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Y'all are making me want to make an actual video essay about MoS and that's Not A Good ThingEndless Mike posted:I'm not sure I'd say these were "once-in-a-lifetime ringers." Both Rogue One and Solo went through significant reshoots, story edits, and directoral changes in the course of production. Rogue One, in particular, has a pretty noticeable shift in tone that probably only happened when Disney noticed they were turning the Rebellion into straight-up jihadists. An actual ringer I'm thinking of is like...y'know. A child passing away. Joss Whedon. That kind of thing.
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BrianWilly posted:Y'all are making me want to make an actual video essay about MoS and that's Not A Good Thing
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May 29, 2020 06:33
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:They're also, you know, films of historical/cultural importance. A phrase that will never be associated with Suicide Squad or Justice League, inshallah. The whole Snyder Cut campaign, coupled with Sonic's redesign, probably means it's too late for you. Arist posted:Ayer's cut was so bad they threw it to a loving trailer house Or that's why it's bad in the first place? From what I can tell a lot of serious complaints about the theatrical release (editing, characters arcs, the story) was because of the butchering it went through. Ayer's version had a lot more of Harley and Enchantress.
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May 29, 2020 06:37
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, I don't know that "add more stuff to the flashback that looked more interesting than the story we were in" is really a positive direction. When people said Darkseid (or whatever his other name is) was in it I assumed they meant he shows up at the end of the film. Not as a weird footnote. If I remember correctly, which I believe I do, in Snyder's version, there's a scene where Wonder Woman discovers some murals, which then dips into a flashback of a pre-darkseid Uxas invading and taking on the Greek pantheon before departing. Darkseid proper I think is then mentioned a few times and shows up at the end of the film. Shirkelton fucked around with this message at 06:41 on May 29, 2020 |
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May 29, 2020 06:38
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So I'm guessing Ava Duvernay and Tom King's New Gods movie will show what happened to Uxas after that defeat on Earth.
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Dan Didio posted:Darkseid proper I think is then mentioned a few times and shows up at the end of the film. STAC Goat posted:What's Disney+ doing? And that's the ones people have noticed so far. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 08:27 on May 29, 2020 |
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May 29, 2020 08:24
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FilthyImp posted:The Forces of Ancient Earth repel Darkseid. He reappears after Steppenwolf gets his head cut off, as the head rolls across a boom tube and Darkseid picks it up. Ah, okay, I've only really gleaned bits and pieces from people talking about it nonstop across the vast interweb.
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May 29, 2020 08:38
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FilthyImp posted:The Forces of Ancient Earth repel Darkseid. He reappears after Steppenwolf gets his head cut off, as the head rolls across a boom tube and Darkseid picks it up. I believe the Lilo & Stitch bit was done for the original UK release, I guess to stop kids from repeating it?
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May 29, 2020 08:40
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Arist posted:they're talking about the screen not being full of weird CGI garbage everywhere 
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May 29, 2020 10:26
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An important thing to remember about this whole Snyder Cut business is the context it's happening in. Studios have been using director's cuts as an excuse to get a second release of their movies for decades; add in some deleted scenes and recut some of the audio mastering and you can get its fanbase to buy the VHS/DVD all over again, or if you're lucky even get another theatrical run. The only reason they wouldn't have done this before now is that Snyder's cut wasn't in a releasable state and it would have cost too much to get it mastered well enough to release. But now? All the cinemas are closed and every studio is having a hell of a time shooting. It's the perfect time to have a potential popular movie that the footage is already shot for. This isn't some huge scalp for lovely fans - though clearly plenty are trying their luck in response to it - it's a movie studio doing what they can to get what money they can in a pandemic.
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May 29, 2020 10:57
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I think the timing is coincidence. They started hyping this up in November, the announcement timing is likely just because HBO Max is launching.
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The MSJ posted:Or that's why it's bad in the first place? From what I can tell a lot of serious complaints about the theatrical release (editing, characters arcs, the story) was because of the butchering it went through. Ayer's version had a lot more of Harley and Enchantress. I've never heard Ayer's cut was terrible, more that the studio wanted something along the lines of Guardians of the Galaxy so that's why they tossed it to the trailer house. Aphrodite posted:I think the timing is coincidence. They started hyping this up in November, the announcement timing is likely just because HBO Max is launching. One thing that amused me was people saying "um, if you don't like JLA nobody is asking you to watch the new one" and the logical response is "No, no, HBO Max is all but begging us to."
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Also social media was extremely negative on all the promotional material for the film especially joker, I think WB was just desperate for it to be "mainstream", which I put in quotes because making something mainstream is impossible when you don't know what that is, which they clearly didn't
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May 29, 2020 15:52
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Aphrodite posted:The Ayer cut has a lot more Joker, it must be worse. This bears repeating. Jared Leto sucks.
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May 29, 2020 16:10
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Jared Leto as a person sucks but his Joker was absolutely fine. I like in Harley's family life fantasy where he isn't the Joker he's still clearly a Norman Bates level psychopath, readily apparent just by looking at him and he doesn't even have lines.
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May 29, 2020 16:13
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Nah his Joker was real bad and gross, especially in the strip club scene. I don't know how much of that was Leto and how much was bad writing, but there it is. I'm actually interested in an Ayer cut, not because I think it will be good, but because the current cut of Suicide Squad was so badly made at such an elemental level that an Ayer cut's release can help future film students as a forensic tool, the same way that olde timey chirurgeons learned about biology by dissecting two-headed mutant calves.
