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Sgt. Politeness posted:I love Rick & Morty. Rick & Morty has a weirdly toxic fanbase. They do not represent me, my love of the show, or my views on life. When someone on the internet says "Rick & Morty fans are depraved psychos" I do not chime in with a "I'm so sick of being called a psycho!" because I know exactly who they are referring to and I recognize that it's not me and yet also an accurate assessment. I had a friend that was a die hard wrestling fan and every time anyone criticized wrestling for being fake or dumb he would always go on defense mode about why he liked it. And he always treated it like a personal attack on him and I never understood why. I like wrestling, I know it's dumb I know it's fake and has an insanely problematic history behind the scenes but I've never once felt the need to argue with someone who doesn't like it. I don't understand being defined by the media you consume and making it a part of your identity.
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I like the second shot better than the first. 
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Aug 23, 2020 17:16
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SonicRulez posted:The Batman looks interesting. I'm not blown away, but I'm going to go see it. Seeing The Riddler on screen looks like it'll be pretty fun. You should one hundred percent see Shazam. It has some problems, but it's a really fun, sweet movie and one of the best of the dceu. I honestly only see myself rewatching Shazam and BoP, maybe sections of wonder woman since I've soured on that movie after a couple viewings
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Aug 23, 2020 17:32
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Davros1 posted:I like the second shot better than the first. Eh, the second shot is very flat, the first looks more interesting with deeper shadows and richer details. It also seems more potent, with the shallower depth of field highlighting the intimacy of the moment, but these are two separate shots communicating two different things and one seems more emotionally charged than the other. But no amount of beautiful, well composed imagery can cover for poorly crafted dramatics and storytelling though, which would be the concern (see BvS) . But here's hoping. Karloff fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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Aug 23, 2020 17:34
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Recutting it and adding a bunch of deleted scenes won’t change the fact that it’s asking me to take a villain called Steppenwulf seriously. I just can’t. Magic Carpet Ride killed that forever.
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Black crush is good cinematography.
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Davros1 posted:I like the second shot better than the first. Yea, it has colour in it.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Recutting it and adding a bunch of deleted scenes won’t change the fact that it’s asking me to take a villain called Steppenwulf seriously. I just can’t. Magic Carpet Ride killed that forever. Jack Kirby didn't do names very well.
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Aphrodite posted:Jack Kirby didn't do names very well. I was going to say it wasn’t his fault a terrible band came along and ruined the name, but I just double checked and the comics character debuted at the end of their popularity. 
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Aug 23, 2020 17:39
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Davros1 posted:I like the second shot better than the first. I kind of don’t like any Snyder shot with Amy Adams in it. His colour grading really doesn’t do her any favours, making her look wan and drawn all the time. That said, the Whedon shot is obviously something he did in ten minutes in the company break room while executives were screaming at him.
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Aug 23, 2020 17:44
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I'm positive Kirby was thinking of the Herman Hesse novel, not the band. Edit: I shouldn't say positive but it's my strong hunch.
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How Wonderful! posted:I'm positive Kirby was thinking of the Herman Hesse novel, not the band. He absolutely was, but the association for most people is going to be the band, and they’re pretty goofy. It kind of kills the menace.
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Aug 23, 2020 17:59
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The band had 2 or 3 massive hits just a couple of years earlier.
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not gonna lie that batman trailer is exactly what i expected it to be only thing exciting me about it are the absolute online blood baths that will inevitably ensue with the prospect of a WoC Batgirl/Oracle being in the DCEU
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I finally got around to seeing BOP last night and I can honestly say I should have watched it before the animated series. Movie was ok, but the humor was very hit or miss. It really did not feel like the actual BOP do anything at all until the last act, which was the best part of the movie. It does feature the single most incompetent version of the GCP ever which was actually pretty funny.
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im secretly holding out hope some dork does what needs to be done and makes an edit of that Black Adam trailer to ThatOneGodsmackSong. Out of all of the DCEU thats the one im most looking forward to, because its the Scorpion King sequel we need
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Karloff posted:Eh, the second shot is very flat, the first looks more interesting with deeper shadows and richer details. It also seems more potent, with the shallower depth of field highlighting the intimacy of the moment, but these are two separate shots communicating two different things and one seems more emotionally charged than the other. I like the second one because it's flat; it's conveying a sense of bleakness, that the world isn't rich and full, because the most important person from their lives is gone. I also like that they're not next to each, there's a space where someone should be sitting, but he isn't there anymore. I also like how Martha's wearing muted reds, and Lois is wearing blue, like they're subconsciously trying to connect with someone who's gone in any way they can.
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site posted:I was thinking maybe kraven hunts venom after whatever happens in venom 2 That's the stinger, actually. "When I get out of here there's gonna be...Kraven" Yvonmukluk posted:Actually I'd like to see a Spider-Girl movie (Mayday or Arana). Obviously Mayday wouldn't fit in the MCU, but if Sony wants to go their own way a bit... can I buy a ticket for Spiderverse 3: Renew Your Vows yet
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I probably wouldn't mind the desaturated scene as long as the entire movie doesn't look like that like mos, bvs and the first cut of JL do. I'm just tired of that look, it's ugly
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site posted:I probably wouldn't mind the desaturated scene as long as the entire movie doesn't look like that like mos, bvs and the first cut of JL do. I'm just tired of that look, it's ugly its just too smart and edgy and gritty for you. enjoy your marvel disney essjaydoubley00 crap for babbies 
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I think comparing two random screenshots from different scenes as if you can determine if one is objectively better is an incredibly absurd endeavour?
