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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



Last month's thread is here. November was a very busy month in the world of the UFC thread. We had weekly UFC events, our Lord & Savior Sage was cut from the organization, and more. We were treated towards the end of the month to a series of documentary videos by SBNation entitled “Fighting in the Age of Loneliness” by Felix Biederman and Jon Bois which gave us the title of our thread for the month. The five video series was really good and worth watching. Enjoy the first episode here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oNB6tlSZ2A

November Recap

The UFC events in November were fast and they were certainly furious. First we had UFC 230 featuring a Heavyweight title bout between the Hot Balls of Derrick Lewis and the Cool Dadness of Daniel Cormier. The main event saw Cormier dispatch Lewis handily with an early submission in the 2nd round. The co-main event saw Middleweight contenders Ronaldo Souza and Chris Weidman square off. The two came into the event on losing streaks, and it was Weidman who suffered another loss. The fight was great and saw Weidman taking the lead early, but succumbing to the curse that is fighting in New York if your name is Weidman. Jacare mounted a comeback and a glancing blow to the top of Weidman’s head sent the Strong Island native to the mat until the awkward moment when the referee decided to step in while Souza stood asking for the fight to be done.



Also on the UFC 230 card was a solid Middlweight matchup between Derek Brunson and Israel Adesanya. The fight was fairly one sided as Brunson failed to mount any significant offense and his area of strength in the fight, wrestling, was nullified by Adesanya’s takedown defense. The bout didn’t last long as Adesanya put Brunson away with a clear TKO after a series of knockdowns.

https://i.gifer.com/3NoiN.mp4

The rest of the card was stacked with a series of solid matchups and worth catching if you haven’t already.

The next week the UFC traveled to the Mile High City to celebrate 25 years of Dana White being a fight genius with UFC Fight Night: Korean Zombie vs Rodriguez. The card saw a serious candidate for fight of the year between Yair Rodriguez and The Korean Zombie Chan Sung Jung. The fight was, per the judges, Jungs going into the final round. However in a final flury Rodriguez landed an awkward to spot elbow that clipped Jungs jaw knocking the Korean fighter out in the final second. It’s a hard thing to describe so take in the gif and watch it multiple times to comprehend it.

https://i.imgur.com/PHYi8Hy.mp4

In the co-main event of the evening we saw Donald Cerrone and Mike Perry settle their Jackson-Wink beef in the cage and witnessed Cerrone cement himself as a bonafide legend within the UFC earning himself the distinction of being the fighter with the Most Finishes (15) and also holding the title of Most Wins in the UFC (21). Cerrone clinched his titles via a first round armbar submission.



Part of his celebration saw him bring out Dacson, his son whose name is basically Donald Anthony Cerrone’s Son, who himself was wearing a Bad Motherfucker Ranch belt buckle and cowboy boots.



The week after that the UFC traveled south to Buenos Aires for UFC Fight Night: Magny vs Ponzinibbio. The card continued November’s trend of a handful of great fights. One such fight was between Johnny Walker and Khalil Rountree, where the Brazilian fighter scored an impressive knockout via an elbow from the clinch on Rountree.

https://i.imgur.com/Ow9KLIj.mp4

We also saw Santaigo Ponzinibbio take on Neil Magny in the main event where the Argentinian worked over Magny with painful to watch leg kicks throughout the entire fight. Magny seemed to have had trouble with his leg early into the fight and, after a prolonged beating they took including several knockdowns causing Magny to drop to the canvas, Ponzinibbio scored a clean knockout halfway through the 4th round.

https://i.imgur.com/3NSWzAT.mp4

The next weekend the UFC traveled to China and held their first event in Beijing with UFC Fight Night: Blaydes vs Ngannou 2. The card had a handful of fun fights, some of them featuring local Chinese fighters. One such fight on the undercard was the bout between Welterweights Li Jingliang and David Zawada where The Leech, Jingliang, scored a nice spinning back kick right to Zawada’s liver, setting up a clean TKO victory.

https://i.gifer.com/3NpIk.mp4

Alistair Overeem took on Sergey Pavlovich in the co-main event in Pavlovich’s UFC debut. The two heavyweights spent little time trying to put each other out. Overeem was able to take the fight to the ground from the clinch, and quickly followed up with a strong series of punches that put Pavlovich out giving The Demolition Man a TKO victory.

