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Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

It was all going well, and then the parademons showed up


Fallen Rib

Phylodox posted:

I don't think it would work. Half the appeal of the CW DC shows is that they're so cheap and schlocky and fun. They harken back to, like, the late-90s/early-00s made-for-syndication adventure shows like Highlander, Birds of Prey, and Relic Hunter. Looking like a big budget blockbuster film wouldn't enhance that in any real way, it would just highlight how cheesy everything else about it is.

You take that back. There is no way that the CW shows are on the same level of incompetent terribleness that was Birds of Prey

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Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




Madkal posted:

You take that back. There is no way that the CW shows are on the same level of incompetent terribleness that was Birds of Prey

Good news is, the Birds of Prey universe got wiped out during Crisis.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006

Shepard.


College Slice

Madkal posted:

You take that back. There is no way that the CW shows are on the same level of incompetent terribleness that was Birds of Prey

They absolutely are, but they realized it a while ago and leaned into it to their benefit. Legends of Tomorrow is the dumbest show on television, and itís incalculably better for it.

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


Madkal posted:

You take that back. There is no way that the CW shows are on the same level of incompetent terribleness that was Birds of Prey

hey now, I love both of those levels of incompetence. They are just great.

Also, huntress needs her own spin off movie.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

PRESIDENT OF THE OFFICIAL BRENDAN FRASER FAN CLUB


Birds of Prey felt like GotG2 to me - just getting straight up itís own rear end based off the popularity of the film before it and, imo, falling flat. Whereas Deadpool 2 did it well but thatís generally the gamble with all sequels.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



They're talking about the TV show.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."


Dawgstar posted:

"We can't have TWO characters named Jessica!" seems like something that would stop studios from using Drew.

Meanwhile behind the scenes everyone is called Chris, Tom or Benedict.

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


Aphrodite posted:

They're talking about the TV show.

Oh sorry, I was on my phone when I read that and it didn't click.

I think that one never aired in my country, poor show. At least they got some sort of an ending on The Crisis special.

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST


Guardians 2 is superior to the original, by the way. Unburdened by setting up the entire space corner of the MCU and establishing new characters, it uses the film to have genuine introspection on everyone that isn't Groot. And it's wonderful across the board. Rocket, Gamora, and Nebula especially are way better in 2 than in the first movie.

Dan Didio
Apr 6, 2009

OMG!! WeareSOawesome!!



Madkal posted:

You take that back. There is no way that the CW shows are on the same level of incompetent terribleness that was Birds of Prey

They're significantly worse.

GokuGoesSSJ3
Apr 15, 2017



Codependent Poster posted:

I think the Spider-Woman thing is complicated. Like Marvel can use Jessica Drew but can't call her Spider-Woman, and if you want to use her like a secret agent/detective there are other characters that would probably fit in better without any confusion.

I've always wondered why she's called Spider-Woman in the first place, other than of course to sell comics when she was created. She flies and shoots energy blasts from her hands. Not the first things that come to mind when I think of the abilities of a spider.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:

I've always wondered why she's called Spider-Woman in the first place, other than of course to sell comics when she was created. She flies and shoots energy blasts from her hands. Not the first things that come to mind when I think of the abilities of a spider.

No joke because the original idea for her was "A spider turned into a human" which later became "Hydra implanted spider juice into her because Nazi reasons."

The actual reason is because they were worried about the Spider-Woman trademark being snapped up after you had things like Power Man at Marvel vs Power Girl at DC or Wonder Man at Marvel vs Wonder Woman at DC.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.



GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:

I've always wondered why she's called Spider-Woman in the first place, other than of course to sell comics when she was created. She flies and shoots energy blasts from her hands. Not the first things that come to mind when I think of the abilities of a spider.

quote:

Marvel Comics' then-publisher Stan Lee, said in 1978, shortly after Spider-Woman's debut in Marvel Spotlight #32 and the start of the character's 50-issue, self-titled series (April 1978 - June 1983), that the character originated because

I suddenly realized that some other company may quickly put out a book like that and claim they have the right to use the name, and I thought we'd better do it real fast to copyright the name. So we just batted one quickly, and that's exactly what happened. I wanted to protect the name, because it's the type of thing [where] someone else might say, 'Hey, why don't we put out a Spider-Woman; they can't stop us.' ... You know, years ago we brought out Wonder Man, and [DC Comics] sued us because they had Wonder Woman, and... I said okay, I'll discontinue Wonder Man. And all of a sudden they've got Power Girl [after Marvel had introduced Power Man]. Oh, boy. How unfair.

I love Jessica Drew and I love that she only exists because comic politics are petty and silly and stupid.

But yeah, the exact answer is that the quick and dirty story they rushed out just to copyright "Spider-Woman" was an actual spider woman. Then they just redesigned her when they decided to keep her around.

