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The Iron Rose posted:I'm furious about our immigration policy. It's racist, horrifying, and we were literally putting children in internment camps. I'm sure we still are. This poo poo has killed people and should be condemned from the rooftops by the whole loving world. It's a crime against human decency and we should be welcoming immigrants with open arms by the boatload because they work harder, commit fewer crimes, and make this country the economic and scientific juggernaut - and because it's right! What we're doing is not okay, and yes, the fact that this is what we're doing makes me angry because it goes against everything our nation should be - against everything ever nation should be. Taking "the high road" in splitting hairs on precisely how dedicated ICE and CBP are to their holocaust cosplay is a terrible decision. Those policies led directly to those images and it doesn't matter who exactly was holding the marker. If they weren't being loving nazis then poo poo that draws extremely blunt comparisons to the holocaust wouldn't happen.
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Huh I understood way more of that than I figured. Like 10%.
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Syrian Lannister posted:In good news, that Dallas cop who shot the guy in his own apartment is being charged with murder, and not manslaughter They're gonna let her walk They're gonna say "murder as a charge was prosecutorial overreach" and she's gonna get away with killing an innocent man because all cops are shitters and the "justice" system in Dallas isn't gonna lock up a cop The last time a Dallas cop was convicted of murder they literally played "Russian Roulette but *I* pull the trigger" with a goddamned child handcuffed in their cruiser, and for the heinous act of literally pressing their duty revolver to the kid's head and blowing his brains out that cop served two and a half years Make of this what you will
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There's also the fact that the reason they're getting numbers in the first place is because we're blocking a lawful point of entry in direct violation of ~international norms~ and actual laws. You don't block that poo poo, that's the entire point of claiming asylum. It's like showing up to an emergency room with profound bleeding but you're refused timely service because there's too much blood on the floor now.
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Yeah keep in mind every single "crisis" at the border for the entirety of Trump's tenure in office has, is and will be absolutely intentional and purposely manufactured specifically for the inevitable legislative response that will follow. Don't for a single loving nanosecond fall for the Fox propaganda that our borders are becoming lovely places because of any actions other than those specifically and directly taken by American policy makers and the racist cumstains enforcing them. Nothing that happens on the southern border is an accident, fully including the purposeful human suffering, deaths and social instability.
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You know how people say “I don’t mind immigrants, but they should do the legal process”? ICE is physically preventing them from doing that.
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The Iron Rose posted:I'm furious about our immigration policy. It's racist, horrifying, and we were literally putting children in internment camps. I'm sure we still are. This poo poo has killed people and should be condemned from the rooftops by the whole loving world. It's a crime against human decency and we should be welcoming immigrants with open arms by the boatload because they work harder, commit fewer crimes, and make this country the economic and scientific juggernaut - and because it's right! What we're doing is not okay, and yes, the fact that this is what we're doing makes me angry because it goes against everything our nation should be - against everything ever nation should be. Glad people like you are here to actively distinguish between USA in 2018 and Nazi Germany.
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Syrian Lannister posted:In good news, that Dallas cop who shot the guy in his own apartment is being charged with murder, and not manslaughter This isn’t necessarily good news. They might be able to convict a cop of manslaughter because it’s way easier to prove than Murder in this case. Juries are (thought to be at least) hesitant to convict cops of the most serious crimes. Charging her with murder probably made it easier to beat the rap.
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It's 💯 to help her beat the rain and I hope for the worst to be done against her.
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Dec 1, 2018 21:15
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Then there's the people that say getting citizenship is too easy or that we're just handing out money and benefits to illegals. Like goddamn people, we don't hand out benefits to our own natural born citizens half the time. It took my ex-fiance 13 years to get citizenship. She came here as a bona fide refugee fleeing an internationally recognized civil war. If anybody in her family had a criminal record while waiting then that person would probably not have gotten citizenship. Nowadays the Trump administration would have probably just said 'nah' and just denied it anyway.
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Vasudus posted:Then there's the people that say getting citizenship is too easy or that we're just handing out money and benefits to illegals.  And take note of the date, 2008. It's gotten a WHOLE FUCKLOAD worse.
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yeah if you're from India right now the waitlist is 75 years
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Even Fox gave away the story yesterday when they admitted (let slip?) that the same sort of caravans have been happening forever and no one cared before, which I assume was "look now we're doing something about it" but also giving away that it's political theater.
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bird food bathtub posted:
This exact graphic is what changed me from "we need to fix our immigration laws but people shouldn't illegally immigrate anyway" to "open borders yesterday". Also note this is from, of all places, the notorious Libertarian rag Reason Magazine.