https://i.gifer.com/3NpIb.mp4

Finally in the main event, Francis Ngannou and Curtis Blaydes faced off in a rematch of their 2016 meeting. Two year prior, Ngannou beat Blaydes after causing swelling so bad that it blocked Blaydes’ vision. The rematch resulted in the same outcome, albeit a bit different in terms of a finish. Ngannou remained the victor, but his finish of the fight was far cleaner as he dropped Blaydes and left him rocked as he scrambled back to his feet. The referee had seen enough however and Blaydes protested as Ngannou celebrated his first victory since his bid for the UFC Heavyweight title.

https://i.gifer.com/3NpIn.mp4

Finally, the returned home to Vegas for the TUF: Heavy Hitters finale. In the main event, former UFC Lightweight Champion and Welterweight Interim Champion contender Rafael Dos Anjos squared off with perennial contender Kamaru Usman. The fight saw Usman use his size and strength to outwork RDA and smother him from bell to bell for all five rounds earning the Nigerian Nightmare a Unanimous Decision.

In the co-main event and featured fight, the TUF 28 brackets were finished with fighters in the Heavyweight and Women’s Featherweight division crowned as the newest TUF Winners. In the Heavyweight final, Juan Espino secured a first round submission (straight armlock) against Justin Frazier. Macy Chiasson took a bit longer and needed two rounds to win her contract via a RNC over Pannie Kianzad. Also on the card Valentina Shevchenko’s sister, Antonina, earned a Unanimous Decision win over Korea’s Ji Yeon Kim. In addition we witnessed the return of Edmund “Greatest Trainer in History” Tarverdyan walk his new meal ticket, Edmen Shhahbazyan, to the ring against Darren Stewart via a decision victory. Both Shevchenko and Shahbazyan are pickups from this summer’s edition of Dana White’s Tuesday Night Contender Series. In addition, Joeseph Benevidez showed he is still game to fight as he took out Alex Perez in a Flyweight fight.

UFC events in December

The UFC will be celebrating the end of 2018 with four fights to close out the end of the year and say good bye to the FOX landscape on their way over to ESPN. First on December 2nd, the UFC travels down under to Austrial for UFC Fight Night: dos Santos vs Tuivasa live from the Adelaide Entertainment Centre. The main event will see Heavyweight slugger Tai Tuivasa take one former UFC Heavyweight champion Junior dos Santos. The card will also host the final fight of Mark Hunt’s career as he looks to take on fellow heavyweight Willis. Included on the card is also Mauricio “Shogun” Rua facing off in another Light Heavyweight bout against yet another up and coming talent in the form of Tyson Pedro. Most of us just want Rua to retire as he’s well past his prime but then again, he could pull out a crazy win so hey why not I guess.

A week later the UFC will travel back to Canada for UFC 231: Holloway vs Ortega. The main event is the long awaited Featherweight title clash between Brian Ortega and Max Holloway. The pair were expected to fight back at UFC 226 but Holloway was pulled due to having “concussion like symptoms” just a few days from the event, with no further details being provided on it since. The co-main event will see the UFC Women’s Flyweight Championship be claimed by former Muay Thai competitors Valentina Shevchenko and Joanna Jedrzejczyk. The two have yet to face off in MMA but their Muay Thai history provides an interesting backdrop for the title that was vacated earlier this year.

One week after that the UFC will visit Wisconsin for UFC on Fox: Lee vs Iaquinta 2 which will also serve as the final full card the UFC will host on FOX (this is not including prelims). The main event is a rematch between former Lightweight title contenders Kevin Lee and Al Iaquinta. The two faced off in 2014 where Iaquinta won the bout via a Unanimous Decision in an exciting fight. Included on the card is Edson Barboza taking on Dan Hooker, Rob Font () facing off against Sergio Pettis and Bobby Green fighting Drakkar Klose (Skyrim boss?).

