialist who set up their network, 027 is a programmer, 0115 was the first test subjects for consciousness transfer. Presumably, everyone from 1XXX onward is a traveler and probably sequential. Mack and Carly are like 2 numbers apart. We only saw the main cast when they were overwritten but it seems like it's possible multiple travelers arrived in between the Carly and Mack
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Jan 15, 2019 21:46
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Cojawfee posted:They might have reserved 001 for the first to actually go back in time. And then maybe random assignments under a certain number for the people working on the program. Then actual travelers are incremental above a certain number. That's also plausible because it's explained as a test. He has no tasks to accomplish as such. So presumably there wouldn't be a program to sign up to and be given a number in until after he'd been sent back.
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Fanatic posted:Pretty good season. Mac's marriage dramas started to wear thin on me but the season finished strongly. I would absolutely flip the gently caress out Shamelessly stolen from the Legends of Tomorrow thread: The Director 100% went Protocol Omega on our timeline HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jan 15, 2019 |
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Jan 15, 2019 21:49
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We never saw any 5 digit travelers, did we?
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Jan 15, 2019 23:09
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Did they kill off that other AI that got self aware from the nano bots? Or did it merge with The Director? Would be cool if it became a second Director
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I think the more plainly apparent problem with the Traveler numbers is that Grant should have highest number because of the "we can only send a traveler after the last sent message/traveler" rule they established later. So it's probably just a bit-dirty retcon.
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Fried Watermelon posted:Did they kill off that other AI that got self aware from the nano bots? It was offered its own hosted domain free from the director's direct control but under its protection in the future to grow and mature, as atonement and apology from the Director for accidentally making it in the first place.
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Lycus posted:I think the more plainly apparent problem with the Traveler numbers is that Grant should have highest number because of the "we can only send a traveler after the last sent message/traveler" rule they established later. So it's probably just a bit-dirty retcon. Maybe not. They could get their traveler numbers based on when they enter the program, not when they actually go back. So people enter the program, get their number and start training. Then the director decides how to team people up and then finds appropriate bodies for them to replace. Then you have cases like that skydiver where the travelers are incremental. That could simply be a case where they need someone quickly that isn't already training for a specific mission. So they recruit someone for one specific mission, it fails, they grab someone else. It does make me wonder how time passes in the future. It doesn't have to match up at all. Send a message back, it doesn't work, a few seconds later send a message that arrives hours or days after the first one. It could also be the other way around. Like with that skydiver. Train someone, send them back. That person fails, so they take a week to get someone else spun up, and send them back a few seconds after the first one.
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Cojawfee posted:Maybe not. They could get their traveler numbers based on when they enter the program, not when they actually go back. So people enter the program, get their number and start training. Then the director decides how to team people up and then finds appropriate bodies for them to replace. Then you have cases like that skydiver where the travelers are incremental. That could simply be a case where they need someone quickly that isn't already training for a specific mission. So they recruit someone for one specific mission, it fails, they grab someone else. It does make me wonder how time passes in the future. It doesn't have to match up at all. Send a message back, it doesn't work, a few seconds later send a message that arrives hours or days after the first one. It could also be the other way around. Like with that skydiver. Train someone, send them back. That person fails, so they take a week to get someone else spun up, and send them back a few seconds after the first one. I do not think 001 was the first person to enter the program, so it's more likely to me that they retconned between S1 and S2 and the retcon is a tad sloppy. He's smart, but he doesn't talk like the actual founder of the program.
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I covered that earlier, he probably got 001 for being the first person to actually go back. Certain people might get special numbers.
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Cojawfee posted:I covered that earlier, he probably got 001 for being the first person to actually go back. Certain people might get special numbers. Multiple explanations for the numbers is exactly why I think it's a retcon. It's okay with me that they changed it, but yeah, I think they changed it between S1 and S2.
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goku i won't do what u tell me
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KRILLIN IN THE NAME posted:Maybe the numbering system changed as a result of travellers going back The Faction changed the numbers! 
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The number system is the main clue that the Director exists outside of time or is aware of multiple timelines in which it exists. Otherwise, there would be travelers with identical numbers by accident from different futures. For instance, in one future, they saved that dome that was supposed to collapse. That would've resulted in a bunch of new potential travelers all with their own numbers. It doesn't even have to be that dome. Just one new person who didn't exist before could shift the entire chronology of the numbers around.
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Rather than an intentional hint of anything, I think the retcon is the writers realizing that birth-numbers don't make sense for that very reason. But I do think birth-numbers was the intention while writing S1.
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