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May 29, 2020 16:21
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At the least I hope Ayer's cut won't have 7 Classic Rock songs in the first 10 minutes of the film, or Enchantress loving air-humping things as weirdy voodo magicks. I'd also like to know which writer decided El Diablo would become a FEARSOME AZTEC WARRIOR ESSE because all that was missing from that hilariously terrible s ene was him pulling up in a hellfire lowrider that left Raider Nation symbols in its wake.
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FilthyImp posted:At the least I hope Ayer's cut won't have 7 Classic Rock songs in the first 10 minutes of the film, or Enchantress loving air-humping things as weirdy voodo magicks. I like to hope that Ayer did not decide to introduce his characters twice as in the theatrical cut. Also Robbie Reyes proves there's nothing wrong with demonic lowriders. 
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May 29, 2020 16:48
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come on dude, that's obviously not what i loving meant
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May 29, 2020 17:09
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No, his Joker wasn't very good either, actually. That character's tone and presentation is all over the place for the entire film. And I know, someone is inevitably going to say "That's the Joker" but it's not. Robbie as Harley, Smith as Deadshot, and I thought Viola Davis brought it even though the role was written terribly. Those are the highlights of Suicide Squad. Maybe he was different in Birds of Prey, I didn't get around to seeing that one.
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May 29, 2020 17:17
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Jai Courtney was a delight as Captain Boomerang.
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SonicRulez posted:No, his Joker wasn't very good either, actually. That character's tone and presentation is all over the place for the entire film. And I know, someone is inevitably going to say "That's the Joker" but it's not. He's not in Birds of Prey.
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May 29, 2020 17:23
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The Joker???? Acting bad and gross????
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May 29, 2020 17:29
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An extended suicide squad cut but it's just this for 4 hours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNoebM89HiY god suicide squad SUUUUUCKED!
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May 29, 2020 17:33
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Jared Leto saw those old comics about Joker's boners and didn't understand the context.
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Rhyno posted:Jai Courtney was a delight as Captain Boomerang. Maybe we would get payoff for Digger's unicorn in the Ayer Cut.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:The Joker???? Acting bad and gross???? Problem was he wasn't funny, nor was he frightening, nor interesting in any way. He was both boring and annoying. Leto's Joker, for whatever reason comes off like one of those guys at a party when you were a teenager who smoked a joint and starts acting performatively high. It was bad. Karloff fucked around with this message at 18:05 on May 29, 2020 |
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Dawgstar posted:Maybe we would get payoff for Digger's unicorn in the Ayer Cut. This is Captain Boomerang's unicorn. It's got his back. I would advise not getting killed by it. It's horn traps the souls of its victims.
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I don't really think there's anything salvageable about Suicide Squad. There's nothing interesting beneath the character intros or the classic rock songs. It's not like Blade Runner where you already had really good movie and just had to cut a couple of stuff to make a great movie.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:The Joker???? Acting bad and gross???? There's lot of different ways you can play the Joker. Personally, I like the "Flamboyant, slightly demented bank robber" version from Batman 66/BTAS, versus the "Spirit of Anarchy Ubermensch" that's been popular lately. But up until Leto, I've never seen the Joker as "Guy who got kicked out of a Vampire LARP for being sexually aggressive".
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Karloff posted:Problem was he wasn't funny, nor was he frightening, nor interesting in any way. He was both boring and annoying. Leto's Joker, for whatever reason comes off like one of those guys at a party when you were a teenager who has smoked a joint and starts acting performatively high. It was bad. He was the personification of the clearance rack at Hot Topic.
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Karloff posted:Problem was he wasn't funny, nor was he frightening, nor interesting in any way. ...That sounds like the Joker though...
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May 29, 2020 18:00
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:There's lot of different ways you can play the Joker. Personally, I like the "Flamboyant, slightly demented bank robber" version from Batman 66/BTAS, versus the "Spirit of Anarchy Ubermensch" that's been popular lately. But up until Leto, I've never seen the Joker as "Guy who got kicked out of a Vampire LARP for being sexually aggressive". Yeah. Leto capers over the point of no return from 'edgy' to 'puerile.'
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FilthyImp posted:At the least I hope Ayer's cut won't have 7 Classic Rock songs in the first 10 minutes of the film, or Enchantress loving air-humping things as weirdy voodo magicks. It wasn’t as bad as “my abuela listens to Morrissey and my van’s horn plays la cucaracha” but it was close.
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ndor posted:...That sounds like the Joker though... It probably also sounds like your grandmother but that doesn't mean she's the Joker.
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Aphrodite posted:It probably also sounds like your grandmother but that doesn't mean she's the Joker. Yeah, and Joker never dies 
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May 29, 2020 18:09
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Consider: Suicide Squad but with Joaquin Phoenix as Joker.
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May 29, 2020 18:12
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I think the only way that I'd ever be interested in the Joker being in a movie again would be if they did a Batman Beyond type moviewith Mark Hamill as an Old Man Joker. I'm so sick of that goddamn character.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I think the only way that I'd ever be interested in the Joker being in a movie again would be if they did a Batman Beyond type moviewith Mark Hamill as an Old Man Joker. I'm so sick of that goddamn character. That movie literally exists already. e: oh sorry, was that the joke ndor fucked around with this message at 18:29 on May 29, 2020 |
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BrianWilly posted:(I could vent forever about the changes made to the 2010 Clash of the Titans remake), Could you? About the time the turned the middle eastern caricature who spoke a language no one could understand into a literal suicide bomber, I was ready to walk out. The only reason I didn't was because I was there with my dad and siblings. I loved the original and that remake pissed me off more than any other movie I can remember.
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