To finish off the month, the UFC returns to their home in Las Vegas for UFC 232: Jones vs Gustafsson 2 on December 29th. We will witness the return of Jon “WTF USADA?” Jones as he looks to claim his 3rd UFC Light Heavyweight Championship against not Daniel Cormier but his original rival, Alexander Gustafsson. The two had a fight of the year contest back in 2013 where Jones came out the victor via judges decision. Most felt that Gustafsson had given Jones the hardest test of his career, outside of actual drug tests. Will Jones return equally as impressive as he was in the past, or will he show up and look like he did against OSP? Or, will he show up, look good, but piss hot again? Tune in to find out in the continuing adventures of Jonny Bones Jones and USADA! The co-main event will see UFC Women’s Bantamweight Champion Amanda Nunes step up to 145 lbs to take on UFC Women’s Featherweight Champion Cristiano “Cyborg” Justino. This is, most genuinely, the hardest test Justino has faced in probably her whole career, though you could probably argue Holly Holm was one as well. The rest of the card features Chad Mendes, Ilir Latifi, and a really confusing matchup between Ryan Hall and BJ Penn because apparently BJ Penn still had a fight contract despite not fighting in a year and being on a 5 fight losing streak. Again, just like Rua, we kind of want BJ to just retire and save his body for surfing and smoking weed on the beach instead.

UFC News

Following their trading of former UFC Flyweight Champion Demetrius Johnson, the UFC hinted at shutting down the entire Men’s Flyweight division, something current champion Henry Cejudo alluded to on his JRE podcast appearance. The division is set to be shut down by the end of the year, meaning this is the last month the child fighters will be watchable in the UFC before heading off to Asia to fight in Rizin and ONE. However at the TUF 28 post-fight press conference White stated things are still being sorted out so we may still see tiny punch men, or we may know. Who the hell knows anymore.

Speaking of ONE Championship, it was revealed towards the end of the month that the hero of the UFC Thread and UFC Welterweight & Lightweight fighter, Sage Northcutt, was released by the UFC and quickly found a new home with ONE Championship. Our remarks about his Twitter posts will now be relegated to the B-League thread.

Former Bellator and ONE Championship champion Ben Askren has been linked to a fight against former UFC Welterweight champion Robbie Lawler, which would be Askrens first fight in the UFC. Certainly a kind way for Dana to welcome Askren, who is still blocked by Dana on Twitter last I recall.

Your Current Champions

Men's Heavyweight Champion - Daniel Cormier (21-1-(1))
Starting his career as a Heavyweight, Daniel Cormier went 13 fights in the division undefeated. When he moved down to Light Heavyweight many thought he would never return to the division nor ever get the chance to become the UFC Heavyweight Champion due to his friendship with former Heavyweight Champion Cain Velasquez. That all changed when the opportunity for a superfight presented itself with Cormier stepping back into the Heavyweight ranks to take on the UFC’s longest reigning champion, Stipe Miocic at UFC 226. The stars aligned for Cormier, as well as getting a little bit of help from a few errant eye pokes, as he knocked out Miocic and become the UFC’s second person ever to hold two division titles at the same time. Following his win DC faced off a returning Brock Lesnar in a post fight trash talk session inside the cage and the two seem to be destined to fight. This will have to take place before Cormier’s previously announced retirement date of March 20, 2019. Lesnar will also be undergoing 6 months of USADA testing, which puts his earliest fight date at around January 2019, just a few weeks from Cormier’s intended retirement day.


Men's Light Heavyweight Champion - Vacant
Daniel Cormier won the belt initially in May of 2015. After a series of defenses, Cormier lost the title in a rematch against Jon Jones, who himself was stripped afterwards due to testing positive for a PED. Jones eventually settled with USADA after a 15 month investigation. Cormier was reinstated as the champion, before himself being stripped due to being a dual-weight champion and competing more recently at Heavyweight. To determine the new champion, the UFC decided to pit Jon Jones against Alexander Gustafsson in a rematch of their barn burner from 2013. There is a betting pool on which PED Jones will test positive for if you want to get in on that action.


Men's Middleweight Champion - Robert Whittaker (19-4)
Whittaker rode a seven-fight winning streak, including shutting down the deadly takedowns of Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza to slot himself into an Interim Middleweight championship match against Yoel "Soldier of God" Romero. The canny Australian showed incredible heart in taking it to the Cuban Olympic silver medalist over five rounds, and even with a severe knee injury coming in the first he managed to outpoint his opponent to take the unanimous decision. With Georges St-Pierre vacating the Middleweight championship in early December 2017, Whittaker has now been promoted to Undisputed Middleweight Champion. After a layoff to get his health back together, Whittaker took on Yoel Romero at UFC 225 in another great showdown between the two with Whittaker again taking the victory and continuing his reign as MW king. Currently Whittaker is nursing an arm injury and served as coach for The Ultimate Fighter 28 against his next opponent, Kelvin Gastellum.