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 01:36 on May 22, 2020

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017



GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:

I've always wondered why she's called Spider-Woman in the first place, other than of course to sell comics when she was created. She flies and shoots energy blasts from her hands. Not the first things that come to mind when I think of the abilities of a spider.

Because Comics, but technically her energy blasts are 'bio-electric venom' I think. Just like a spider!

Dan Didio
Apr 6, 2009

OMG!! WeareSOawesome!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mj5FZ_FxG8

Here's Zack Snyder kind of bumbling his way through a Man of Steel commentary with some input from some guests and his personal storyboards, should that be your thing.

Dan Didio
Apr 6, 2009

OMG!! WeareSOawesome!!



I sort of feel like the summation of Zack Snyder is that he decided that showing off visual sketches of his own storyboards during what is essentially an audio track to a motion picture is the perfect way to deliver commentary. What a lovable, dumb jock.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004




Dawgstar posted:

"We can't have TWO characters named Jessica!" seems like something that would stop studios from using Drew.

Studio Exec: "We want to release a film but can't have two characters named Jessica, just come up with another name like Jane Drew or something, but not as stupid."
Writers: "..."
Announcer: "Coming this November the adventures of Jane Drew!"

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

PRESIDENT OF THE OFFICIAL BRENDAN FRASER FAN CLUB


Dan Didio posted:

I sort of feel like the summation of Zack Snyder is that he decided that showing off visual sketches of his own storyboards during what is essentially an audio track to a motion picture is the perfect way to deliver commentary. What a lovable, dumb jock.

I believe The Watchmen is like this too where you can get a split screen with his sketches for things.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




Hellboy (the good one) had a option where you could watch the actors as they gave commentary.

CommaToes
Dec 15, 2006

Ecce Buffo


Dawgstar posted:

"We can't have TWO characters named Jessica!" seems like something that would stop studios from using Drew.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.



I just went down a post search/rap sheet hole that eventually led to me discovering that a bunch of goons think Captain America raped Peggy Carter when he went back in time.

I just had to actually express that to someone to process it fully and move past it.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006

Shepard.


College Slice

STAC Goat posted:

I just went down a post search/rap sheet hole that eventually led to me discovering that a bunch of goons think Captain America raped Peggy Carter when he went back in time.

I just had to actually express that to someone to process it fully and move past it.

Yeah, I remember that. I think it started as SuperMechagodzilla doing his usual schtick of saying something provocative to try and get attention.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

PRESIDENT OF THE OFFICIAL BRENDAN FRASER FAN CLUB


Davros1 posted:

Hellboy (the good one) had a option where you could watch the actors as they gave commentary.

That's one of the best commentaries on DVD - so goddamn good, Perlman is gold.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

The plan here is to reinvent Rin Tin Tin as a modern action star, the John Wick of dogs.


STAC Goat posted:

I just went down a post search/rap sheet hole that eventually led to me discovering that a bunch of goons think Captain America raped Peggy Carter when he went back in time.

I just had to actually express that to someone to process it fully and move past it.

Yeah it was wild. Even given the most uncharitable interpretation of his actions there's no actual textual evidence he didn't tell her he was from the future/alternate timeline/reality/however the hell time travel is supposed to work

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



John Wick of Dogs posted:

Yeah it was wild. Even given the most uncharitable interpretation of his actions there's no actual textual evidence he didn't tell her he was from the future/alternate timeline/reality/however the hell time travel is supposed to work

Yeah I assume he showed up at her door, she probably freaked out and either kissed or hit him or both, then asked how the gently caress he's there and he told her the whole thing.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




Vince MechMahon posted:

Yeah I assume he showed up at her door, she probably freaked out and either kissed or hit him or both, then asked how the gently caress he's there and he told her the whole thing.

Also, he's Capt America. "I swam home." wouldn't be too far fetched.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

The future? You mean like flying cars? Hotels on the moon? Tang?


Grimey Drawer

Cap is like the most altruistic good-natured boy scout this side of Superman, what deranged idiots would genuinely believe heíd do anything like that?

This is 100% what he did:

Vince MechMahon posted:

Yeah I assume he showed up at her door, she probably freaked out and either kissed or hit him or both, then asked how the gently caress he's there and he told her the whole thing.

Peggyís in SHIELD and has seen some poo poo, she probably figured it out before Cap even got the chance to tell her.

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Davros1 posted:

Also, he's Capt America. "I swam home." wouldn't be too far fetched.
That's what the contrarian weirdos are talking about, though. If Steve in any way implies that he's the Steve from Peggy's timeline universe, that's technically surprise sex by deception, even if he's the alternate reality version of that same person.

So, of course, according to the brokebrained hivemind, that's absolutely exactly what Steve did for sure.

(It's less of a big deal if we're going by the theory where Steve somehow magically bucked the rules that were established in this very film and ended up in his actual own timeline, but building a whole lifetime together out of a flat lie like "don't worry about it, I swam home" is still not super cool.)