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Dec 1, 2018 21:46
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Listen we're not literally wearing swastika armbands so comparing us to nazi germany is extremely misleading
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mods changed my name posted:Listen we're not literally wearing swastika armbands so comparing us to nazi germany is extremely misleading The arms on our swastikas go the other way
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I know it's not a rational thought, so I don't plan on really commenting on it in the course of a discussion, but even the image of putting numbers on immigrants' forearms conjures up something so visceral in me I'm loving beyond myself
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Since there’s too many to handle we ought to put them into certain areas, so that we can concentrate them in one spot.
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Woof Blitzer posted:Since there’s too many to handle we ought to put them into certain areas, so that we can concentrate them in one spot. I thought they had that with the detention camps that were run by contractors
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orange juche posted:I thought they had that with the detention camps that were run by contractors But there needs to be a better, less temporary solution. Something more final.
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Woof Blitzer posted:But there needs to be a better, less temporary solution. Something more final. While im sure a shower would be nice after crossing a hot desert, where are you going to get water to wash them off in a desert?
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http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/oct/26/rep-matt-shea-takes-credit-criticism-for-document-/quote:Washington state Rep. Matt Shea acknowledged Wednesday he had distributed a four-page manifesto titled “Biblical Basis for War,” which describes the Christian God as a “warrior,” details the composition and strategies of a “Holy Army” and condemns abortion and same-sex marriage.
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I'm not seeing the context in which using that sentence would be cool Matt.
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orange juche posted:While im sure a shower would be nice after crossing a hot desert, where are you going to get water to wash them off in a desert? Don't forget they'll also need large industrial ovens to do some bread baking.
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BigDave posted:http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/oct/26/rep-matt-shea-takes-credit-criticism-for-document-/ How in the gently caress do you take that out of context
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orange juche posted:How in the gently caress do you take that out of context It's supposed to be a figure of speech guys! Kill them all and let the (republican) christian god sort them out, it's kind of a metaphore duh.
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TF CURES GENERATOR posted:Because of this: We are absolutely the baddies, but there's nothing in that article about the US pushing for people to have numbers drawn on their skin. The part you quoted was to get people off a literal bridge, which is not a good place to hang out. Vasudus posted:That's fair, at least we're only violating international asylum laws by blocking free movement to established ports of entry. This is where the focus should be. Because this is the part that we're doing, intentionally, knowing that it's loving wrong. Godholio fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Dec 1, 2018 |
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man, maybe a bit apathetic but it seems like every time there’s a big reveal that will surely get Trump this time! It all blows over and everything just carries on per usual with his hateful rhetoric and thinly veiled meddling with his plutocratic cronies Trust me, I’d celebrate the day he actually got pinned for something, and subsequently punished, but idk Just rambling here
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If anything it's showing just how dangerous it is to have the bulk of our so-called ethics as "regulations" or "bylaws" instead of actual, honest-to-god loving laws. Because they're all made by the rich and powerful to protect the rich and powerful, with ethics stuff mostly there to prevent something incredibly egregious that will rile up the common masses. But I don't really see a lot of that changing, even if the senate were flipped. Because Democrats abuse the system too.
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I mean every page of CE since forever has something on Trump that would absolutely gently caress the common citizen but nothing ever loving happens. I’m just disheartened about it all
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That's the problem at the heart of it though. Not only are the senior admin people not common citizens, they don't give a poo poo about anything short of actual laws (for anybody that isn't Trump) and even actual laws can't stop Trump. We literally have no mechanism in place that can reign in a president (or cabinet member, sometimes) that just doesn't give a poo poo. Because it's never been a *real* problem before - you get the news to talk about it, a few soundbites from congress, and then they fall on their sword and gently caress off to K street. Not this time though.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:This isn’t necessarily good news. They might be able to convict a cop of manslaughter because it’s way easier to prove than Murder in this case. Juries are (thought to be at least) hesitant to convict cops of the most serious crimes. Charging her with murder probably made it easier to beat the rap. Wasabi the J posted:It's 💯 to help her beat the rain and I hope for the worst to be done against her. Uhhh the grand jury made the decision?
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They are just pissed at having their asses handed to them by a bunch of ER doctors.
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We support gun rights. Also gently caress you doctors and gently caress you athletes and please torture prisoners. Check out this cool guy we pay who is a known pedophile. NRA members: we literally can’t do better than this! 
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Uhhh the grand jury made the decision? The DA files the charges, and decides what the charge is. Not the Grand Jury. And a Grand Jury win doesn’t mean poo poo really since they only see and hear what the DA has to say and show. They have a 95%+ win rate at the Grand Jury in a lot of jurisdictions. Also in some jurisdictions the accused has the right to appear before the Grand Jury.
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It sucks that it's hard to find a non-NRA range but it's probably getting easier/will be easier if more companies refuse to underwrite or reinsure their asses.
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FAUXTON posted:It sucks that it's hard to find a non-NRA range but it's probably getting easier/will be easier if more companies refuse to underwrite or reinsure their asses. Maybe we need to form a alternative gun group, the American Firearm Association or something.
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