Men's Welterweight Champion - Tyron Woodley (18-3-1)
Woodley was promised a title shot against the Welterweight champion 17 months before the fight took place. After Robbie Lawler put in Fight Of The Year performances against Rory MacDonald in July 2015 and Carlos Condit in January 2016, Woodley went into their fight in July of 2016 as a significant underdog. This meant nothing, with Lawler going down to strikes in the first round. Woodley defended his belt against Stephen "Wonderboy" Thompson, putting on an incredible fight that ended in a majority draw at UFC 205 in New York in November 2016. A rematch for this fight was held in March month at UFC 209, with Woodley again the winner in a stilted affair. He defended the title again at UFC 214 in late July 2017 against Demian Maia, following a conservative but sharp gameplan that saw him stop all 22 of the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu ace's takedown attempts. It was announced that at UFC 228 on September 8th, 2018, and on that night Woodley not only derailed the Dareen Till train, he did it within two rounds and then dropped a rap song the week after. It is now believed that Woodley will face fellow ATT fighter (presuming Woodley is still affiliated with ATT) & rival Colby Covington at an unknown date. Enjoy the rap styles of Tyron “TWooodley” Woodly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOyj8_XSYlY


Men's Lightweight Champion - Khabib Nurmagomedov (27-0)
Finally, it's Khabib Time. After going 16-0 in regional promotions in Russia and The Ukraine, Khabib signed a deal with the UFC in late 2011. He then went on a near-unprecedented tear in the promotion, racking up a 9-fight UFC winning streak, including setting the record for the most takedowns in a single UFC fight with 21 against Abel Trujillo. While he seemed to have some issues with his weight, coming in heavy a few times and pulling out of a bout, and had recurring issues with his knees, causing the cancellation of more than one fight, it seemed like only time would be the barrier betewen him and a Lightweight title shot. Finally in 2018, the fight was booke for UFC 223 against Tony Ferguson. The week of the fight it seemed that literally nothing could go right, and after Ferguson seriously injured his left knee at a press event, and the late replacement Max Holloway was pulled out with 36 hours to go via a NYSAC ruling that he "didn't look good" , finally it was settled that Al Iaquinta would be Nurmagomedov's victimopponent for the bout. Iaquinta weighed in at 155.2, over the championship limit, and as such was ineligible to win the title. That distinction ended up being purely academic, with Nurmagomedov turning in a 50-44, 50-43, 50-43 performance to finally wrap the belt around his waist. At the UFC 25th anniversary press conference, it was announced Conor McGregor would be Nurmagomedov’s first opponent as champion. The bout went down at UFC 229 and, surprising some, Khabib dropped McGregor early in the fight but unsurprisingly relied on his wrestling to keep the Irishman down before submitting him with a crank. Post-fight however, chaos erupted as both teams got into various brawls. With Tony Ferguson getting an impressive victory over Anthony Pettis, and the Diaz/Poirier match not coming to fruition, it seems Tony and Khabib will finally face off. Be sure to not let them wear sunglasses or eat Tera Misu’s.


Men's Featherweight Champion - Max Holloway (19-3)
Holloway put together a 9-fight win streak, with several Performance of the Night bonuses, before answering the call to contend for the Interim Featherweight Championship at UFC 206 in December 2016. Taking out Anthony Pettis with a body kick and punches late in the third round, he set himself up for a unification bout against Jose Aldo at UFC 212. At that event in early June 2017, he defeated Aldo in the third round with focused ground and pound, and unified the belts. Frankie Edgar was announced as Holloway's first defense, but with Edgar out with a broken face, the rematch with Jose Aldo Jr took place at UFC 218 in early December 2017. It was a carbon copy of the first match, with Aldo unable to weather the combinations of The Blessed One, this time being stopped in the third round. Holloway was again scheduled to defend against Frankie Edgar in March 2018, however a leg injury to the champion has forced that fight to the co-main with Brian Ortega stepping in. Travesty struck once again as Holloway had to pull out of UFC 226 with “concussion like symptoms.” An Ortega vs Holloway title fight is among the fights for UFC 231.