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010

Don't look at me-
I'm ugly in the morning
When the headaches gone
The sun is not.
Forgot to turn the alarm
On - on


Pillbug

BrianWilly posted:


(It's less of a big deal if we're going by the theory where Steve somehow magically bucked the rules that were established in this very film and ended up in his actual own timeline, but building a whole lifetime together out of a flat lie like "don't worry about it, I swam home" is still not super cool.)

Steve had the time stone, he could have done proper time travel instead of the alternate universe thing.

Retro Futurist
Aug 8, 2007

Yesterday's Tomorrow,
Today!


Even if he did, the universe wouldnít split until that point so heís not even technically a parallel Steve

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006

Shepard.


College Slice

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Cap is like the most altruistic good-natured boy scout this side of Superman, what deranged idiots would genuinely believe heíd do anything like that?

Again, no one actually believes this. Itís totally performative competitive provocation. Itís like the whole thing where Black Panther is unironically a CIA psy op. No sane person believes that, itís just a really weird thought exercise.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Crook County

https://www.bunkhistory.org/resources/2835

quote:

One of the people who responded to Garzaís post, Crystal M. Hayes, is the child of a still-incarcerated member of the BPP, Robert Seth Hayes. Hayes lamented that while a meme showing her father and other still incarcerated members of the BPP superimposed over an image of the movie poster had 50,000 shares on Facebook, she was still having a hard time raising $10,000 for a legal defense fund. Others noted the ways in which cast members of the film perpetuated and flirted with the legacy of the Party, posing with imagery that invoked it on the covers of GQ and Rolling Stone. Influential journalist Davey D. Cook noted that given the movieís prominent themes and its directorís hometown of Oakland, California, which was also the birthplace of the BPP, comparisons between the film and the organization were not only unavoidable but also completely necessary.

Robert Seth Hayes died shortly after being released after being wrongly imprisoned for decades. Claiming that the only criticism against BP is some nutter conspiracy theory is very ingenuous to the very real problems inherent with that movie and itís hegemonic audience.

ruddiger fucked around with this message at 02:26 on May 23, 2020

The MSJ
May 17, 2010



Black Panther might not be a CIA psyop, but the inclusion of a heroic CIA character being involved in a civil war in an African country is in the best case scenario an incredibly tone deaf move caused by cluelessness and ignorance (likely with someone white involved).

The MSJ fucked around with this message at 03:43 on May 23, 2020

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

ruddiger posted:

https://www.bunkhistory.org/resources/2835

Robert Seth Hayes died shortly after being released after being wrongly imprisoned for decades. Claiming that the only criticism against BP is some nutter conspiracy theory is very ingenuous to the very real problems inherent with that movie and itís hegemonic audience.
It's cool how no one's saying that's the only thing wrong with the movie then and it's deffo super cool that the Socialism For Babies brigade keeps on bringing up that exact specific half-assed idiotic critique over and over and over again and we all know it and have kept the receipts so let's not even play this game.

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Steve had the time stone, he could have done proper time travel instead of the alternate universe thing.
Wasn't the point to put it back where it belonged? So Steve used it to "proper" time travel back to the 40s, then kept it until the 00s when he gave it back to the Ancient One?

...Actually, that might work I guess.

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



BrianWilly posted:

It's cool how no one's saying that's the only thing wrong with the movie then and it's deffo super cool that the Socialism For Babies brigade keeps on bringing up that exact specific half-assed idiotic critique over and over and over again and we all know it and have kept the receipts so let's not even play this game.
Wasn't the point to put it back where it belonged? So Steve used it to "proper" time travel back to the 40s, then kept it until the 00s when he gave it back to the Ancient One?

...Actually, that might work I guess.

I refuse to believe Steve would take the risk that he might die before bringing the stone back.

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!


Grimey Drawer

He might have dropped the Time stone off last and just asked The Ancient One for a favor.

Dan Didio
Apr 6, 2009

OMG!! WeareSOawesome!!



Black Panther is, ironically, a CIA psyop.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005






Fun Shoe

I think the point of SMG's bizarre argument was that Endgame was so poorly scripted that the fact it was even possible to infer that Steve Rogers was a rapist was proof of the film's flaws.

It felt like a really loving lazy and selfconsciously edgy take to me - and I usually have a lot of time for SMG.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011






Necrothatcher posted:

I think the point of SMG's bizarre argument was that Endgame was so poorly scripted that the fact it was even possible to infer that Steve Rogers was a rapist was proof of the film's flaws.

That's an incredible generous reading of those posts.

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Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun



it is essentially satire: taking a text to absurd lengths in order to destroy it. it's deliberately provocative but not, perhaps, performative

but the scene is nonsense - illustrated by the writers and directors not even being able to agree on what was happening post facto. more thought went into what happened on this page than it did in the film

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