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Comparing shots isn't really absurd, especially if we are talking about what is going to be 2 different versions of the same movie. The comparisons are inevitable. I don't think those two shots are really worth comparing though. A better comparison is something like this imo:  The Whedon version doesn't even look like it's from a movie, more like a picture someone took before they actually started filming the scene. Or these two:   The Whedon cemetary doesn't even try to hide that they're shooting that in a studio.
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Again, though, how do you really hide that you’ve been forced to create an entirely new movie in a fraction of the time with a fraction of the resources? The fact that Justice League was only as terrible as it was is probably a minor miracle.
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Ghosthotel posted:Comparing shots isn't really absurd, especially if we are talking about what is going to be 2 different versions of the same movie. The comparisons are inevitable. I don't think those two shots are really worth comparing though. A better comparison is something like this imo: that cemetary scene never really made sense to me, considering both characters abilities NOTE: This Something Awful forums user (previously known as "The Blackest Goon") is a Person of Color who chose the current iteration of his username ironically after years of having his remaining brain cells all but fried after monitoring the rise of online reactionary ideologies for a decade. BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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Aug 23, 2020 20:35
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Phylodox posted:Again, though, how do you really hide that you’ve been forced to create an entirely new movie in a fraction of the time with a fraction of the resources? The fact that Justice League was only as terrible as it was is probably a minor miracle. The thing about whedons reshoots is that it seems like theres stuff that snyder shot that would've worked perfectly fine with whatever changes he wanted to put in there, but they decided to reshoot the scenes to make them look worse. It's extremely bizarre. Like the awful red filter coloring everything during the final battle we know is a Whedon addition. Why? Whose decision was it to do that? Who thought it looked better???
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Ghosthotel posted:The thing about whedons reshoots is that it seems like theres stuff that snyder shot that would've worked perfectly fine with whatever changes he wanted to put in there, but they decided to reshoot the scenes to make them look worse. It's extremely bizarre. Like the awful red filter coloring everything during the final battle we know is a Whedon addition. Why? Whose decision was it to do that? Who thought it looked better??? I can’t be sure, but I’d be willing to put money on it being some focus group “Red tested better!” executive mandate nonsense.
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For sure, I wouldn't be surprised if they essentially gave Whedon a list of things to put into the movie for whatever. I doubt it'll ever happen but it would be extremely interesting to get a detailed account of a lot of behind the scenes poo poo that went on especially with Ray Fisher managing to get WB to start a third party investigation into misconduct from Whedon and Geoff Johns.
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The red skies was most likely because of its connection to the crisis and Whedon is a hack who thought that would make a great addition to the film. It's the same kind of shallow reasoning why you have close ups of Diana yelling "Kal, nooo" during the fight scene, because she calls him Kal in the comics, so clearly she should do it here too! Incidentally, the reason Zack went with Hallelujah was because of its personal significance to him and his daughter
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Snyder's shots look a lot better for the most part. But the story is gonna be the same, except it'll have some expanded parts. Are the expanded parts gonna cover up how bad the story is?
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Codependent Poster posted:Snyder's shots look a lot better for the most part. By "the expanded" parts, do you mean the two whole hours? I do think it is entirely possible that the addition of twice the runtime can significantly alter the quality of the story being told, yes
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I just don't buy that Warner Brothers would hire Whedon to finish a movie that already had an impending release date coming within the year and then let him just reshoot half the movie for no reason when there was already usable footage of the same scenes. Like, why would they budget that? It's pretty obvious they gave him extensive notes on what footage needed to be reshot.
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Arist posted:I just don't buy that Warner Brothers would hire Whedon to finish a movie that already had an impending release date coming within the year and then let him just reshoot half the movie for no reason when there was already usable footage of the same scenes.
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I think it goes a long way towards explaining why it might have been such a toxic set. A bunch of people doing something they really don’t want to be doing in ways they really don’t want to be doing it but have no choice about because of executives mandating every single thing.
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FilthyImp posted:And yet that's exactly what happened. What's so hard to believe? Hm, it seems you have accidentally excluded the second half of my post where I provide an alternate explanation. Arist posted:Like, why would they budget that? It's pretty obvious they gave him extensive notes on what footage needed to be reshot. Here it is!
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There are things that are absolutely whedons own choices. The pratfall into WWs boobs and the thirsty joke are def. Him
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Arist posted:Hm, it seems you have accidentally excluded the second half of my post where I provide an alternate explanation. Which is like, yeah that happened. Sooooooo.....  If we're trying to absolve Whedon of the lovely nature of the film, there's only so much that can be thrown at the foot of the execs that had cold feet.
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FilthyImp posted:Right but your post was "why would they shelve a film they had shots of?! Why not just order reshoots and fix it!" No, my post is, "why would they let Whedon run up the budget reshooting half a film that was supposedly "done?" I'm saying the only sensible explanation for the reshoots being so extensive and replacing seemingly usable material is heavy, heavy micromanaging. I legitimately have no idea how you think I was saying "they should have done reshoots!"
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Arist posted:I'm saying the only sensible explanation for the reshoots being so extensive and replacing seemingly usable material is heavy, heavy micromanaging.
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I don't know how anyone watched Justice League and didn't immediately come to the conclusion that it was probably an ok movie turned into a bad movie by the absolute wrong director at the behest of scrambling desperate and idiodic executives. I don't think it's crazy to think that the Snyder Cut might be better (I do) it's whether it will rise to the standard of "good" that I find unlikely. It couldn't be more obvious to me that the executives realized far too late that Snyder's ideas are "bad" and tried to "fix" it with worse ideas based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes similar properties work. They then hired "the Avengers guy" to finish even though he's basically the opposite of Snyder in every way(other than that they both suck) and therefore a terrible fit. Warner Bros was in such a panic after Suicide Squad and Batman v. Superman only did good and not phenomenally which is insane to me.
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