Men's Bantamweight Champion - TJ Dillashaw (18-3)
When he was announced as the coach on The Ultimate Fighter: Redemption against then-champion Cody Garbrandt, the outcome was planned to be a fight between the two for Garbrandt's Bantamweight championship. While the fight between the two was originally announced for July 8 2017 at UFC 213, Garbrandt dropped out with a back injury during May, and it was re-booked for UFC 217 in November. Dillashaw started a slight underdog, but got the job done in the second round with a solid right hook and follow up ground and pound. With his second title reign starting, Dillashaw's shut down Garbrandt again this time in one round. Following his win, Dillashaw accepted the challenge the newly crowned Henry Cejudo threw his way for a Champion vs Champion bout.


Men's Flyweight Champion - Henry Cejudo (13-2)
Two years is what it took for Henry Cejudo to claw his way back to a title shot against the man who gave him his first professional defeat. Over that two year span Cejudo changed his style of fighting up in various ways, and worked hard to show why he could and should be the man to dethrone the UFC’s longest reigning champion. Cejudo’s second fight against Demetrius Johnson did not go as many expected it to. Many assumed Cejudo would get outstruck by Johnson early, but The Messenger was able to take the champion to a decision utilizing his wrestling which some argued Cejudo used more to stall and less to offer offense. Regardless the judges gave the nod to former Olympian who quickly took his first moments as champion to call out the winner of the UFC Bantamweight fight. No opponent or date have been announced. Though the future of the Flyweight division is up in the air as the UFC seems keen on shutting it down entirely.


Women's Featherweight Champion - Cristiana Justino (20–1 (1))
With the vacating of this championship by Germaine de Randamie in May 2017, a match was set up for UFC 214 between Justino and Megan Anderson. Anderson pulled out of the fight in late June, and was replaced by current Invicta FC Bantamweight Champion Tonya Evinger. The significantly larger fighter on the day, Justino dominated a one-sided affair and won the fight in the third round with brutal knee strikes. Justino defended her championship against Holly Holm at UFC 219 in December 2017, again being the much larger fighter and keeping Holm at bay to take a comprehensive decision victory. Justino made her next defense against promotional newcomer Yana Kunitskaya in March 2018, flattening another promotional newcomer and Featherweight debutant in a very one-sided matchup. UFC announced Justino will in fact take on Amanda Nunes in the first ever Women’s Champion vs Champion superfight at UFC 232.


Women's Bantamweight Champion - Amanda Nunes (16-4)
Nunes headlined UFC 200 in July of 2016, putting a vicious beating on Miesha Tate and securing a rear-nake choke victory in a little over three minutes. She backed this up with a brutal 48-second TKO victory against former Women's Bantamweight Champion and WMMA pioneer Ronda Rousey in late December 2016. Nunes was slated to take on Valentina Shevchenko in a rematch of their March 2016 fight, with that match being moved to UFC 215 in September 2017. Nunes retained by a razor-thin split decision. Her next fight was against Raquel Pennington at UFC 224, which was held this month in Rio de Janeiro. Nunes spent four rounds mauling Pennington, then pounded out a clearly already finished Pennington in the fifth, to retain her Championship. Nunes has been scheduled to move up to 145lbs to face Cyborg for the Featherweight championship at UFC 232.


Women’s Flyweight Champion - Vacant
The UFC’s Women’s Flyweight title is currently vacant after Nicco Montaño failed to make it to the weigh-ins at UFC 228, citing a need to visit the hospital. This, in turn, left her bout with Valentina Shevchenko nullified. Having not fought in roughly 9 months, the UFC decided Montaño was no longer the champion of the division that they just made 10 months ago and instead opted to vacate the title. As a result of this, Shevchenko has picked up a new challenger for the title in Former Champion Joanna (Jędrzejczyk) to take place later in 2018 at UFC 231 in December.


Women's Strawweight Champion - Rose Namajunas (11-3)
After cleaning out the Women's Strawweight division, Joanna Jędrzejczyk seemed to have no more mountains to conquer. After beating Michelle Waterson by rear-naked choke in April 2017, Namajunas was announced as the next contender for want of any other new challengers. In a massive upset, Namajunas beat Jędrzejczyk by TKO in the first round of their championship fight at UFC 217. A rematch for this fight took place at UFC 223 in April 2018, and while it took longer to decide the result was the same, with Namajunas taking a solid unanimous decision over the former champion. No title defense is scheduled at this stage though many feel Jessica Andrade’s vicious KO over Karolina Kowalkiewicz earned her a spot at “Thug.”

Other poo poo

Go to the MMA's Best and Worst, 2018 Edition thread administered by Fentry to refresh your memory on what has been considered by your fellow PSP-MMA posters as the best (and worst) of the MMA world this year. Nominations for hilarious and/or awesome things are always appreciated.

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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



Sorry if the fight highlight gifs or MP4s are obnoxiously large. I had a bunch of smaller ones but they got lost sadly

Mekchu fucked around with this message at Dec 1, 2018 around 12:55

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Like a snail that melteth away into slime, they shall be taken away; like a dead-born child, they shall not see the sun.

holloway/ortega is such a cool fight. it feels (to me) like one of the old UFC title fights i'd get excited about where two unstoppable monsters collide and someone's gotta lose.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010


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Mekchu posted:

Sorry if the fight highlight gifs or MP4s are obnoxiously large. I had a bunch of smaller ones but they got lost sadly

Yeah, put a drat 56k warning in the title, why don't you t

Bluedeanie
Jul 20, 2008

It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?



To perhaps unwisely continue the discussion on Brazilian fighters who are fans of Bolsonaro. I don't know for sure but I would be surprised if Amanda Nunes was.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008


I really liked the documentary series but the political commentary was ham-fisted, shallow and detracted from the overall quality of the production. I feel like there was a place for it, and its inclusion was alright but he either dwelled too long or framed things in an odd way. Idk

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014




Pillbug

Bluedeanie posted:

To perhaps unwisely continue the discussion on Brazilian fighters who are fans of Bolsonaro. I don't know for sure but I would be surprised if Amanda Nunes was.

https://twitter.com/Amanda_Leoa/sta...908268780642304


I definitely saw one noteworthy fighter denounce Bolsonaro but I can't remember who it was.

DumbWhiteGuy
Jul 4, 2007

You need haters. Fellas if you got 20 haters, you need 40 of them motherfuckers. If there's any haters in here that don't have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me


DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

i really really liked the doc. the last part in particular hit on a bunch of the reasons why I don't find the UFC as interesting as I did 10 years or so ago when i originally got into it. it was very bizarre and weird and had a particular brand and point of view, even if that was metal mulisha, josh koscheck threatening to motorboat GSP's rear end, condom depot shorts, face the pain, etc.

now it's just way more bland even if it's more 'polished', and the fighters personalities are way less interesting even if the skill level has gone up, and the experience of being a fan was better when there were fewer cards and you got to know more fighters and see more important fights on fewer cards.

i think part of sage's appeal here besides his Lean Body is that he's a throwback to the years ago when fighters were more easily seen weirdos, were on more blatant roids, and his career has been fairly easy to follow even as a guy on the bottom rung.

i understand why they're doing it, and it's probably good business to do it with the value of live sports as an investment for the PE fucks and for streaming rights. but i don't personally like it as much anymore, and it could be a bad strategy in the longterm. nascar was like 5-10 years ahead of the UFC in getting more corporatized and bland and changing sponsors and removing the danger and weirdness and the bizarre drivers. they've lost like half their attendance and most of their ratings in the last 10 years, but they've got a huge TV deal still.

Question for you all: Do you think the homogenization of fighters is more due to the increase in the number of fighters (because they can't all be Diego Sanchez) or the uniforms and peripheral things? Or maybe it's more due to marketing, but I can understand how challenging it would be to find interesting and unique things to talk about with every single fighter.

My assumption is it's the former and there are still about the same number of weirdos in the sport more or less, but there are just a lot more non-weirdos.

Lucasar
Jan 25, 2005

I'm that kid that made those cool tinfoil dinosaurs.

Waroduce posted:

I really liked the documentary series but the political commentary was ham-fisted, shallow and detracted from the overall quality of the production. I feel like there was a place for it, and its inclusion was alright but he either dwelled too long or framed things in an odd way. Idk

Agreed. Smug, nihilistic assessments of the zeitgeist were a somewhat greater percentage of the total run time than they needed to be. The wealth of good info and history sort of gets lost or unfocused by the editorializing from time to time.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Cabana's legal advice?
I'm bourgeoisie.
I... hit the shitty
firemans carry knee.


I think it's the latter, take Rick Story an entirely unremarkable fighter but we all know Rick Story. The thing was unremarkable could still stand out on their own - the classic Mike Goldvergism of "winner of three of his last five fights" - just by having a name that stuck with you or a look or having the commentators say Coming Up Next Rick "the Horror" Story takes on Martin "The Hitman" Kampmann *whoosh sound*.

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Like a snail that melteth away into slime, they shall be taken away; like a dead-born child, they shall not see the sun.

DumbWhiteGuy posted:

Question for you all: Do you think the homogenization of fighters is more due to the increase in the number of fighters (because they can't all be Diego Sanchez) or the uniforms and peripheral things? Or maybe it's more due to marketing, but I can understand how challenging it would be to find interesting and unique things to talk about with every single fighter.

My assumption is it's the former and there are still about the same number of weirdos in the sport more or less, but there are just a lot more non-weirdos.

it's really hard to follow anyone's career that i don't already know of unless they do something really spectacular. like, idk, chris lytle or gabriel gonzaga or whoever were never extraordinarily skilled guys, but because there were so much less mma to watch, i generally knew what was going on with most ufc fighters. anyone who was good enough to stick around and keep winning fights generally had a nice progression in their career even if they weren't a hand-picked prospect. instead of going 6-0 on prelims against nobodies on cards no one watched. if machida came around now, he'd be buried so deep.

idk if it was joe silva that kept (almost) everyone matched up nicely but whatever or whoever it was, it's gone.

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013




WEBM/MP4 is small file size and Dad Cormier is still champ till Bones fights!!!

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Like a snail that melteth away into slime, they shall be taken away; like a dead-born child, they shall not see the sun.

however i'm also an adult now. and i was a teenager when i started watching mma. obviously having the time and dedication to watch every poo poo card made a difference. but then again even the poo poo cards didn't have the bland flavourlessness they do now, it was generally an exception if i didn't know someone fighting on the main card. even if it was marcus davis.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

Cabana's legal advice?
I'm bourgeoisie.
I... hit the shitty
firemans carry knee.


See we all knew and loved to laugh at how terrible someone like Marcus Davis was. Now we have endless fighters who we react to with apathy. We need heroes and villains and complete jokes.

Boco_T
Mar 12, 2003

la calaca tilica y flaca


Tonight's show takes place tomorrow morning in Australia. Fight Pass starts at 7 PM ET, FS1 from 8-10/10-1.

Ranked fighters:
Flyweight prelim (starting around 9 PM): Wilson Reis vs Ben Nguyen
Top 3 of main card (starting around 11:30 PM):
Mark Hunt vs Justin Willis
Shogun Rua vs Tyson Pedro
Junior Dos Santos vs Tai Tuivasa

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

There's a ghost in me
Who wants to say I'm sorry
Doesn't mean I'm sorry



Sorry to necro poo poo from the previous month's thread, but...

Lid posted:

They have clearly never heard of when corporations would pay employees in currency that was only redeemable with other parts of said corporation.

...what, like half off coupons for Reebok gear?

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Like a snail that melteth away into slime, they shall be taken away; like a dead-born child, they shall not see the sun.

Lid posted:

See we all knew and loved to laugh at how terrible someone like Marcus Davis was. Now we have endless fighters who we react to with apathy. We need heroes and villains and complete jokes.

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Like a snail that melteth away into slime, they shall be taken away; like a dead-born child, they shall not see the sun.

combat sports is for sure the only context in which some guy having alien eggs implanted into his head by way of a hundred thousand punches is a cherished memory.

Bundt Cake
Aug 16, 2003
;(

rick story was an awesome fighter who had a few years where he fought in a very unique high risk/reward fashion

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


I'll always remember Rick Story for that one time he arm triangled Brian Foster from Foster's guard

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Like a snail that melteth away into slime, they shall be taken away; like a dead-born child, they shall not see the sun.

story getting beat up by tiny charlie brenneman is like the ultimate styles makes fights fight in mma

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

There are no men like me. There's only me.

Foul Fowl posted:

story getting beat up by tiny charlie brenneman is like the ultimate styles makes fights fight in mma

I will personally never forget watching in complete horror as Brenneman fought Rumble. That should have been a crime.

Bluedeanie
Jul 20, 2008

It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?



My only memories I can ever retain of Rick Story are him losing in awesome or hilarious ways.

Wise Learned Man
Apr 22, 2008

An ill wind blows no minds.





Lipstick Apathy

Bluedeanie posted:

My only memories I can ever retain of Rick Story are him losing in awesome or hilarious ways.

Getting his brainjuice wrung out of his head by Maia is one of my favorites

Darude - Adam Sandstorm
Aug 16, 2012

Saviour, thy name is Knuckle


The only thing I always remember in regards to Rick Story is the jpg of angles that someone made after his fight with Alves.

The Automator
Jan 16, 2009


I think mma being more accessible to the average person who wants to train means there’s a lot more normal people in the ufc. I mean, you still gotta be a little different to choose to dedicate your life to beating people up, but there are far more regular kinda people doing it.

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

Герой Советского Союза


Early prelims for Adelaide start in 30 minutes.

Wise Learned Man
Apr 22, 2008

An ill wind blows no minds.





Lipstick Apathy

Wise Learned Man posted:

Getting his brainjuice wrung out of his head by Maia is one of my favorites

Oh, and I forgot all about the loving tekken combo Cerrone landed on him. That was rad too. Reminiscent of the combo Marquardt landed on Wilson Gouveia way back.

mewse
May 2, 2006



Finished watching the documentary. Very well made, the music scoring was exceptional. Past events like chael/sonnen came to life which must be the aim of any documentary. It helped illustrate the appeal of pride to me since I missed most of its run.

I think the wider political stuff should have been cut. Very jarring to be watching a doc about MMA and then it's "so anyway while Reagan and Thatcher were destroying the social safety net,".. spent a minute explaining how the Fertittas are mobbed up but then more time playing tape of Dana's RNC speech with ominous background music.

Blaming USADA in part for making the UFC bland is sadly mistaken. Blaming USADA for derailing Jon Jones' career is absurd.

Had some other small quibbles like the first chapter is called "the history of fighting for money" and talks about Gracie history instead of prize fighting. Then Anderson is introduced as the widely recognized GOAT when I think that's debatable with his failed drug tests - noticed more stuff like that early in watching and had to recognize there would be a lot of opinion mixed with facts

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013



Grimey Drawer

I had no idea there was an event in my hometown today. I'm pissed because if I'd known I would have gotten tickets.

SquirrelGrip
Jul 4, 2012


fights on now

Wise Learned Man
Apr 22, 2008

An ill wind blows no minds.





Lipstick Apathy

Boy, this Gorgees fella sure does a lot of showboating/taunting for a guy who absolutely sucks, I tell you what.

mewse
May 2, 2006



Here's a GDT

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012



DumbWhiteGuy posted:

Question for you all: Do you think the homogenization of fighters is more due to the increase in the number of fighters (because they can't all be Diego Sanchez) or the uniforms and peripheral things? Or maybe it's more due to marketing, but I can understand how challenging it would be to find interesting and unique things to talk about with every single fighter.

My assumption is it's the former and there are still about the same number of weirdos in the sport more or less, but there are just a lot more non-weirdos.

I think the sport has some weirdos dilluted by lots of boring people. A lot of the boring people who in the past would of been boxers or other combat sports are now doing mma. Some of the old mma weirdos are also probably now in bare knuckle or some other freakshow.

Its like, I don't know, how role-playing games are really popular right now. The hobby is still full of weirdos but it is also now full of polished beautiful actors playing dungeons and dragons.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.


I'm still sad about the Korean Zombie loss tbh

Mean Bean Machine
May 8, 2008

Only when I breathe.


Bluedeanie posted:

My only memories I can ever retain of Rick Story are him losing in awesome or hilarious ways.

remember when he was easily dominating gunnar nelson and dan hardy and the other idiot brit commentator were almost crying into their mics?

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014




Pillbug

I love comparing fighters to Rick Story because he's so unremarkable but he was still pretty effective. My favourite Rick Story moment (that wasn't him losing) was his fight against Gunnar Nelson, whne Gunny was still the undefeated super prospect, and Gunny couldn't take Story down and had no answer for Story's conservative boxing attack except for going for a double collar, which just resulted in Gunny eating like 15 left-right pumping body shots every time he attempted it.

spb
Nov 11, 2013


IT HOT DAY A DEERRPRPRPRR



My man has a pussy for an eye

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

MURALI



Mean Bean Machine posted:

remember when he was easily dominating gunnar nelson and dan hardy and the other idiot brit commentator were almost crying into their mics?

I do yeah

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Wise Learned Man
Apr 22, 2008

An ill wind blows no minds.





Lipstick Apathy

Did we ever get an official explanation about Holloway's mystery illness/slurring when the fight got cancelled before?

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